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EverythingIsFine
Well, is eventually fine
14hr ago
Oh, absolutely not, that's partly why I'm firmly a one-state solution advocate. Not that I have any power other than moral judgement, of course.
DirtyWaterHotDog
14hr ago
Are Gazans starving ? Not yet at least. Not in the way we understand starving. At 5.8%, that would put it alongside stable middle-economy nations like Mexico, Thailand and Brazil. Most of Africa & the Indian Subcontinent are doing twice as worse. Gaza's tragedies, like Ukraine over-reported in comparison to mundane everyday evil that kills more people everywhere else.
how much Israel can torture the civilians before there is sufficient moral pressure to make them stop
What's left? To viewers on social media, Israel is already conducting a holocaust-esque genocide. Facts be damned. I imagine Israel can keep going for much longer, because Hamas has milked social media sympathy for all its worth. The only pressure that matters comes from the State department or Israel's population. A change of heart of either group will come from a frustration with the ineffectiveness of how the war is run, rather than any moral calculus.
EverythingIsFine
Well, is eventually fine
14hr ago
Maybe this Virginia state lawmaker candidate who livestreamed sex with her husband in the past?
Tiber727
14hr ago
GamerGate: Leaderless movement where some Republican strategist came along after it started and made some remarks suggesting he wanted to capitalize on it for political gain, which the left ran with to claim him as a mastermind of a Twitter mob. Side note: I like to compare this to claiming Putin controlled BLM because he supposedly had some trolls online try to fan it to increase fragmentation in America.
Tea Party: Fair that I don't remember how much central planning, but to my recollection there was no leader, more comparable to current Trump protests where they say they're protesting on X date, please come.
BLM: My point in this was that said group that co-opted it was irrelevant to it being a movement.
The will of the electorate is what I'm talking about. If you can define a "will" and a group that possesses that will, you have a group that you can discuss. Leaders are irrelevant for this purpose. BLM is a group with demands, and I can support or rebut its ideas because they are definable enough to discuss. If BLM came along and said, "We're not a group because we came here independently and we're not trying to do anything (this claim is only made when trying to dodge criticism)" then people are free to call bullshit. If they don't want to be named that doesn't stop anyone from coming up with a name for them. If that name sticks then the lesson here is to get better at PR rather than whining that you should be uniquely immune to needing PR. Control the message or you will be controlled by it.
Is the implication here that anyone with a college education is woke?
No, the implication is that it's disproportionate. The consultants and the marketers believed that their view was correct (primarily morally and secondarily financially, and the former biases to believe the latter) and BLM in particular gave them the opportunity to sell it to their bosses as profitable. Again, conspiracy and coordination are not required, merely enough people doing a similar thing at a similar time.
WhiningCoil
Ghost of Quokka's Future
14hr ago
The etruscans predominately were not enslaved and conquered
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman%E2%80%93Etruscan_Wars
Rome was the eventual victor in the wars and the last Etruscan resistance was crushed in 264 BC when Volsinii was destroyed after a slave revolt. The Etruscans were assimilated into Roman culture and Rome became one of the Mediterranean superpowers amongst the Greeks and the Carthaginians, though the Etruscan language survived for another 300 years (until the early first century AD).
Maybe you have some rosy ideas about what iron age "assimilation" looked like. But coming from the civilization that made "Vae Victus" a household phrase, I doubt it resembled an American "Melting Pot" too closely. I think it's safe to say they were conquered and had their cultural identity destroyed.
sun_the_second
could survive a COD lobby and a gay furry discord server
14hr ago
There is nothing I've seen that would indicate that people somehow became not ok with it once the ratio went slightly over 10 to 1. Rather it seemed to be that Israel became mainstream news, that's all. People whose special interest was the Israel-Palestine conflict have been harping about "genocidal settlers" well before the war.
Mantergeistmann
14hr ago
that's because what, 1200 Israelis died, and they've killed more than 12,000. We're up to what, almost 60k?
You really can't compare raw numbers, given a) Israel tried to keep its own people alive, b) Hamas tries to put its own people in harms way, c) the war is being fought in Gaza and not in Israel proper, and d) Israel is the stronger faction. Nobody would say, "Well, only X US soldiers and civilians were killed in Pearl Harbor, and now that the US is winning in the Philippines, the casualty ratio is shifting significantly, that means the US is doing warfare wrong and needs to sue for peace".
Thoroughlygruntled
14hr ago
A little bit of all three. The cost of legal services are unnaturally inflated by law schools and bar associations seeking to maintain the exclusivity of the profession and locking many simple services that could be performed by the client with maybe the help of a paralegal or online platform.
At the same time, law can also be very complicated, and something like going to trial is always going to be expensive simply due to the complexity and man hours required. The combination of high level research, writing, and public speaking skills required for quality litigation is rare and commands a high premium.
Certain aspects of law practice can also be very time-intensive and very expensive for thr attorneys involved. Going to court involves a lot of sitting around and waiting where you cant realistically do any other work. That's hourly time the client has to pay for. Expert witnesses, court reporters, private investigators, and the like also command steep rates, so while the big check might be made out to the law firm, a lot of that money is going right back out the door to these third party contractors. Often, you're not just hiring a lawyer. You're hiring a lawyer, his support team, multiple subject matter experts, an e-discovery vendor, graphic designers to create exhibits, etc.
