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But increasingly, the only roles which are prestigious in modernity are those of white collar undefined-what-the-value-add-here-is jobs and those of pushing the bounds of theoretical knowledge

This isn't necessarily directed at you in particular, but it seems like a good excuse to talk about it:

I often see sweeping generalizations about "prestige" on TheMotte that betray a very particular kind of coastal, Blue Tribe, upper-middle-to-lower-upper class perspective on what counts as prestigious and why. But not everyone in "society" shares that perspective. Ask yourself, the types of guys who are actually working these trade jobs, do they know about your concept of prestige? Do they know what you consider prestigious or not? And if they do know, do they care what you consider prestigious or not? It's not a rhetorical question, I'm legitimately asking. I don't exactly have a foot in that world either.

Think about a black teenager growing up in the projects in inner city Chicago. He's a part of "modernity" too. What does he consider prestigious? He may be aware to a more or less vague degree that people think that being the President is prestigious, or that being Elon Musk is prestigious. But what he considers most viscerally prestigious, his "revealed preference" for prestige if you will, is being the local drug dealer, or the most feared local warlord. That's what actually matters in his world. Or maybe he could aspire to be a major rapper or athlete; those are things that "society at large" finds prestigious as well. Those positions are certainly compensated well enough. But even then, they're the sort of thing that the more well-to-do Blue Tribe perspective might look down upon as "tacky". Note that a couple comments here have already given their personal shortlist of what they consider prestigious, and "being Jay Z" and "being Tom Brady" haven't made any of the lists so far.

I once read a comment here that said "being a doctor is one of the most prestigious things you can be". And I just thought... really? Really? I mean it's an important job, don't get me wrong. Thank you for your services. I'm happy for them that they're making a lot of money. But at the end of the day it's, from my perspective, still just another job. Doctors are, modulo individual technical skill, fungible, and fungibility is antithetical to prestige as far as I'm concerned.

Now, if I were in the same room as say, I dunno, David Chalmers or Slavoj Zizek, I might find myself stumbling over my words in a vain attempt to make a good impression, because those people have achieved social positions that I do consider to be highly prestigious. But this is hardly a universal opinion! Many educated and well off people of good repute have never heard those names; and if I were to explain to these same educated and well off people that they were philosophy professors, a common response (particularly from those of a more conservative bent) would be "well they're just parasites who are stealing our tax dollars and filling young peoples' heads with nonsense, so why the hell would I think they're prestigious?" (In fact your reference to the "philosophy of fartsniffing" indicates that this would likely be your response!)

The TL;DR is that there are almost as many conceptions of prestige as there are people, so before we say that the prestige of such and such a thing is motivating people to do XYZ, we should establish what model of prestige the individuals in question are actually operating on.

I agree he's more sincere than John "Article III is <Not> Worth a Dollar" Roberts, fair. But I don't see any way to make VanDerStok workable in the same frame as Bostock.

Trivially, VanDerStok isn't clearly saying that the GCA definition of "firearm" is massively broad; that's why it has to keep wavering back and forth from ordinary meaning to what Congress 'meant' to say whenever discussing "artifact nouns". That's very far from Bostock's explicit division from what Congress intended to say from what the statute actually spells out.

But more critically, VanDerStok is a dodge. Gorsuch does not write to say that the GCA definition of "firearm" is so broad as to even cover all of the plaintiffs. He discovers that APA challenges must act as a facial challenge such that no enforcement of the regulation could ever be a valid interpretation of the statute, after the plaintiffs never argued it and the government defending the law disavowed. Even were he absolutely sure that the ghost guns rule were perfectly in line with the statute, he's not actually committing to it, either.

A British friend of mine takes Finasteride and swears by it. I asked my (urologist) doctor about it once in the dark days when I was fannying about worried about my hairline, and he looked at me and said "You will develop man-boobs." (Urologist due to BPH, but they can also prescribe it--though he said he was unwilling to).

Anyway since then I've both calmed down and lost much interest in Finasteride. I believe you mentioned minoxidil, which is basically Rogaine right? But has no hormonal component that I know of. (I write all this before reading your deepdive but I will from now.)

Ah, I had not realized (or remembered) that Lord Kelvin wasn't born that.

Serfs these were not, but no one in this forum could be said as being of "serf stock,"

Oddly, some people in my family talk about us being "good peasant stock", but it isn't actually true; they were shopkeepers and skilled laborers in the old country.

I have a friend who's an apprentice electrician, but he already has a bachelors from a good college and is happy to be taking trigonometry again, so it's more of a "same academic skills, better personal fit" when compared with white collar positions.

