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TitaniumButterfly
3m ago
Did I argue otherwise?
aceventura
5m ago
Hygiene
Europeans don't exactly have a good reputation around the world when it comes to hygiene.
aceventura
9m ago
So, again, let's start with the heart of the issue: why does the concept of white solidarity make you uncomfortable?
Obviously can't speak for OP, but for me it's the way that the Online Right talks about non-white people: really distasteful comments about Indians and "third worlders", vulgar anti-Jewish sentiments, calls to denaturalize and deport tens of millions of "browns". The overlap between these people and the "white solidarity" people is nearly 100%.
You can think it's silly because the "Online Right is small and powerless", but they certainly don't see themselves that way, and they're working towards creating a real political movement.
ControlsFreak
14m ago
How often does everyone here wash their cars? What conditions are they put through? (Garage/outside, daily driver/weekend fun, extreme conditions, salty winters...) Do you hand wash or car wash? Do you find a sense of ritual/peace in doing it, or is it a chore?
deluxev2
14m ago
I like to cold brew some black tea with a hint of citrus (usually bergamot e.g. Earl Gray) and vanilla. For caffeine free, I mostly like strong aromatics like lavender, rosemary, nettles or mint. Best in my opinion to take them individually so it isn't all muddied together.
magic9mushroom
If you're going to downvote me, and nobody's already voiced your objection, please reply and tell me
16m ago
but still is free to publicly proclaim and propagandize them.
As I noted, this is not actually how it works in most of the non-US West. Literally, where I live (Victoria, Australia), @SecureSignals' posts on theMotte (not even what he's not said but never denied; what he's explicitly said) would (AIUI; IANAL) constitute a crime and he could be jailed for it.
As a high-profile example, Björn Höcke got fined (twice) for quoting a relatively-inoffensive Nazi slogan ("Everything for Germany"). This is a matter of record.
The simple fact of the matter in a significant chunk of the world is that Nazis are persecuted for their political views. You may think, as I do, that their views are a heap of steaming shit, and you may think, as I do, that that persecution is also a heap of steaming shit, but neither of these changes the fact of the persecution occurring.
Also, obligatory Scott quote:
If you start suggesting maybe it should switch directions and move the direction opposite the one the engine is pointed, then you might have a bad time.
Try it. Mention that you think we should undo something that’s been done over the past century or two. Maybe reverse women’s right to vote. Go back to sterilizing the disabled and feeble-minded. If you really need convincing, suggest re-implementing segregation, or how about slavery? See how far freedom of speech gets you.
In America, it will get you fired from your job and ostracized by nearly everyone. Depending on how loudly you do it, people may picket your house, or throw things at you, or commit violence against you which is then excused by the judiciary because obviously they were provoked. Despite the iconic image of the dissident sent to Siberia, this is how the Soviets dealt with most of their iconoclasts too.
If you absolutely insist on imprisonment, you can always go to Europe, where there are more than enough “hate speech” laws on the book to satisfy your wishes. But a system of repression that doesn’t involve obvious state violence is little different in effect than one that does. It’s simply more efficient and harder to overthrow.
aceventura
17m ago
I expect non-Hajnali 'whites' to basically end up as an underclass, so it is what it is I guess.
Lots of the underclass whites he refers to would have had ancestors within the Hajnal line.
aceventura
20m ago
His tone is annoying, but the basic point is valid: the Online Right, insofar as I casually track its movements on Twitter, emphasizes HBD less than it used to. There's a kind of coarser, more vitriolic type of racism and anti-semitism emerging to take its place. There's also a vocal right-wing element that thinks the anti-semitism is stupid, or at least overemphasized. Each side invariably accuses the other of being feds.
Don't get me wrong, the liberals are still very annoying as well, but there's been a perceptible vibe shift among the right. It remains to be seen whether this gains any foothold IRL.
dr_analog
top 1% of underdog fetishists
21m ago
I originally got into computer programming as a teenager because I wanted to make video games, but I found windows insufferable and got distracted by Linux and a career in SRE.
