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sliders1234
11mo ago
I’ve had similar experience of low life I felt bad for assaulting people on train. It was actually Easter I was going to airport so felt particularly bad for him. He threatened old guy as easiest target with family. The assaulter looked young so felt bad for him but I would never take away our right to defend ourselves.
For the guy who ended up contributing to low life death I’m fairly certain he’s got a job offer as Desantis personal security. (He doesn’t but if he asked I’m sure Desantis would say yes).
sliders1234
11mo ago
If you want him to win you need to start including him in every post in order to beat you know who.
sliders1234
11mo ago
With the talk of tran mma competing as women can someone give me a run down on how this ever came to pass? I would have assumed mma = not woke. And trans men would have always been banned from fighting women.
sliders1234
11mo ago
Found this AI, Fermi, Great Filter papee interesting
https://arxiv.org/pdf/2305.05653.pdf
The one thought I had on it is my fear with AI was one that had evolutionary biological goals of self preservation and replication thru growth.
The issue I see is it doesn’t solve the Fermi paradox. Shouldn’t we have seen AI in the galaxy? If AI = great filter then it seems like it would need to kill us before it developed self improvement which would lead it to look for more compute power and start settler mars.
sliders1234
11mo ago
But I think the Fermi paradox tilts some probabilities on how AI doom would occur.
Atleast with this case there’s a bit of statute of limitations issue. Shouldn’t someone at some point not have to own up to “I use to be a very bad person” - like I don’t know almost 3 decades seems enough.
Or let’s say a prominent politician use to be an escort (cough Kamela Harris; more of a mistress) and some dudes bragging about how he paid $500 to bang the first women POTUS. I think it’s reasonable she shouldn’t have to say yea I was a whore. But she’s now defamed they guy.
Also in this specific case I don’t think Trump really got a chance to testify in court. In part because he’s the most investigated guy ever and anything he misstates would be open to perjury. And also give the opposing attorney a chance for a fishing expedition on anything (like Jan 6).
Who could he have called as a witness? It’s a 30 year old case. She can’t even say what year it happened. He can’t produce some dude who could testify I was at dinner with him on the alleged incident.
IMO there is something strange with changing statute of limitation decades later even if this wasn’t completely about Trump.
Plus any potential witness they called would be liable to face non-stop legal action from the state of New York.
sliders1234
11mo ago
It’s New York. They are literally charging him already with novel legal theories. And this isn’t even the first time he’s faced novel legal theories. The first time was his associate Flynn who faced novel legal theories on a Logan Act Violation. Anything he said under oath would be liable to anything a hungry DA could come up with.
sliders1234
11mo ago
I’m not sure where talking to you I mentioned statute of limitations. But yea changing the statute of limitations after they expired is problematic (though not just applied to Trump).
“Chose not to”. Ya sure a guy who’s already had issues with improper investigations over choosing to talk (Flynn - Logan Act) should just want to have a thousand people investigate him for anything be possible said wrong for perjury.
“Fishing expeditions”
How many investigations has Trump and/or Trump associates had investigations into them?
I can summarize your entire response too. Yes us conservatives have faced a lot of bullshit so yes we have trust issues in the “process”
sliders1234
11mo ago
From Trump “she’s not my type” does seem credible. If you say the quiet part out loud that she was older than he would go for.
And embedded in this a lot of girls still expect guys to be the aggressor. I still remember the first love of my life rejecting my advances as I dropped her off at her place and saying no a dozen times. And then sending me a text 10 minutes later asking why I didn’t sleep with her. Which isn’t completely related but does apply to a lot of trump comments.
Trump does seem like someone who’s a believer in the alpha male stereotype where he should be the aggressor and no doubt a lot of women have rewarded him for that. So he very well may have been intimate with the accuser. Something completely not explored (because of it’s 30 years ago) she may have been into his assertiveness. But now that he’s a white supremacist, racists, anti-trans politician it’s rape.
sliders1234
11mo ago
I think most victims would be fine with money. For non-murder things.
But society not as much.
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11mo ago
The simple answer is a higher standard of proof for a 198x rape claim than 51%. And perhaps a civil suit testimony can’t be used for a criminal perjury charge. Perhaps Trump is a special case but he’s been investigated for 6 years even before he was POTUS. Testifying under oath does represent a huge risks to him.
The far left and the right basically agree at this point that the law is made up at this point. It’s just human interpretations of what words mean which can be manipulated into anything.
For something not culturally war. What about student athletes. One day they were limited. Next day popular opinion changed. No laws were passed.