1549 Book of Common Prayer

Though the 1662 Book of Common Prayer is much the same

O Merciful God, who has made all men, and hate ſt nothing that thou ha ſt made, nor de ſire ſt the death of a ſinner, but rather that he ſhould be converted and live: Have mercy upon all Jews, Turks, Infidels, and Hereticks, and take from them all ignorance, hardne ſs of heart, and contempt of thy Word; and ſo fetch them home, bleſſed Lord, to thy flock, that they may be ſaved among the remnant of the true I ſraelites, and be made one fold under one ſhepherd, Je ſus Chri ſt our Lord; who liveth and reigneth with thee and the Holy Spirit, one God, world without end. Amen.

Arklatex sounds like software for reverting typeset math into bad handwriting.

Nope. But its definitely authentic about it, it doesn't hate the contestants.

Human history has been a fairly steady march of increasing liberalism

This is straight-up Whig history, and I am far from alone in rejecting it.

Edit: and now I see IGI-111 laid it all out much better and in more detail below.

Something's gotta give between

  1. Abstinence until marriage
  2. Marriage driven by choice and random chance relatively (25+) late in life.
  3. No fault divorce.
  4. A healthy sex drive in an individual.

So just get rid of #2 and #3, then.

9 is wildly overrated. The gameplay in 9 is totally broken. The animations take so long that everyone's ATB bar fills up at at the same time, so you can never guess what order the turns will happen!

The writing was also lousy. The "comic relief" character Quina is by my estimate the 6th funniest character of the main cast, behind Steiner, Zidane, Vivi, Eiko, and Garnet ("What's that phrase again? Oh yeah! Get off me you scumbag!") and arguably 7th because Freya and Zidane have that bit where he pretends he didn't know her name. Amarant was a wildly underdeveloped and pointless character, and while Freya was interesting the writers just forgot about her halfway through the game (common problem in final fantasy).

Great music though.

I haven't played them all, but of the ones I've played, I guess I'd rank them 12 < 3 < 9 < 4 < 5 < 8 < 7 < 10 < 6.

Does anyone actually look up to middle managers in HR departments, girlboss or otherwise? How is that prestigious? Lots of people look down on HR as useless do-nothing wreckers, yourself included. HR are villains in popular culture: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ADWb4gM7cDM

Or McKinsey? Consultants are also reviled and blamed for so many problems. Quite right too IMO.

Academia is prestigious (letters before and after your name!), being a lawyer is prestigious, working in finance, working in some human-rights NGO is prestigious/virtuous, being a doctor is prestigious. All of these have some tangible pull factor, ranging from power, wealth, high academic requirements or virtue. There might be hostility but they're not despised like HR is.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=-l0HFgfDWec&t=13

I'm looking for a man in finance, trust fund, 6'5, blue eyes

HR only has a lack of negatives (you don't have to deal with the general public grubbily asking for fries, you work sitting down all day).

I think the issue is that there's a default track in that you're supposed to go to university (you are smart aren't you?) and then people feel like they need to use their uni degree, so they go into HR or some similar low-value public service job. It's a smooth progression.

Nobody ever dreamed of working at McKinsey, they just end up there after going to uni and studying 'business'.

Thanks for the response! I disagree with you that this makes a case for personhood (as a distinct concept from "being a human organism").

Well whether a life is or is not a person is an important moral factor in deciding how immoral it is to kill that life.

I don't agree. in my moral system the only relevant factor is whether it's a human being or not. I can't think of any non-abortion/consistent life ethic issues in which not making this distinction would lead to a conclusion that you'd disagree with.

For example, people generally don't consider taking animal lives equally immoral as taking human lives

This issue can be resolved by just deciding axiomatically that human lives are important and animal lives are not. This is what I do in my moral system. There's no need to introduce a concept of personhood separate from being a human organism to resolve this issue normally. Moreover, I think even among animal rights people, the unironic belief that "animals are people too" is pretty fringe.

I'm aware that lots of people use the concept of "personhood" to talk about abortion, including some pro-lifers. I'm just not sure what it gets you outside of the context of the abortion debate, which is what I mean when I say it's an ad-hoc concept. I think you can recover the entirety of most pro-choicers' morality, aside from abortion/consistent life ethic stuff, by just defining "person" to mean the same thing as human organism. I don't even think this runs afoul of what most people who believe in animal rights think. But pro-choicers introduce this extra "personhood" concept that doesn't play any role in their other beliefs to resolve this one issue, rather than taking the simpler route of just defining everything in terms of being a human organism.

I'm not saying the pro-choice position is inconsistent. I'm saying that it requires introducing extra complexity to your moral system that isn't used for anything else. Is there any issue, aside from consistent life ethic/abortion stuff, in which you must appeal to personhood as distinct from being a human being in order to arrive at the normal position?

