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Yeah when I wrote my original post it occurred to me that I was going to have to repeat myself ad infinitum about this, but, I'm not disputing that the holocaust happened or that millions died.
I just think it was likely mostly much more, uh, organic, if you will, than is typically portrayed, and that the numbers given have every hallmark of being substantially inflated. I'm also calling attention to what I see as the fact that all pertinent institutions involved were, at the time, and are still now, under immense pressure to spin things in only one direction, including the nazis. During the war so as to please their superiors; after the war so as to please their captors.
Maybe you're an HBD-denier but if not you must surely see how possible it is for such a 'vast conspiracy' to be not just possible but successful -- outside of extremely niche uncontrolled spaces like this one.
Death camps may be a waste of resources, but so is invading Russia.
People like to sneer about this but I don't think so. It was Stalin's plan to let the capitalist powers fight it out and then jump on the losing side. Hitler attacked because the USSR was only going to get stronger and was never going to stop being a threat, while if he won he would have the resources to hold off the US. It was a fatal gamble but arguably a necessary one.
There are many, many, many instances of Hitler making terrible strategic decisions; I don't think this is one of them.
you must have noticed how strong the overlap between people who hate Jews and people who deny the Holocaust is
Sure; I also notice that it's immaterial to the question, and easy to explain. C.f. HBD-denial again and the overlaps we see there. Actually I'd question your motivation in trying to make the point in the first place; it looks to me like dirty rhetoric.
RoyGBivensAction
Zensunni Scientologist
2d ago
Probably seen friends, family and coworkers spend a weekend in jail on some trumped up charges. I had a coworker arrested because his ex said he broke into her place. On a night he was on security cameras working late in the office.
Yep. I'm obviously biased because I work in the system, but court is open to the public. Anyone can go hang out in misdemeanor court sometime and watch the DV cases flow through. They can watch some misdemeanor DV trials (where the defendant often does not get a jury trial, only a bench trial) where a conviction can result in all kinds of direct and collateral consequences and see what they think of the accusations and evidence. Also, they'd need to keep in mind that the trial might be many months down the road after an allegation was made, a temporary restraining order was granted on little-to-no evidence, and the man could already have been forced out of his house and kept away from his kids the whole time.
Watching in family court can also be instructive to see how many divorces have an opening salvo of vague claims of abuse and getting a temporary restraining order. 100%? Not even close, but it doesn't take long watching family court or talking to attorneys who handle divorces to Notice there's a trend there.
oats_son
2d ago
Yes, actually 4 is the one I remember the most because of the stairs part. Sorry, that's just awesome. I did also like the top-down thing because I quite like Hotline Miami. I have now defaulted to assuming most of the things shown in John Wick are not true to life, so the Dragon's Breath stuff doesn't bother me much.
Frankly, I will probably see about every John Wick related film for the foreseeable future, because my family likes to see it, and I still think the action is decent enough. Far above pretty much anything else, anyway. My real preference is for high stakes, high lethality stuff, like the hotel shootout in No Country or the crazy car chase scene in The French Connection.
coffee_enjoyer
☕️
2d ago
As our resident holocaust expert: have there been any cases of elderly camp guards admitting to the holocaust? We should expect that some percent of elderly camp guards would admit to a bunch of traumas and atrocities once they develop age-related declines in inhibition. I imagine most of this is written in German, but I could only find cases of the opposite: elderly camp guards losing their inhibition and then expressing a denial of the event.
BahRamYou
2d ago
Yeah, and think about how garbled the movie is going to be after it's been translated and subbed/dubbed into a hundred different languages with all different cultural contexts. There's just no way to make a tightly-written plot under that kind of limitation.
Grant_us_eyes
2d ago
That's the part that freaks me out the most - there are no negatives for me.
The first few weeks I was taking it, I felt like I was stumbling around in a daze, waiting for the other shoe to drop. Not only was a loosing weight, but I feeling better, less anxiety, better sleep, less brain fog, more energy. And I couldn't help but think 'What the hell? Drugs aren't supposed to be like this. Where's the negatives here? Where are the downsides!?'
I haven't run into any yet. I know people who are very much high-energy, driven people, whom I've known for a very long time, seen thier eating habits, seen what they do in day to day life, and all of a sudden I find myself thinking 'Wait, I'm doing the exact same thing they are. Huh.'
Now, with caveats - my brother is also taking semaglutide after I nagged him enough, and he went all in down the peptide rabbit hole, and it's entirely possible that both he and I just react very well to them - neither of us have increased our weekly dosage and we haven't hit a plateau yet. Which is a contrast to some of the horror stories he's stumbled across where they're taking 4 to six times our dosage just to see any effects, or much more expensive GLP1 blockers.
Still. Drugs. Man, they're awesome.
Amadan
Enjoying my short-lived victory
2d ago
For some it probably is. Otoh I recall some people here insisting we should absolutely take the SJWs tweeting "#killallmen" very seriously even when it was obviously performative.