I've since decided to try to go back to my roots, so to speak. This would all be a lot easier if I just used UE5, but what's the fun in that?
Primaprimaprima
...something all admit only "TRUMP", and the Trump Administration, can do.
21m ago
In this post, you condemn and criticize the concept of white solidarity. This is a sentiment that you share with almost everyone else in the Western "first" world today, except for a tiny minority of self-conscious white advocates.
Your primary motivation for writing the post was your negative sentiment towards white solidarity, rather than your positive support of an alternative political program. We can tell this by the way you framed your post: almost the entirety of it is dedicated to criticisms of the white identitarian right. If your goal was to give people positive, substantive reasons for supporting your own preferred political program, you would have instead titled your post "why I think the right should support pure meritocracy / free trade neoliberalism / race blind Nietzschean will to power / whatever terms you would use to describe your own ideology".
Why does the concept of white solidarity make you uncomfortable? It can't be a purely "formal" concern like, "I think the Online Right is wasting their time pursuing a futile and unhelpful set of policies; they could instead be devoting their time and resources to my cause instead". The Online Right is small and powerless; you can't be that eager to enlist their help. Whatever your preferred political program is would probably find itself right at home in the agenda of Ramaswamy, or Musk, or Thiel, or the Koch brothers, or maybe even Trump himself. You have far more powerful and influential backers you could be appealing to, instead of wasting your time trying to persuade the "Online Right".
So, again, let's start with the heart of the issue: why does the concept of white solidarity make you uncomfortable?
TitaniumButterfly
21m ago
This whole post relies upon an extremely facile (and uncharitable) conception of HBD. I find myself entirely uninterested in the points being made here.
"White people" is a bad category when discussing HBD. I'm not sure if it's quite as bad as 'Hispanic' but it's gotta be close. Skin color matters much less than ancestry even if they usually correlate. Consider Obama, or almost any other high-achieving 'black person' who happens to be heavily or even mostly Hajnali genetically.
Is that really what you want your political ideology to be?
I expect non-Hajnali 'whites' to basically end up as an underclass, so it is what it is I guess.
The solution here is more and better HBD, not less.
The American conflation of race with class is bizarre.
Yes. The 'white' people of appalachia are not the same race as the 'white' people of New England, c.f. Albion's Seed or for that matter the Hajnal Line. Or for blacks we could easily distinguish between, say, Bantu and Igbo.
aceventura
32m ago
If you were to say ‘ white people are clearly the most intelligent people, and the most innovative ‘ I would also agree
Fine, but can we agree limit it to white people in this small area? You can throw in Jews too.
Doesn't seem fair that all white people should get credit for the accomplishments of a small minority. Personally, I would prefer to not group people up in most cases.
TitaniumButterfly
35m ago
As I said, it doesn't make sense.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
39m ago
One sees it everywhere, even by those who otherwise denounce HBD.
The basic formula is: [My ingroup's positive attributes] are genetic, set in stone, impossible to imitate; while [ingroup's negative attributes] are the random result of circumstance or interest or are entirely mythical. [My outgroup's positive attributes] are random results of circumstance or interest, or are entirely fake; but [outgroup's negative attributes] are genetic, set in stone, impossible to improve or mitigate.
VoxelVexillologist
Multidimensional Radical Centrist
40m ago
The term antisemitism came into existence from Germans trying to justify that This Time it wasn't just dumb, bigoted Judenhass (literally "Jew-hatred"), and they had good (pseudo)scientific reasons to dislike them. Bringing other semitic peoples into it implicitly validates Nazi race science like talking about related Aryans in India.
Although some seem to be trying the This Time approach again, using "anti-Zionist" as the new label. Maybe in a century someone will claim it applies to Zionist Mormons in Utah.
The_Nybbler
In the game of roller derby, women aren't just the opposing team; they're the ball.
