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Video game thread!
I'm having fun playing Baldur's Gate 3 with a few mods. WASD movement, camera tweaks (so you can actually see the beautiful environments), the somewhat chud-like Realms Restored 2.0 to de-woke the game world, and I'm switching between the amusing Philomena Cunk as my AI generated narrator voice and the cooler and more serious Christopher Lee. :D
I'm about 7-8 hours deep in the game on normal difficulty; currently making a conscious effort to reduce my savescumming to a minimum. My character is a custom Dark Urge Sorcerer. Which is fun.He apparently just brutally murdered a bard girl from the grove, who showed up in camp, while he was sleep walking. Hmm. I didn't seem to have an option to avoid this outcome. Then "my butler" showed up and gave me a reward of sorts. It will be interesting to see where this Dark Urge story goes, even though I'm not really prepared to be an evil butcher.
I've just respecced Shadowheart to a less crappy build and so far I'm running the party with her, the ever ruthless cunny Lae'Zel, and Gale.
I made sure to uncoverKagha's conspiracy to deliver the Grove to the shadow druids, before I even considered going towards the goblin camp etc. I've confronted her and killed her. Some people don't like that, others really do. because I played most of Act 1 a couple years back and got locked out of the quest back then.
Any recommendation for good Co-op games I should play together with my wife? We just got Core Keeper and Heroes of Hammerwatch 2 since they were on sale, and so far they're fun but not quite up to the standards that I prefer.
For context, we like strategy games, goofy games, and games with lots of progression and/or unlocks. We usually play on Steam, but have a Nintendo Switch. Also notably she sometimes gets nauseous from fast-paced camera movements, so something like first person shooters or over the shoulder 3D platformers where you're flicking the camera around are not likely to work, though something slower like Skyrim is fine. Top down perspective is preferred.
Our number one game together is Gloomhaven, in which we have 300 hours, having played through the entire campaign and then a few years later starting up a new campaign because we wanted to play more. The sequel Frosthaven is in Early Access and we're waiting for a full release before definitely getting that.
Other notable successes include Divinity Original Sin (1 and 2), Don't Starve Together, Overcooked, Plate Up, Archvale. Anything involving collecting/stealing and selling loot is a bonus.
I'd recommend giving Heroes of Might and Magci 3 a try. It ticks the co-op and strategy boxes, and if you like it, there's a decent modern sequel shaping up.
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Stardew Valley is a really great co op game. Lots of collecting. Endless dungeon running. It will probably feel a little easy.
Return to Moria is a survival crafting game that seems like it would be way more fun in co-op. It is heavily focused on mining and looting for gear upgrades. Movement speed is pretty slow compared to other survival games.
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Valheim? Might be too fast
The newer Diablo's have couch coop which suprised me. Even more surprising, it's implemented pretty well
I was going to recommend Valheim because it can be super slow. Building is an intricate and careful process.
I meant for the moment leading to nausea, lots of running and jumping
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Is a platformer, but Ultimate Chicken Horse is pretty fun (though far better with more like 3-4 players) where you place blocks and traps and gadgets and then run to the goal simultaneously, so if someone is winning via a certain route or too easily, you plop down a buzzsaw or something in their way.
Had some great fun with Out of Space, where you have to slowly work your way through your spaceship and "clean" the rooms and enemies to death. But you really need to do some coordination, as leaving places unclean for too long will develop little tumors that eventually turn into new alien enemies. And some later ones need to be defeated via certain means: a broom, or a mop, or water, etc. You slowly can install new stuff in your rooms that helps you as you progress through, and sometimes you lose a room back to attrition but it's usually still fine.
Vampire Survivors is an easy classic, and doesn't even require anything more than a movement stick (or WASD), but manages to be plenty fun even so.
If you have separate machines, honestly Assassin's Creed Unity turned out pretty fun if that's your kind of thing, though that's more gameplay than straight co-op.
Untitled Goose Game is an absolute gem and very funny to play with two.
Personally, I kind of like Heave Ho. You are this kind of simple two-armed dude with sticky hands, and you often need to swing along with your partner, coordinated, to jump certain gaps or "climb" around and underneath obstacles to get to the goal. Easy to screw up and funny when doing so (for most).
Hat in Time is a cute N64-like platformer with co-op, without the crazy kind of platforming, though I can't remember how crazy the camera is.
Also, honestly there are some great board games out there - BoardGameArena has quite a few, including for free (though a cheap subscription makes it easier), that you might find interesting. A lot easier when there's no setup and the stuff is all calculated for you/it's impossible to accidentally break the rules, so that can make many board games way more accessible. My parents play it all the time with each other.
A lot of people like Magicka (and sequel), but I never really got into it. Stardew Valley works pretty well on a technical level, but to me loses some of its charm especially w/r/t tasks around town.
Rubber Bandits finally is a fun cartoony one where your 3d/2d type guys try to rob various vaults.
Sorry I guess these aren't so much strategy-like games, but the above are ones that were big hits with my more casual-gaming roommates. If you're into the vibe, Stellaris can be kind of fun as a co-op game.
(And of course recently there is It Takes Two and Split Fiction - plus, if you never tried Portal 2's co-op, that's a MUST)
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Monaco: What's Yours Is Mine is a co-op game about top-down view heists.
Does it play well with 2 people?
Also, would you recommend starting with Monaco 1, or 2?
I've only played the first game and did it solo, so I can't make specific endorsements of the 2-player mode.
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Good call, I second that recommendation. It's a fantastic game to play with friends.
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Well you're replying to a post about BG3 so I assume you're aware of that game.
Wasteland 3 is very good too.
It Takes Two may be too fast paced, but it's a good co-op experience.
Wasteland 3 was good, and so close to great. I still remember when Down In The Valley To Pray and Blood of the Lamb kick in. Unfortunately, I DNFd it because of questionable level scaling with the enemies becoming way too tanky to retain my immersion.
The soundtrack had some great songs!
I don't remember the enemies becoming particularly tanky. Maybe your builds sucked. :P
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Among video games, Crusader Kings 2 and 3, Europa Universalis 5, and Victoria 3 can be played cooperatively.
Among board games, Bios: Origins (play first as a subspecies of humanity, then as a language, then as a religion, and finally as an ideology, from 4 million BCE to the present) and High Frontier (play as a spacefaring country) can be played cooperatively.
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There's Overcooked 2 if you enjoyed playing the first one. Maybe try Magicka? The game is a lot of fun in coop due to the chaos that can ensue when two players cast spells that interact badly (or sometimes well) in the moment.
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