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11mo ago
It just struck me. We haven’t had a pure meta thread. What is at the core of the breakdown in America between two sides. Is it just social media boosting of traditional sports team enthusiasm in sports? And at its core team left and team right get along in person but in online like fighting each other for entertainment? Team left likes standing up a fentanyl addicted criminal as a martyr or a male swimmer in female sports to accuse those who will take the other side as racists Hitler types? And team right likes to own them. Or is there some marxists conspiracy or Christian white behind all this?
I’ll take the view that traditional status symbols still dominate day to day life. I’ll take the view that liberal rich trust fund kid is still going to date the hot brunette from Vassar. And the liberal girl will still marry the frat boy whose parents are real estate developers.
Sure I’m setting up a lot of motte and Bailey’s. Is this just a game among elites and then followed on by keyboard warriors on social media.
I think he might be guilty of going too far. I expect a hung jury because these cases haven’t been working in NYC.
I think the bigger question is what should we be doing with people like Neely? He’s obviously a net negative utilitarian value on society harassing people all day with a potential to have a bad moment and throw someone in front of a train.
Just locking him in a cell seems a little mean and drastically increases his suffering. My solution sounds a little like slavery where we put people on a farm with supervision. He gets to do a little work like taking off vegetables etc. But is removed from society.
sliders1234
11mo ago
The Tea Party just always felt like traditional GOP politics to me. And on Trump I think the gop understands why the left hates him and a lot of his appeal is making them lose their mind. A lot of the time it feels to me the left promotes Trump too and gets him into the news. If we were a serious people we wouldn’t play this game. The fact we aren’t a serious people makes me think most people are comfortable and the issues aren’t real economics. If the right wanted to get shit done I think it’s beyond obvious Desantis is a better a choice. If they want to drive libs crazy Trump is the better choice.
It also seems to me a lot of left elites seem disconnect from the real world. A solution to homelessness isn’t fentanyl tent cities but police enforcement and building more housing. They wouldn’t debate what a “women” is or have trans as their main issue. They would be nicer to black people but deep down have official policies with some understanding that a lot of race differences are genetic.
The left with more people in digital industries seems more disconnected than the red tribe with more people in the real world. But compared to your historical example it just feels to me a lot of todays fight is non-serious people on both sides Larping.
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11mo ago
I follow Razib Khan on twitter who mostly writes about where different ethnicities came from.Which I do find fascinating.Anyway he has a long post on Ashkenzi Jews - who have had a huge impact on 20th century history - but were a footnote before.And thinking about it I don’t know another “people” who never had their own land in history with an army protecting it and all that. As far as culture war goes I feel like Jewish history fits but I’ve never discussed it or read much more than Nazis kills a bunch of them.Here’s the post:
How and when did the Ashkenazim come to be?
Sometime after the year 1000 AD, a group of Jews began migrating eastward across Europe, into the principalities of Germany and the kingdom of Poland, attracted by the combination of religious tolerance and economic opportunity. These territories were beyond the frontiers of the Roman Empire; they were lands that Jews had traditionally not occupied. By the time these pioneers arrived in the small towns of Germany and the hamlets of Poland, Jewish communities had already been established in Persia and Egypt for 1,500 years.
For the next 800 years, these Jews waxed in numbers due to their essential economic position in the developing lands of Eastern Europe, but unlike the Hebrews of antiquity, they became culturally invisible to their gentile neighbors, quietly navigating a closed social universe organized around adherence to their own laws and focused on their own texts. Their ultimate origins were a mystery to the gentiles around them, and indeed became forgotten even to themselves. Were they the descendants of the ancient Hebrews, converts to the religion, or a mix of both? These possibilities were hidden from the Jews of Eastern Europe as their memory of their past faded and their written culture focused purely on matters of religion.
This curiosity is worth pausing over. Ashkenazi Jewish luminaries have recorded such outsized contributions to every aspect of human output in culture and knowledge over the past two centuries, it’s natural to assume that the familiar intellectual restlessness and insatiable curiosity of the community’s standouts have deep cultural roots. But if the textual record is anything to go by, nothing could be further from the truth. Hunting for attested evidence of Ashkenazi Jewish passage from antiquity to the 19th century is like trying to catch a glimpse of a secretive nocturnal creature. Not only did Jews receive unhelpfully scant coverage from gentile chroniclers, but the community itself also appears to have trained its considerable literacy and intellectual power solely on matters Talmudic, to the complete exclusion of any historical records of the various communities.