42m ago
My core point stands uncontested.
"Uncontested". I do not think that word means what you think it means.
HBD the theory hides behind HBD the science in order to try to gain legitimacy as a "grand-theory of why the world is the way it is" despite every "grand-theory of why the world is the way it is" being half-baked and not capable of standing up to any critical analysis.
Error on top of error. It is not enough to merely declare that every "grand-theory of why the world is the way it is" is half-baked. Nor does it matter that something does not stand up to "critical analysis", if you mean that in the postmodern sense. And certainly it is not a mark against HBD that it tries to explain aspects of the world.
rae
48m ago
The American conflation of race with class is bizarre. Upper-middle class urban white Americans share few cultural values with unemployed drug-addicted Appalachians and grouping them together as a homogenous “white” block makes little sense.
Wasn’t there a link a while back to one of those Woke Rightists who moved to a majority white town and realised he had nothing in common with the people there, and ended up missing the diverse big city?
ZanarkandAbesFan
48m ago
Do you think that means they believe Israel is literally twisting the US's arm to do it's bidding,
Was your question.
And the response was:
I'm not dogmatic on whether it's arm-twisting or owning hearts and minds, there's a mix of both going on.
Stating that Israel does twist the US' arm.
WandererintheWilderness
49m ago
This would, again, make a lot of other wars into genocides,
Yes, yes it would. A majority of historical wars were genocidal in intent; wanting to exterminate your enemies is in fact an extremely common motivation for warfare, and if it's not what you start out wanting, you sure want it once the bastards have butchered thousands of your lads on the battlefield.
A lot of the confusion about Israel-Palestine and Ukraine-Russia comes from the relevant countries and their advocates protesting that they're not engaging in Unprecedented Evil Behavior, just fighting wars like they've been fought for thousands of years. And in a way, they're right! But "the kind of wars our ancestors have been fighting since the Neolithic" is in fact what we've been trying to ban out of existence once and for all, because they sucked. There is an under-discussed gap between people who think of the modern notion of war crimes in terms of "the World Wars were anomalies, we need to ban the sort of thing that went on in WWII to ensure we only fight normal wars like we had before", and people who think of the modern notion of war crimes in terms of "the scale of the World Wars showed that we urgently need to ban a whole lot of things that had been rampant in practically every war until that point, but never made quite so starkly obvious in their horror than when they were implemented on an industrial scale".
VoxelVexillologist
Multidimensional Radical Centrist
53m ago
And artillery shells being depleted is a real issue against China, the logistics here are sort of fungible, and spending a lot of resources resupplying Ukraine is going to demand we replace that (we have to be prepared to fight more than just China, a military's job isn't only to prepare for the most obvious threat), and the resources that go into replacing those assets, plus their losses, will eat up resources that could go into the Pacific.
This seems plausible, but there is a claim the opposite direction that the Ukraine conflict gives the US and its allies cover to invest heavily in war materiel production while still notionally in a time of peace without large domestic or foreign suspicion about warmongering or wasteful spending. In 1941 the US benefited heavily from having already tooled up for lend-lease production and broadly expecting to get dragged into the conflict eventually. Designs for aircraft and tanks that would only get fielded later in the war were in development, and Iowa's keel was laid before Pearl Harbor.
ArjinFerman
Tinfoil Gigachad
53m ago
So why are you asking if people remember something that they're reminding you of?
As far as I can tell, the real core of this story is that children that were found orphaned in Russian-captured territory were put in the Russian orphanage system, which seems like a normal thing to do.
Russia could have returned them to Ukraine. Russia is happy to do extensive prisoner swaps, so why not allow innocent children to go?
Because the regime does not believe that is What Russia Should Do with Ukraine.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
56m ago
Yeah that was what reminded me of the subject.
I let the sky wash my car whenever it rains.
A daily commute of 40 miles each way in the New York–Philadelphia corridor
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