EverythingIsFine
Well, is eventually fine
14hr ago
Does Israel actually want to be the ones distributing aid? It was my impression that they kind of like the current situation, where Gaza mostly starves but it's not their fault directly (they can blame the UN and other NGOs for doing a bad job of distribution inside Gaza, which is admittedly an awful job with terrible logistics and security implications).
hydroacetylene
14hr ago
That offer is not in the pipeline for the Palestinians.
hydroacetylene
14hr ago
The etruscans predominately were not enslaved and conquered, they joined Rome as Allies like other italic peoples. And while the Gauls were conquered, the majority of the population remained intact and Gallic-speaking until after the edict of Caracalla granted them citizenship.
Browser
14hr ago
I don't deny their second-class within Israel but is an independent Palestine likely to develop living conditions that are on aggregate better?
The_Nybbler
In the game of roller derby, women aren't just the opposing team; they're the ball.
14hr ago
Do you really believe that if Israël fell the entire citizen population wouldn’t be welcomed into the west with open arms?
If Israel fell, it would because the West (including the US in particular) had decided it was the bad guy, and no, the entire citizen population would not be welcomed under those circumstances.
Browser
14hr ago
If Hamas laid down their arms and initiated an actual unconditional surrender Gaza would likely be a below-median but perfectly functional part of Israel within a decade. Vice-versa hahahaha.
Browser
14hr ago
Probably would be some scruples about the orthodox population since they're not the most enthused net contributors
EverythingIsFine
Well, is eventually fine
14hr ago
To be clear, you think that Gazans aren't starving, and the population is growing, during the war? What a strange take. (Statistically anyways in the pre-war period it's quite possible for a subset to starve while a different subset is above-replacement fertile, so I kind of wonder if you're just conflating headlines)
In the interest of full disclosure, I've sat down to write a reply to you three times now, and the previous two time I ended up figuratively crumpling the reply up and throwing it away in frustration because I'm getting the impression that you didn't actually read or try to engage with my post so much as just skimmed it looking for nits to pick.
Let me go back to this:
Imagine that you are someone who is deeply interested in space flight. You spend hours of your day thinking seriously about Orbital Mechanics and the implications of Relativity. One day you hear about a community devoted to discussing space travel and are excited at the prospect of participating. But when you get there what you find is a Star Trek fan-forum that is far more interested in talking about the Heisenberg compensators on fictional warp-drives than they are Hohmann transfers, thrust to ISP curves, or the effects on low-gravity on human physiology. That has essentially been my experience trying to discuss "Artificial Intelligence" with the rationalist community.
I hope you realise you are more on the side of the Star Trek fan-forum user than the aerospace engineering enthusiast. Your post was basically the equivalent of saying a Soyuz rocket is propelled by gunpowder and then calling the correction a nitpick. I don't care for credentialism, but I am a machine learning engineer who's actually deep in the weeds when it comes to training the kind of models we're talking about, and I can safely say that none of the arguments made in your post have any more technical merit than the kind of Lesswrong post you criticise.
In any case, to quote Dijkstra, "the question of whether Machines Can Think is about as relevant as the question of whether Submarines Can Swim". Despite their flaws, LLMs are being used to solve real-world problems daily, are used in an agentic manner, and I have never seen any research done by people obsessing over whether or not they are truly "intelligent" yield any competing alternative or actual upgrade to their capabilities.
hydroacetylene
14hr ago
I mean, senior partners routinely bill out at double thé rate of junior partners. And associates/junior partners bill at about double the rate of a high end plumbing or HVAC company. Law school is basically meritocratic and has no shortage of spots, but there’s a brutal prestige hierarchy.
JTarrou
14hr ago
And apparently that's the skillset that wins the presidency.
What's your point?
EverythingIsFine
Well, is eventually fine
14hr ago
It's kind of incredible how the Vietnam war has seemed to fade so quickly from the public consciousness over the last decade or two. Maybe deserves a main thread post at some point.
Browser
14hr ago
Yes it is? There's a sizeable Israeli Arab population. Cease the nonsense and they'd be better off
WhiningCoil
Ghost of Quokka's Future
14hr ago
It might be an exaggeration to say they were all genocided, many merely had their cultural identity destroyed through enslavement and conquest.
You win the prize! You are the 3rd person in this thread to tell me something I already know and said! Have a star.
The_Nybbler
In the game of roller derby, women aren't just the opposing team; they're the ball.
15hr ago
To me this underscores that a one-state solution is actually the only plausible solution with a degree of stability or peace.
Yes, the peace of the mass grave for the Jews. Although the Palestinians, once they are done with that, will probably start warring with their neighbors.
hydroacetylene
15hr ago
And how much of that is useless Russian citizenship?
Do you really believe that if Israël fell the entire citizen population wouldn’t be welcomed into the west with open arms? The west needs young taxpayers, which Israël has.
With all due respect, man, it sounds to me like you want a philosophy course, not a story. Going into the kinds of details you are demanding would be boring. I neither need nor want a meticulously thought out explanation of how the Puppet Master thinks (nor anything else you mentioned), that would just make the story a slog that very few people would want to watch/read.
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