And yet, it was these people that flourished in the unknown and wild lands of Eastern Europe who would go on to beget 80% of the modern Jewish diaspora, and join the mainstream of Western civilization after 1800. These are the more than ten million Ashkenazim, whose members have left indelible marks on world history and culture so far out of proportion to their numbers, from Karl Marx to Albert Einstein, since their reintegration into the stream of Western civilization after the Enlightenment.
In the Bible, Ashkenaz is one of the descendants of Noah, and Jewish scholars associated his scions with various points north, initially Scythia, but eventually Germany. So the Ashkenazim were the Jews of Ashkenaz, of Germany and parts east, and their native language, Yiddish, was a dialect of German. The Jews of Spain and Portugal, the Sephardim, loomed large during the medieval period between 1000 and 1500 AD, producing the great rabbi Moses Maimonides and polymath Judah Halevi, and persisting in prominence into early modernity, with philosophers like Baruch de Spinoza. It was only in the 19th and 20th centuries that the history of Jewish prominence and cultural achievement became so disproportionately the story of the Ashkenazim, who were 92% of the world’s Jews in 1930, and have shared in fully 20% of all Nobel Prizes awarded.
And yet, though the Jews are a people whose history is extensively documented, from the Bible to Josephus’ Roman-era The Jewish Wars, the origins of the Ashkenazim remain a bit of an enigma. In 1096 AD, Christian crusaders infamously massacred Jews in the German Rhineland as warm-up for the slaughter they would inflict upon people in the Middle East, and the German-speaking lands saw widespread pogroms in the mid-14th century, at the height of the Black Death. But in comparison to their ubiquity in the 19th century, the Ashkenazim are mentioned only glancingly in the histories of this earlier period. They came to be notable only with their demographic ascendence in the massive dominion of Poland-Lithuania, as the Middle Ages gave way to the Renaissance 500 years ago. Not to mention in their later cultural explosion in the modern world.
Given Ashkenazi Jews’ newfound prominence and mysterious origins, in the late 19th century, European intellectuals began to explore the “Khazar hypothesis” for the origin of the Ashkenazim: the strange idea that Eastern European Jews descended from an ancient Turkic steppe confederacy destroyed by Kievan Rus 1,000 years ago. The Khazars are notable because much of their elite reputedly converted to Judaism while other groups were adopting Christianity or Islam. The Khazar hypothesis’ argument was that the Ashkenazim descended from the scattering of Khazar Jews westward into Europe. It is only with genetics in the 21st century that this theory has been able to be tested, and ultimately found wanting. The Ashkenazim are the synthesis of ancient Levantine Jews and various Mediterranean European populations with whom the former mixed. Their origins date back to the fall of Rome, not the fall of Khazaria.
In the intersection
To understand when and where the Ashkenazim come from, it is important to understand what they were before they became the distinctive people we know from history and fiction. The ancient King David was a simple shepherd, while the Babylonian Talmud outlines how farmers must maintain adherence to the laws of the Torah despite the agricultural season’s cycles. 2,000 years ago, the Jews were both pedestrian and unique. Pedestrian in that they were a nation of farmers and shepherds, as extensively documented in the Bible. Yes, large communities of urban Jews flourished in Alexandria, Rome and other large cities, but on balance, the Jews were not particularly urban. Like the Jews, Greeks outside of their homeland tended to be urban as well, but the average Greek was still a farmer or a shepherd, as were the vast majority of humans in the ancient world (not to mention, incidentally in the world as a whole until the 20th century). The ancient Jews were tillers of the soil and drivers of flocks, like all their contemporaries.
Where the Jews were unique was their strict adherence to a set of laws handed down to them by a god whom they held to be the one true god above all others. The Jews were zealous in their religious particularity, a reality which led to a war of liberation against the Greeks in 167 BC, where they rebelled against the imposition of pagan syncretism by raising an altar to Zeus in the Jewish Temple. Today we know of this war mostly through its commemoration at Hanukkah. Once Rome rose and conquered the Eastern Mediterranean, the Jews rebelled twice against the Roman imperium, once in the first century AD and once in the second. Again, the cause of their rebellion was the fact that they chafed at the rule of the religiously tolerant but unabashedly polytheistic Romans. The first rebellion was triggered by riots that erupted in 66 AD when pagan Greeks provocatively sacrificed birds in front of a synagogue, an act of sacrilege in Jewish eyes meant to inflame tensions in Jerusalem. The first rebellion ended a period when Jews were prominent in Roman elite circles, particularly due to the Judaean client king Herod Agrippa’s friendship with the Roman Emperor Caligula. From then on, Jews were tolerated, but seen to be different: a people apart.
