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Culture War Roundup for the week of March 6, 2023

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You wouldn't be referencing the Enoch Burke case, would you? And seeing how many people swallow the story about the Eucharistic Congress (true even that happened) without reading through to the end about castrating boys?

And then doing a gotcha about how they're willing to believe it about the bad old Catholic Church but they don't see the problem with the new orthodoxy around trans rights?

Because that would be naughty (and while I'm generally sympathetic to the view Burke holds about sex and gender, I also think he is bringing a lot of the trouble on his own head by his actions).

Yeah, and remember the bad times of the 1900s, when people were thrown in jail for ... their uncommon sexual preferences ... or not conforming to mainstream gender roles. And remember the satanic panic? When parents were obsessed with the - entirely fabricated - concept of anti-christian satanists grooming their children in schools? What an ugly and irrational age, and we are lucky to be rid of it.

... that's a bad post, as is yours. they're just not good analogies! forcing people to become the opposite gender or not be gay is very different from 'giving the option' to be trans. And people have been 'cancelled' for dissent for ... most of history. Progressives still respect free speech in a positive sense more than ancient christians did. You can't be exiled from the united states for saying anything! You can't be executed for pissing off people with power!

This post is terrible for the very obvious reason that you are not speaking plainly or in good faith, and that runs contrary to the ethos of this sub. People (including mods) do not want to have to parse an allegorical post to figure out what you're really talking about, which is why we have the rule requiring you to make your point reasonably clear and plain.

What an ugly and irrational age, and we are lucky to be rid of it.

Right, you're talking about trans ideology. Make your point reasonably clear and plain. If you want to compare one thing to another, that's fine, but state outright what comparison you are making and then be prepared to defend it.

This kind of obnoxious attempt to see how many gotchas you can score gets you a two-day ban, to discourage others from pulling this.

It seems like we have been getting a lot of low quality top level post lately

I normally jump on posts that start with "it seems," but...yeah. Yeah it does.

Fingers crossed that it's just a week or two and things settle down a bit.

Who are you trying to fool with this bait and switch? Most people on here are already skeptical of trans ideology.

What is the hysteria of the Eucharistic Congress? By extreme belief do you mean the belief in the real presence of Jesus in the Eucharist, since that is Catholic doctrine, before and after 1930.

Is your post on the religious discrimination in a country where a conflated religion/ethnicity were politically disenfranchised for centuries?

On your second point do you have any sources on this not so well known Irish phenomenon?

For the Magdalene Laundries in regards to the Catholic Church I see it as similar to the case of the Canadian Indian schools. This more reflects the views of the wider society I don't think this can be pinned on Catholicism since a secular attempt at the 'problems' in the same milieu with the same resources would have likely reached a the same outcome. Other Catholic countries like Italy and Portugal didn't treat unwed mothers the same way. Society saw this 'problem' of unwed mothers or in Canada's case integrating native children into a settler society, and delegated it to the social workers of the day, underpaid religious communities of members often taking vows of poverty.

Is this a reference to current events that are being referred to as 30’s Ireland for some reason?

Would you care to provide any evidence for your just-so story?

I suspect given the lack of identifying details for this case provided, nor any results showing up for an alleged 1930s incident in Mayo, that you made the whole thing up, and/or filed the serial numbers off a current court case involving trans people and changed the names, entities, location and context in an attempt to create "gotcha" bait.

This one presumably:

https://www.irishpost.com/news/irish-teacher-sacked-amidst-transgender-controversy-turns-up-at-school-for-third-day-246323

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/15/irish-teacher-jailed-contempt-of-court-after-refusing-student-pronouns

and/or filed the serial numbers off a current court case involving trans people and changed the names, entities, location and context in an attempt to create "gotcha" bait

It sounds like a reference to the recently controversial Enoch Burke, a Protestant teacher whose objection to the use of 'they' pronouns for a student spiralled into him being suspended from his job on accusations of harassing the principle for an answer, his banning from the school grounds by a court while the suspension was being appealed, his jailing for 3 months for contempt of court when he repeatedly showed up at the school despite the ban, and lately his family members getting forcefully ejected from a court after he finally lost his appeal against the ban.

we are lucky to be rid of it.

We're rid of it?

I think that was sarcasm. The entire post appears to be drawing a sly comparison between the current progressive hegemony and irrational and tyrannical religious practices in the past, without explicitly drawing the connection.

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