hydroacetylene
2d ago
where he leverages connections and money to get off with a slap on the wrist and the government not looking too closely
Nobody disputes this, though. Well connected billionaires getting away with stuff is Tuesday.
coffee_enjoyer
☕️
2d ago
But it’s a big deal if a group of Zionists, by way of Mega Group founder Les Wexner who seeded Epstein with 200-400 million dollars, was involved in blackmailing influential Americans to do Israel’s bidding as part of some insane fifth-gen lobbying campaign. It’s a very big deal that Jeffrey Epstein’s own brother says
In the 2016 election, we were talking about the election and Jeffrey told me that if he said what he knew about the candidates, they would have to cancel the election
(as I predicted in a comment weeks back). There’s a lot of evidence that this is what happened which I won’t rehash as I’ve commented on it enough recently.
If I intended to separate from her forever, which I'd be doing in a similar case, I'd cut contact before she could tell me whether she did or didn't do it.
As I understand it you feel like you are responsible for a child regardless of whether she had it solely to suck money from you or not. I can't help with that. My view on how much DNA matters in terms of creating a metaphysical link between father and child is dim. If she schemed to do it, she can have the whole damn responsibility for raising a third kid in the third world.
Lesson for the future I guess, wrap it up. Especially when fucking strippers. Especially in the third world.
BahRamYou
2d ago
alright. yeah, like you said it's personal. thanks for talking to me in this semi-anonymous way.
The law is fucked about this actually. Legally speaking, even if the woman intentionally lied about being on birth control or even outright forced you to have sex you could be held liable for child support as the father. The only thing that stops this from happening right now is that you are in the States (I assume) and she is in the Philippines.
What I've stated in my prior comment isn't a legal opinion, it's just my take. It's me just very systematically stating that for the above reasons, if you ask me personally I wouldn't feel obliged to provide support. This is of course assuming there is even a kid in the first place and that it is yours.
Ultimately though, this is a very personal question to ask and I can't answer it for you. In the end it's up to you to decide what you can live with; there isn't any way for me to absolve you of your moral code, no matter how much it might differ from mine. I would not do it though.
EverythingIsFine
Well, is eventually fine
2d ago
Just approximating, I think it's about 30 dollars per taxpayer per year, (lazily 4.9 billion in 2024 / 161 million tax returns), for 20 million lives supported. A decent chunk less if you adjust for progressive taxation, though I'm too tired to actually estimate it. Just as a thought experiment scaling it up, would we burden every American taxpayer with 1-3,000 dollars per year to save 2 billion people? Maybe that's on the border, I think I'd lean yes. I don't think by itself PEPFAR counts too much as a slippery slope or anything because PEPFAR is kind of unique in terms of the cost efficiency or opportunity, there are no other PEPFARs. Disclaimer: not an EA type, don't know the nitty gritty, and happy to have someone correct me on the numbers if wrong.
BahRamYou
2d ago
that seems like a very legal response. Like, yeah, i Know i'm not legally responsable. But I still feel bad. What would you do? not asking for a legal opinion, just your opinion as a bro. let her raise the kid in poverty, give her money forever, or just assume she's a lying bitch?
No, I'm assuming that the situation is that she's actually pregnant and it's actually yours. Basically, if it's planned as "a more elaborate scam to get pregnant" like what you described.
Let's say you give her the 20 dollars and a child results anyway:
1: She told you she was on birth control, and if she is pregnant it is almost certainly the case that she was not. If she did so intentionally (note this is likely: she is a stripper who would have experience with this), that is extremely abusive behaviour.
2: You have provided her the finances necessary to buy the abortion pills she needs. She has not availed herself of this option.
It seems clear that any child resulting from this is entirely a consequence of her decisions and actions, and she chose to have it against your will. As such, you definitely do not need to participate.
BahRamYou
2d ago
Right, you're firmly committed to your prior that she's lying about everything and I'm a naive idiot. So in that case the correct choice of course is to give her nothing and walk away.
But since I'm actually in this situation, I have to think about other possibilities so...
If this is baby trapping and she lied about being on birth control, I would reiterate my assertion in my prior comment: This is something she's committed against you and as such you're not obliged to participate. But it ultimately depends on what you feel you can live with.
