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Yeah, the claim that generally speaking, blacks behave in an irresponsible and anti-social manner compared to members of other groups is very obvious and very well supported.
In my view, the inflammatory claim is the opposite. People who claim that blacks behave more or less the same as every other group are the ones who should be proactively providing evidence. Because, in effect, they are claiming that people who observe and comment on black dysfunction (and its intractability) are either delusional or are liars.
Obviously a society where (1) guns are freely available to adults; and (2) there are a lot of black people, is a society where there will be a lot of shootings.
It most certainly is not. If you want to make that claim, you best bring receipts if you want people to take it seriously (or if you want the mods to not ding you for making inflammatory claims without evidence).
Just so we are clear, are you highly skeptical of the following claims:
(1) In the United States, black people commit crime at rates which are significantly disproportionate;
(2) In the United States, black people become parents out-of-wedlock at rates which are significantly disproportionate;
(3) In the United States, black people save money and accumulate wealth at rates which are significantly under-proportionate;
Here on this forum it is often stated outright or implied that those problems are strongly intractable, i.e. that there is no sociocultural intervention (cutting race-based leniency, welfare reforms, penitentiary reforms, less glorification of crime in pop media, etc.) that would, if not completely erase the gap between racial groups, at least make them decent enough neighbors. I do not find that immediately obvious or well supported.
"we can't fix this at all"
vs
"everything we've tried to fix this has failed"
vs
"actually, we have a way to fix this, but solutions are being blocked by specific actors for specific reasons".
The difference between these three positions really matters.
All three are true. Everything we've tried has failed, and while we have ideas that may work, they are blocked for reasons.
Right now, the intelligentsia of both sides have decided the answer is gun control, but that is unlikely to work either for many reasons.
It depends on your understanding of the problem, I think.
If the problem is "blacks are statistically distinguishable from whites at a population level due to worse outcomes", probably.
On the other hand, the Mississippi Miracle and similar data points indicate that we do know how to secure significantly better outcomes for black people in a variety of ways, and my tribe at least is actively being prevented from fixing the problem.
Bukele in El Salvador is another example of the difference between the three. El Salvador's murder rate was absolutely intractable, right up until the moment it was promptly tracted. One of my strongest objections to the general thread of HBD discourse is the pretense that nothing can be done, when in fact it is highly probable that we could significantly reduce many of these gaps and then reassess. Maybe if we can't completely erase the gap, all the problems will persist... alternatively, maybe they won't be as bad, and maybe significant improvements in one area will lead to better outcomes being possible in other areas.
I’m a big HBD guy but that’s exactly why I’m also a big supporter of Bukele; there’s solutions at scale to the consequences of successive generations of very poor sexual selection effects if you have the balla to actually do something.
One aspect of American society re: blacks reinforces this. My understanding is that the difference between black and white on a whole range of indicators of social health was actually closing before the civil rights era. Things like marriage rates, owning businesses, children out of wedlock, educational achievement, etc.
Then we adopted what might have been one of the most destructive political regimes in America’s history in the late 50s / early 60s and basically just threw a nuclear bomb on the thing every year for the last seventy years.
I think it's fair to say at this point that black beta males have practically gone extinct in the US.
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