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Quality Contributions to the Motte
Contributions for the week of January 30, 2023
Rowliphobia
Identity Politics
Contributions for the week of February 6, 2023
Who Teaches the Teachers?
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Maybe I’m just primed by the shitshow in this week’s thread, but I find the Motte’s taste in sexual politics abysmal. It’s like a license to throw epistemic hygiene to the wind.
Gender politics, on the other hand, go pretty well. @ThisIsSin has really given me a lot to think about; I’m surprised I missed that the first time around.
I actually agree. I am rather amused (and slightly embarassed) that it is my anti-feminist rants I collect AAQCs for.
Probably because it hits too close to home.
But then again, the reason this does feel slightly discomforting is because we are primed to be especially sensitive towards discussions that might be insulting to women.
I know that pain. (And whoever nominated the JKR one: did you care about the
«moneylender bad» aspect, versus the «Rowling's Wizarding world inherently runs on a magical equivalent of racial biodeterminism, which makes the anti-Rowling faction not-reasonably suspect her of thoughtcrimes relevant to the real world» argument I was making?)
Having one make it in in the last minute is weird too.
Because that's not the rationale behind it all. Let me go full-on bitch here; the latest yowling about Rowling was the whole "if you buy this game, if you play this game, if you even review this game, you YES YOU PERSONALLY are contributing money to the literal trans genocide where she literally wants to build torture conversion camps!!!!"
Since that went over like a lead balloon with anyone even semi-normal because it was too fucking batshit insane, they then shifted gears to "how can you be unaware of the RACISM? ANTI-SEMITISM? Oh yeah and we might sometimes mention the slavery angle" campaign, hence unintentional gems of hilarity like the ANTI-SEMITIC CHEESE.
The problem is, there are enough boot-lickers out there who are firmly planting their cowardly backsides on the bandwagon and are all "I continue to sternly refuse to sit upon the curate's knee!" about the game, to the extent of "this is my website and I'm going to delete any comments that say 'hey maybe she's not a trans genocider?', so beware" knuckling under.
I haven't played the game, I'm not going to play the game, and I'm grimly amused that the kind of people wetting themselves with joy back in the day over Dumbledore gay, Hermione black are now 'away with the trans genocider!' because this is the new cause to signal about, and people like Rowling didn't get the memo and get with the plan. If they honestly had principles about biodeterminism etc. I could respect that. They have no principles that don't fade away like the morning dew to be replaced by a new set, if that is what the baying mob determines.
I think you make a common mistake I see a lot here, the unstated assumption that woke activists are "getting memos,"shifting gears" - i.e., your typical conspiratorial thinking that assumes a hierarchy with someone planning and orchestrating things.
While I am sure there are people who actually sit down and consciously plot out how to "get" Rowling and other enemies, in the "that didn't work, let's try something else" model you are describing, I think for the most part it's all just free-floating outrage and what sticks is repeated, what doesn't gets forgotten.
The Hogwarts Legacy game is not the first time Rowling has been accused of using goblins as anti-Semitic allegories. Rowling had haters even before she came out as a "TERF." SJWs were on her case way back before the series even ended for her various infelicities regarding gender roles, racial archetypes, neoliberalism, Cho Changing, etc. And don't get me started on the Snape fangirls (or why I know more than any middle-aged man should about Snape fangirls) who think Rowling done their sweet prince wrong and also that he was a victim of sexual assault. And the whole "untrustworthy, greedy little bankers who live in their own clannish society hmm who does this remind you of?" definitely came up back then, a lot.
I don't think the anti-Rowling protesters have enough organization or savvy to do A/B testing to determine which accusations work best. (Indeed, I have seen trans activists complaining "no one cares about trans genocide, people only got upset when it became about Jews.") I think they just throw whatever they've got.
What might help us here is an earnest look at powerology (lol*). Particularly, this Yarvin piece:
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*I swear, one of these days we're gonna meme ourselves into vindicating JB.
StopHateForProfit was only spontaneous in Yarvinverse. There's a lot of posts about it back on the sub.
We can argue about the meaning of the word spontaneous, but these are essentially culture war mercenary companies that exist because there is money and prestige to be made. Yarvin's supply-and-demand model is much more parsimonious than the alternatives presuming some kind of conspiracy.
Supply-and-demand is nice but the observation of hierarchical organizations that can create and channel demand should temper our expectations for its predictive power. The word «mercenary» is ambiguous too: mercenary attitude is just opportunism, but mercenaries have clients, don't they? There are many mercenary characters in Wagner; do you suppose those convicts would have had a particular effect on the war without Putin's bidding and Prigozhin's command? And likewise, there was a de facto client in the actual, concrete case of journalists and advertisers bullying Facebook. Yarvin says shit like:
Okay. but what I've quoted back then shows that specifics of the Hate-for-Profit routine is hard to understand with the no-center axiom::
This is literally a racket with clear finite conditions and demands, coordinated by a high-profile activist group, with a specific man, called Jonathan Greenblatt, calling the shots, as they say. They have invested a lot of effort into making it appear as some decentralized grassroots movement they have merely volunteered to champion and which would would have meaningfully existed regardless, but this is just a practical expression of what Yarvin talks about here:
Power is indeed decentralized and cognitively compartmentalized in many interesting and important ways. But if we allow speculations on Yarvin's level, it is perfectly parsimonious to not stop here and say he's also a facet of the purported Cathedral: by equivocating and talking in the abstract about concrete clashes, distorting their timelines and incentives, peddling warped axioms and very articulately persuading potential enemies of the power to not look at its crucial high-agency nodes, he maintains his good standing with other... elves.
But I'm no hobbit. I hail from Mordor.
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