BahRamYou
2d ago
I mean, if she's actually pregnant and it's actually mine... what would you do...? I feel kinda guilty just running away.
Turok: the Epstein saga is materially true in a broader sense. Leave the conspiracy aside for a moment. You only have to look as far as his first brush with the law over the issue, where he leverages connections and money to get off with a slap on the wrist and the government not looking too closely. Even if the public is fuzzy on the details they more or less have the right general direction here in terms of rich shadowy men with connections getting away with stuff. Also: shocker alert, what you call the "online right" is not entirely made up of dishonest hacks who only care about the returns. Nope, they are by and large true believers. They don't give a fig about the actual long-term second-order effects. It's not some big plan that you're bursting their bubble about. There's no Santa Claus, here, in the first place, so pointing out he's not real doesn't do anything. In that light, I find your comment to be pretty pointless, and that's coming from me who kind of agrees about the status quo being unreasonably sticky *taps username, this time unironically and that generic replacement figures obviously quite often come from a similar statistical ideological and demographic distributions as the prior ones.
In fact I also happen to think that a large proportion of politicians are also either true believers or so ideologically captured as to make little difference, because of the pipeline that produces them, but most people seem to disagree and consider them almost all pure ambitious sociopaths with agnostic or apathetic personal politics, with a handful of outright corrupt ones on the side.
Sorry, I get that this is stressful and maybe I sound judgemental (you do, in fact, have my sympathies). If she's not asking for much then not really a problem then, I suppose. The issue is if the requests for payment continue.
But your other concern isn't actionable. If she really babytrapped you, there's not really anything you can do short of engaging in criminal activity to stop that from happening. You can only control what you can, and either choose to get involved or not (I don't blame you at all if you choose the latter, the baby was primarily her responsibility and not yours).
BahRamYou
2d ago
If there's no baby, great. no problem. I send her enough for the abortion (which is a very cheap there). Maybe she scammed me out of the equivalent of like $20. you can make fun of me for being an idiot.
If it's planned as a a more elaborate scam to get pregnant... you see my problem? or whatever maybe you don't you just want to seem smart and not like those suckers who get conned by a woman into helping her with her kids.
Its interesting because I think it’s gotten to the point that democrats can’t build a collation until this issue is solved and that they are all hoping that it will resolve itself by the midterms (or certainly by the next presidential administration). Starvation (assuming that is what is happening), is not sustainable over those time periods.
Breaking points had a highly adversarial interview come out with Slotkin earlier this week https://youtube.com/watch?v=AFrEJTFbSTc , which is interesting, but the most salient thing that came out of it was the degree to which the Senator is distancing herself from Israel. She didn’t come out and accept the framing (or remedies), desired by the shows audience, but as good as said that the (dem?) strategy going forward will be to try and legislate to width-hold offensive aid.
A completely cynical analysis (which is usually what does the trick democrat or republican) suggested that the democrats believe this will be enough to show their voters that the party was on the right side of history, because the war will end by the next election and it will be possible to blame it all on the Netanyahu administration (ie the problem isn’t the Israeli citizens but their leadership)/ aided and abetted by the republicans.
This suggests that if Great Leap Forward style starvation is occurring in Gaza, then it is actually very much in trumps interest to pressure Israel to admit MORE aid so that the current situation can be maintained as long as possible. This would simultaneously help them with the parts of MAGA that aren’t onboard with the current situation, while further undermining the democrat party messaging on this (by supporting humanitarian aid). This would also seem to be in Netanyahus interest as well since he is the obvious person to take the fall, although I don’t really have any knowledge about his domestic political situation (and whether or not admiring additional aid would destroy his coalition).
Of course it's not literally impossible, but every part of this reads like a textbook scam and I would place the probability of this being the case at somewhere upwards of 90%. She is a stripper and probably has experience with hooking up with clients, what is the likelihood that she suddenly had a lapse of judgement or her birth control failed in this specific instance? It's far more likely that this is a scam, either the baby was entirely planned, she was already pregnant or there is no baby. (The first possibility strikes me as the most unlikely of the three.)
If you really need certainty there's @sun_the_second's suggestion that you should probably send just enough for the abortion then never speak to her again. I would not necessarily recommend that course of action though, even if it would ensure your peace of mind. The only thing worse than becoming a target is falling for the scheme. Just because she looks innocent and sounds truthful doesn't mean she is.