Amadan
Enjoying my short-lived victory
2d ago
That's somewhat fair, though I'd point out that SJWs and feminists don't have a history of actually committing genocide against their outgroup.
Corvos
2d ago
Other people’s sincere patriotism is always a little annoying because it’s generally a claim that they consider their country’s ways strictly superior to mine. Nevertheless, I believe that love of country is (usually) a healthy love to have. What I object to is those people deciding to kneecap everyone else.
I don’t necessarily disapprove of tariffs on the other hand. People don’t have to cooperate with their rivals, just ideally refrain from stomping them to the ground. Of course tactics like market flooding make this philosophy more complex to hold to.
Amadan
Enjoying my short-lived victory
2d ago
I think you're hiding the ball a little there. Hardly anyone disputes that Jews have an outsized commercial and cultural impact on the world. Just look at their presence compared to their numbers! What the Jew haters contend is that this impact is bad, and even malicious. If you ask me "Assume they are right about that" you're asking me to assume someone's most hostile description of their outgroup is correct. Uh, golly that would be pretty bad if this group you hate really is out to get me and destroy my civilization. Excuse me if I require more substance before I seriously indulge such hypotheticals.
RoyGBivensAction
Zensunni Scientologist
2d ago
Douglass Mackey, aka Ricky Vaughn, had his conviction overturned by the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals:
Mackey was convicted of conspiring to injure citizens in the exercise of their right to vote in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 241 based on three memes he posted or reposted on Twitter shortly before the 2016 presidential election. These memes falsely suggested that supporters of then-candidate Hillary Clinton could vote by text message. On appeal, Mackey argues, inter alia, that the evidence was insufficient to prove that he knowingly agreed to join the charged conspiracy. We agree.
The opinion is focused on the evidence presented by the prosecution and avoids the first amendment claim advanced by Volokh among others at the trial court and appellate level in his amicus briefs. I also recall seeing some arguments that the trial court improperly combined some statutes in its jury instructions, but I'm not finding any briefs on that issue at the moment.
I understand the concept of avoiding constitutional issues whenever possible, but I do wish the 2nd Circuit had addressed the first amendment concerns. I agree with Volokh that the statute here is overbroad and vague, and it needs to be limited somehow (ideally by Congressional amendment, but good luck with that). This reversal is obviously a win for Mackey, but since it's focused on the evidence presented at trial, it's of limited use for anyone else in the future who might get charged criminal for memeing too well.
wayfarer
2d ago
I believed the Holocaust happened but the reaction of confused outrage from certain people who are used to essentially having an auto win button in these arguments is silly.
is past tense intentional?
if yes, do you plan to stop believing that WW II happened because everyone involved produced piles of propaganda and after few decades a lot of it is believed?
The_Nybbler
In the game of roller derby, women aren't just the opposing team; they're the ball.
2d ago
George Lucas is capable of making a movie. As in, one. Which he did fifty years ago, and has been coasting on ever since.
He made at least two movies (ANH, ESB). Maybe as many as four (THX-1138, American Grafitti)
Corvos
2d ago
Understood, and that’s interesting to hear. I wanted to write something about the difficulty of getting genuine policy preferences in an election or polling situation:
- the small supply of viable politicians
- the difficulty of disentangling personal preferences from tradeoff complications.
The former is a well known issue with indirect democracy. For the latter, put it this way: if you ask people ‘do you want A’ devoid of tradeoffs, that doesn’t tell you how they’ll respond to real electoral offerings. OTOH if you add in tradeoffs, you have other problems:
- Are you still pro-A if it will mean all your loved ones die in a fire? Well, no, but I don’t think that’s a realistic tradeoff. If I say that I am not pro A on the survey under those conditions, I give the impression that my support for A is weak.
- I may weight issues on achievability as well as desire. Do you value A or B more? Well, perhaps I really care about A but I believe (thanks to the same polls that have these problems) that public support for A is very low and even a politician promising A will never deliver it. Whereas support for X is on a knife edge. I therefore say truthfully that I plan to vote based on X.
wayfarer
2d ago
perpetrated largely by locals like the Belgian Congo.
AFAIK this was perpetrated largely by locals but induced by certain Belgians - it is not like death rate without them would be the same as in modern Europe, but certain Leopold definitely made things worse in quest to enrich himself
I am perfectly happy to blame him for this mess (with disclaimer that baseline number of deaths would be quite high, applying noble savage myth here is a bad idea)
wayfarer
2d ago
I think the issue is that a lot of the history as taught and then used as propaganda are exaggerated and weaponized to create a propaganda machine that uses the mythology to demonize even relatively harmless ideas or to justify wars to destroy movements or to prop up bad ideas.
this seems remarkably optimistic view, that only "a lot of" is affected
It furthermore creates an idea that there was only one major genocide in human history and it was uniquely evil.
oh that is definitely silly AND happening
It gets worse when someone tries to define Holocaust as limited to murder of Jews.