That Devon Eriksen quote pretty much describes a good portion of my own worldview, and your analogy about mitochondria versus viruses sums up another chunk (indeed, it's a metaphor I use myself from time to time). And I, for one, think #1 is pretty much inevitable, with maybe the slimmest hope of #3 (though I think that to be successful, #3 can't rely on "outbreeding the enemy" alone, and will ultimately have to resort to a superior capacity for violence).

Nice write up, in the last couple of months there was some researcher, this one i think? https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29569259/ , that claimed that some structural issue with a vein in the groin is the main cause for prostate cancer, and that the way it works is that it causes very testosterone rich blood go directly from the testicles to the prostate. have you seen anything related to that in your research? i did some googling after that because it sounded like something that could have at least an indirect link and havent found anything too clear, but wondering if you noticed something

Healthy cultures are evolved phenomena, and most cultures currently alive are no longer suited to their environments.

This right here is a big part of what makes me a "reactionary" right there. The entire modern world vastly overestimates the capacities of intelligently-designed, top down "culture and education program[s]."

I would have liked him to know the population of Iran, and the approximate ethnic make-up of the population. I would have liked Tucker to follow up with a query to see if he knew the population of Israel.

I would have liked him to condemned Mossad intelligence operations carried out domesticly in the US. Call for increased efforts by FBI counter-intelligence. Especially in an interview just before Juneteenth, they day we celebrate the execution of the Rosenbergs, notorious Soviet spies.

You can get an entry level HVAC job in June by having a clean driving record, piss test

I really don't believe this. One of my coworkers finished a private electrical trade school, went into debt, and he still can't find an apprenticeship. I doubt HVAC is much different, especially in my area of the country where nobody even has air conditioning. Maybe in a big metro area or something. But I work at a lumber yard in a rural area and everyone wants to do either trades or become a firefighter (for some reason). And the firefighter guys seem to have a much higher success rate. I've applied to at least 100 jobs and gotten 2 interviews, both of which ghosted me after. And yes I'm an autist but I can hide it pretty well for short periods of time. The most recent one was for a "laborer" position at a company that does kitchen remodels, so it was actually one level below an apprenticeship, but there was a possibility to maybe become an apprentice someday. The interview went pretty well in my opinion, but he said they had hundreds of other applicants. At this point I'm more interested in joining the navy, since at least it's guaranteed employment and bennies once I'm in, rather than sinking hundreds of hours into job searching and hoping some boomer will answer the phone.

Interesting question that one. The tradcath version before any liturgical changes would be:

Let us pray also for the faithless Jews: that Almighty God may remove the veil from their hearts;[a] so that they too may acknowledge Jesus Christ our Lord. ['Amen' is not responded, nor is said 'Let us pray', or 'Let us kneel', or 'Arise', but immediately is said:] Almighty and eternal God, who dost not exclude from thy mercy even Jewish faithlessness: hear our prayers, which we offer for the blindness of that people; that acknowledging the light of thy Truth, which is Christ, they may be delivered from their darkness. Through the same Jesus Christ our Lord, who liveth and reigneth with thee in the unity of the Holy Spirit, God, for ever and ever. Amen.[9]

With partial liturgical changes it is:

Let us pray also for the faithless Jews: that almighty God may remove the veil from their hearts; so that they too may acknowledge Jesus Christ our Lord. Let us pray. Let us kneel. [pause for silent prayer] Arise. Almighty and eternal God, who dost not exclude from thy mercy even Jewish faithlessness: hear our prayers, which we offer for the blindness of that people; that acknowledging the light of thy Truth, which is Christ, they may be delivered from their darkness. Through the same our Lord Jesus Christ, who liveth and reigneth with thee in the unity of the Holy Spirit, God, for ever and ever. Amen.

As much as I dislike Substack, I'll give fair where fair is due - that was a fairly entertaining and educational read. Thank you for that.

I mean, is this a peptide? Do you have a name?

Particularly bizarre given that Jews don't believe that Jesus was the messiah. Why would any Christian be so passionately devoted to people who dispute one of their most fundamental beliefs?

Aren’t the user viewpoint focuses supposed to be based on nomination?

Sure, but computer programmers are what, 80% male? That's my guess without submitting to artificial mental retardation, whether through a search engine or not. Last I checked, a (slim)majority of (employed)women were employed as k-12 teachers or registered nurses.

I'm entirely prepared to believe the statement 'men and butch lesbians shouldn't take time off work to have a kid'- that's their wife's job. The jobs feminine women perform don't care about three year resume gaps if there's a kid involved.

What liturgical book is that from?