BahRamYou
2d ago
So you think it's literally impossible that a Filipina could get pregnant from unprotected sex with me? I know there are many scams... but there's also real biology.
Also yeah shut up whatever. (I know you're right but...)
Anyway thanks for your insider advice.
WandererintheWilderness
2d ago
Homelessness, for example, remains a big problem, and it's typically worse in areas controlled by progressives doing so many things. Just this evening my wife did not want to use our nearby park to put the baby in a swing due to the homeless being all over the playground area (normally they're more broadly dispersed)
I can't help but notice that it sounds like your problem is "the homeless", more than "homelessness". Progressives, on the other hand, are trying to solve or alleviate "homelessness" - ie the problem experienced by the homeless where they, er, don't have homes. Keeping vagrants out of parks would solve the problem of "the homeless" from the perspective of more fortunate people who are inconvenienced by the presence of the homeless, but it wouldn't do shit to solve the problem of "homelessness" from the perspective of its actual victims, the homeless themselves. Indeed, it would make their lives fractionally worse than they already are, by further restricting their freedom of movement. Certainly if I was homeless it would make a big difference to my already-degraded quality-of-life and dignity whether I was allowed to hang out in pleasant green spaces or not.
Granted, seeing homeless people is by definition evidence that the problem of "homelessness" has not been successfully solved, so your anecdote isn't without value. But "the city (…) won't keep the drug-using vagrants away" is a non sequitur. Setting aside the continued existence of the vagrants, the city's willingness or lack thereof to keep them away from parks says nothing about how effective they are or aren't at solving the problem they're actually tackling, which is "there are human beings wasting away outdoors", not "well-fed well-housed people might sometimes have to set eyes upon the starving wretches, who are gross and scary", or even "sometimes well-fed well-housed people might be in legitimate physical danger if they get too close to concentrations of starving wretches". Improving the actual homeless people's lives is the outspoken priority of progressive authorities, and even if you disagree with that priority, you don't get to call them ineffective because they aren't very good at solving a completely different, if related problem that you think should be higher-priority.
(Another notable element is that the "drug-using" bit is the crux of the problem. For most of human history, it didn't use to go without saying that a bum is by definition a bug-eyed junkie who could at any time freak out and bite your nose off. The problem of "the homeless" is really an extreme case of the general societal problem of "drugs".)
Southeast Asian here. I very much doubt she is pregnant. Seriously, as someone who has had a family member be falsely accused by a Filipina for money, she was trying to trap you the entire time. This chick took one look at you and probably (correctly) sussed out you were an easy target.
Lots of stories like these. Watch this video, containing an anecdote where a Filipina tried to convince a guy that she was pregnant by using a friend's urine. The ability to produce a positive pregnancy test is not evidence of her pregnancy.
Also, I wouldn't say this but it seems you need it:
- Don't get drunk and stupid in foreign countries.
- Use protection.
- Don't hang out with random thots who clearly want your money.
These are regular "white people in Southeast Asia" precautions. You are going to attract a lot of attention, most of it unwanted; do not put yourself in compromising situations.
BahRamYou
2d ago
i'm not joking, she showed me a pregnancy test and we spent enough time together that it's unlikely (though not impossible) that it's not mine.
2rafa
2d ago
If you’re not joking, don’t speak to her ever again, she’s not pregnant and if she is it’s not yours.
Eliza
2d ago
There are not too many years separating the Turkish occupation of northern Cyprus and the Israeli occupation of the West Bank. Both are deemed illegal under international law. Both restrict the rights of the former occupant population. But one has been an on-and-off war zone ever since, and one has not. Why? No single reason. But a big one is that Turkey accompanied their annexation with near-complete ethnic cleansing.
BahRamYou
2d ago
For what it's worth, she showed me a pregnancy test. Also the way she talks seems noticably different now.
Of course she could be faking the pregnancy test and the talking. I have no way of knowing for sure. At first I thought it was fake, but right now i'm like 80% sure it's real.
What would you do if you sent a woman money for an abortion and she didn't do it?
MAGA is not particularly anti-market, though? It’s anti fiscal conservative which brings its own set of issues but MAGA slashes regulations when it can.
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