It means that any ideology that you can connect to something the Nazis said or did is now to be suppressed and if possible eliminated by “right thinking people” everywhere.
which has side-effect of whitewashing Nazis, it took quite a lot of time for it to happen but dedicated effort managed to push it and continues to push
(Neither of above implies or agrees with fact that Holocaust was faked, WW II was used to absurd degree in Russian propaganda and absurdly twisted to the point where it detached from reality, see convenient forgetfulness that Soviet Russia entered war as ally of Nazi Germany. This does not mean either that WW II has not happened.)
Amadan
Enjoying my short-lived victory
2d ago
It sure gets discussed a lot for something you claim you are not allowed to discuss.
self_made_human
Grippy socks, grippy box
2d ago
I really have to wonder how much they're paying for more and more hitmen to crawl out of the woodwork, after John has already racked up triple digit kill counts over the last movie. All the monetary rates I can remember being quoted seemed grossly inadequate, I'd rather go work at a fast-food chain for minimum wage if the risk premium is that poor.
(I grant that the franchise runs on ROC. But there's only so much I can suspend my disbelief before it breaks my neck with it)
TitaniumButterfly
2d ago
Yeah so I kind of was hoping that doing a post about being Jewish wouldn't immediately mean the replies would also include a bunch of "but Jews do rule the world" and "but the Holocaust probably is mostly fake"
I'm sympathetic to your OP and wasn't responding to it, which would obviously have been incredibly inappropriate. Nor did I, at any point, suggest that the holocaust is probably mostly fake. I'm disputing the narrative and I'm questioning details; not whether it happened.
More importantly, I'm asking someone who indicated his ability and willingness to correct others about their misconceptions on the matter to do that. Conversations ramify and often end up in very different places than they started. It's a forum.
We had a huge family tree and then there was no one on it anymore. Our story is not unique, that's basically every Holocaust survivor story.
Yeah. One side of my family was in the US before all that happened; the other side no longer exists.
self_made_human
Grippy socks, grippy box
2d ago
I would have to try very hard to suspend my disbelief, my understanding is that DB rounds are borderline useless in real life! But the idea of seeing Keanu break his hips rolling down a flight of stairs has some appeal haha.
The_Nybbler
In the game of roller derby, women aren't just the opposing team; they're the ball.
2d ago
Strength
Terry Hogan
Health
Hard to demonstrate exceptional health, but I haven't seen a conspicuous lack of health in the Trump administration.
Beauty.
Natalie Winters (and in fact the beauty of a number of MAGA women, at least by DC standards, has been noted elsewhere)
Intelligence.
J.D. Vance, but also Terry Hogan and Tulsi Gabbard and RFK and most of the rest. There are few dummies.
Fertility.
Elon of course. Trump. RFK Jr. MTG.
Truth
Ah, alas, this is politics.
Reason
Vance
Vitality
Trump, Hogan, MTG, Winters, others.
WhiningCoil
2d ago
There is one guy who should have been, if what his wife says is true. (I am sceptical, but she is the blood relative, so I believe her in public)
I repeat
It's like either you've seen it, or you have some sort of mental blinders on that make what you've seen "not count"
So someone in your social circle has had that happen, despite your claims that nobody has.
RoyGBivensAction
Zensunni Scientologist
2d ago
The only thing beards correlate with nowadays is being ugly. Sorry, there is almost nobody who looks better with facial hair than without.
A bold claim. I'm hardly Henry Cavill, but I have a strong jawline, and my experience in being both clean-shaven and having a beard is that women who are strongly or mildly into beards on men far outnumber women who are mildly or strongly against them.
07mk
2d ago
4 is indeed the one with the Dragon's Breath rounds. It was featured in a really popular no-cut scene that drew a lot of inspiration from Hotline Miami with its top-down camera view. The visual of John Wick shooting a shotgun at enemies who would blow up in flames was pretty cool, but definitely highly overrated, with the top-down view basically negating the benefit of a no-cut scene which is usually supposed to give a visceral, exciting sense of actually being there in the middle of the action.
I'd say you didn't miss much by missing that, but you did miss the best scene of the film, the long take of John Wick being kicked and rolling down several flights of stairs (the actual gun combat scene surrounding that was pretty meh).
Yup. I've been taking it for 21 weeks by this point, still on the same dosage(Most plans slowly increase the dosage over time) and haven't hit a plateau yet. Averaging around 10 pounds of weight loss a month.
Now, as I mentioned elsewhere, a caveat - my brother is also taking semaglutide after I nagged him enough, and he went all in down the peptide rabbit hole, and it's entirely possible that both he and I just react very well to them. Our experience is very much a contrast to some of the horror stories he's stumbled across where they're taking four to six times our dosage just to see any effects, or much more expensive GLP1 blockers.
So I again run into the depressing issue that even when it worked really well for me, there's still an annoying chance it won't work this well for everyone.
I'd still endorse giving it a shot, however. Pun not intended.
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