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Culture War Roundup for the week of November 6, 2023

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Why would the Palestinians agree to less than half of their land? As for Gaza they are under a blockade and can't export goods. They have the right to strike back as long as Israel is conducting acts of war against them.

Why would the Palestinians agree to less than half of their land?

Because they have lost repeated wars over ownership of the land, and the consequence of losing is not getting what you want. I.e., the same reason why Silesia, Pomerania, and Prussia are no longer parts of Germany, why the western coast of Anatolia and Constantinople are not Greek, and why California is no longer part of Mexico.

Because they have lost repeated wars over ownership of the land

This is just pure racism. The Palestinians didn't fight those wars, countries like Egypt did.

What else but armed insurrection (i.e. war as waged by the stateless) do you call the 1st and 2nd Intifada?

Both Intifada's were long after the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians that happened during the Arab–Israeli Wars. You can't retroactively justify ethnic cleansing by arguing that revolt against that cleansing and the subsequent oppression, justified the ethnic cleansing and oppression.

I've never heard anyone argue that a person who fights back after getting sucker punched, retroactively deserved that sucker punch because they fought back. So I have a hard time believing that your argument reflects a principle you hold in general.

Because that's the best they are going to get.

Gaza is under blockade because they elected a regime that ran on the platform of eradicating Jews and Israel.

If they didn't fight back they would have been pushed out of Palestine a long time ago. There are still millions of Palestinians in Palestine because they fight back and defend themselves.

How would they have been pushed out if they had a sovereign state? Remaining a quasi territory of Israel is much worse if your goal is to keep your territory.

Again, Israel withdrew from Gaza over a decade ago and they insist on attacking the Israeli civilian population. Pushing gazans out of gaza was totally off the table until the Hamas self defense operation last month.

How would they have been pushed out if they had a sovereign state?

Sovereignty was never on the table, the Israeli "offer" has always been contingent on demands of demilitarization along with various Israeli control of borders and airspace.

Gaza is under a blockade which is an act of war. If Israel is blockading Gaza than the people of Gaza have every right to use military force against Israel.

what about the Rafah crossing with Egypt? its not like israel surrounds Gaza

Gaza attacked Israel, which is an act of war, and an aggressive war at that. The people of Gaza don't have any right to use military force in an aggressive war just because the enemy is now on their land.

Israel was blockading gaza which is an act of war. Israel has murdered hundreds of Palestinians before October this year making Israel a legitimate target in a war.

If Israel is blockading Gaza than the people of Gaza have every right to use military force against Israel.

Possibly. It doesn't give them the right to indiscriminately commit terroristic acts against the civilian population, which is the path they chose.

They made a legitimate military attack against the force surrounding them. A bunch of drugged communists had decided to hang around the front line and got roughly the same result as if they were dancing around in Bakhmut.

Yes that music festival they spent hours chasing around civilians to shoot down was a legit military target. Same with the houses where they went to door to door kidnapping and shooting civilians. And those women and children they took as hostages. And we all know Islamists have never targeted white civilians in the West, even in places like Sweden where they have nothing to do with anything going on there. They are good boys who would never do anything like that.

Come on dude, your argument was good without the strawman.

And yet, strangely, Hamas has not attacked Egypt, which also blockades Gaza. One might infer that the blockade is a rationalization for the attack, rather than an actual cause thereof.

You again forget that the blockade started after Gazans elected a regime with the express goal of eradicating Jews and Israel. That is also an act of war and Israel has every right to prevent that regime from importing weapons and materiel.

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