The Jewish farmers and warriors who characterized the nation in the first centuries of the Common Era would eventually fade from living history, recalled only as legends in scripture and oral tradition. By the time European Jews became more than marginal curiosities in early modernity, pure subsistence agriculture and a martial ethos had become wholly alien to the Jewish mode of existence for the urban and small-town Ashkenazim. The Zionist movement made explicit efforts to synthetically re-install the ethos in the new settlers of Palestine. Zionism emerged from socialism and 19th-century nationalism and imagined a robust patriotic citizenry working the land on collective farms, the kibbutzim, at the ready to rise as a nation and take up arms against enemies near and far. Set against this future ideal was the contemporary bourgeois life that was aspiration and reality for many of the European Ashkenazim, who had already made the comfortable transition to material security in the wake of the piecemeal Jewish emancipation that swept the continent over the course of the 19th century.
But these assimilated Ashkenazim still came from an earlier regime, where Jews were set apart from the nations among whom they dwelt. Whereas their biblical ancestors had been farmers, pastoralists and warriors, the Ashkenazim known from later medieval and early modern history occupy professions avoided by Christians. The more modest members of the community were peddlers and artisans serving rural villages, while the Jewish elite were money-lenders and tax-farmers, intermediaries between the aristocracy that ruled much of Europe and the peasants whom they exploited. The enmity toward the Ashkenazim pervasive across much of Europe in the early modern period derived from this experience, as the dirty work of wringing tax
Guess he wrote too many words was trying to copy it all. Here’s the link
https://razib.substack.com/p/ashkenazi-jewish-genetics-a-match
And twitter
https://twitter.com/razibkhan/status/1656952555639848962?s=46&t=aQ6ajj220jubjU7-o3SuWQ
I assume this community has above average members of this tribe. I don’t think Jewish history has been much discussed so other sources would be interesting. I feel like I’ve studied every civ at some point. It seems like an understudied area since all of us have been fighting ideological wars that Jews created with weapons Jews created and now debating AI doom from a Jew quite interesting from such a small subset of humanity with no land (Einstein, Marx, Keynes, Friedman, Yud) and even before this century fighting religious wars over a religion (Jesus).
sliders1234
11mo ago
Kind of want to see where this goes before commenting more. But Marxism and the initial basis for monetary policy fiscal spending (Keynes) was pre ww2. And pre-20th century Jesus and the whole Christianity thing. And I’m probably missing a bunch.
sliders1234
11mo ago
You are right on that. Wander why I thought that. Only thing I guess is so many top economists are.
They punch so far above their weight we should almost declare procreate with a Jew day a national holiday.
If I want to put a tinfoil conspiracy hat on and an alien civ was guiding our development they would 100% be a Jew. Even AI is Sam Altman and Yud. Who interesting enough both skipped college.
Was hoping someone would throw in some more history so I guess I just have to assume this story they were just sort of chilling in Eastern Europe is true.
I’m curious if Civilization (the video game) create a Jewish civ what would their special abilities be.
So there really is almost no Jewish history from roughly Romans to 1800? That was one thing I posted for. Like they rebelled against Roman’s some. Invented Christianity. Then sort of chilled for 1800 years. Made Hitler hate them. Then invented a ton of stuff in the 20th century.
Like that’s kind of a simpleton 30 second elevator speech but if I explained Jews to someone who knows nothing is that largely correct?
sliders1234
11mo ago
I don’t check the math in these things. It just seems like there too many unknown unknowns for any number to mean much.
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11mo ago
I remember reading a long time ago that as a democratically supported populist Erdogen always faced push back for bureaucracy and basically the PMC. Any time he tried to keep them in line and enforce his Democratic backing he came off authoritarian. And this is the way of all populists who always end up fighting the PMC and that fight always comes off unnatural. Same as Trump being investigated even before being elected by the fbi. The constant bureaucratic roadblocks makes a guy look authoritarian while they appear organic. Also same with Desantis attacks on DEI in universities - top down but Democratic control over organic PMC action.
Therefore, I support Erdogen. Not even 100% sure why but he feels like a natural ally. It feels like Trump versus Biden and I’m not voting for Biden. Also when the west does need something it seems like Erdogen always falls in line and helps.
I guess this is a fun thread. Has Becky Quick slept with Warren Buffet? Watching the meeting on cnbc. I feel like every market guy has at one point wondered about that, a friend said many times.
Other interesting thing watching it is it’s very interesting how lucid those guys are in the 90’s. I hope all of you get that same gift.
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