domain:freddiedeboer.substack.com
ControlsFreak
2m ago
The Bailey is "I hear about [extensive compliance] from my friends in literally every other industry ever. They still seem capable of operating."
This is a true statement about the world, not an outrageous claim, newfriend. You may be thinking that those words mean something other than those words mean. What are you thinking they mean?
My own consistent position is that this regulation is a small advance that is inconsequential by itself but proceeds in a direction that is ultimately incompatible with innovation and that assenting to it is a slippery slope.
Great! We can surely then have a reasoned discussion about the nature of slippery slope arguments, trying to understand when they hold, to what extent they hold, and whether the premises required for them to have force are present here. I have never objected to the concept of a slippery slope arguments, but it does need some something behind it, otherwise it leaves us vulnerable to just any crazy extrapolation of anything in any domain. We probably wouldn't respond to, "Gay marriage is a slippery slope to marrying dogs!" with, "H-yup. All slippery slope arguments are perfectly valid and correct in all conclusions."
The_Nybbler
Does not have a yacht
3m ago
If the blue tribe needs red tribe warm bodies to fight blue tribe battles, most likely Red will just respond to calls to patriotism. But if they don't, there's always force (the draft).
The_Nybbler
Does not have a yacht
4m ago
If you're going to just ignore everything I wrote
I'm not ignoring it, I'm rejecting it. I'm saying requirements to fly an aircraft have frozen in place because FAA regs froze them in place.
I'm not going to argue about the specific regulations because that's implicitly accepting that the regulatory framework is a good thing, and I think it's a bad thing.
johnfabian
7m ago
Somewhat related, Scottie Scheffler has been on the biggest tear golf has seen since prime Tiger; in late March/April he won four out of five tournaments in a row and narrowly missed winning the fifth - some $20ish million in winnings. All this while his wife was 8+ months pregnant; I can't find speculation as to what the precise due date was but comments from him seemed to suggest late April so now she's overdue. He is skipping the big money event this week but more to the point he was very vocal that if his wife went into labour he would step off the course mid-round. He said this also applied if he was leading in the last round of the Masters (which he won comfortably). Now it's not a team sport (besides I suppose the caddy) but the question is essentially would he potentially compromise his individual legacy as a golfer to be with his wife during labour.
Tits_Mcgruff
8m ago
Huh? The point is that they’d have to at least be legal adults for the mum to be saying that. The reason the mum wants them to fuck off is cause the daughter is a fucking psycho who the mum doesn't want to be around. It doesn’t really matter if they come from a culture where they normally kick their kids out at 18 or 30.
jkf
9m ago
Just make IoT doodad manufacturers liable for bad things that happen with them and the problem will sort itself out, no state intervention with the potential for universal surveillance and totalitarian control needed.
How about a government funded Red Team who's raison d'etre is taking out insecure household devices? Could be a nice cyber-warfare bootcamp; I can certainly think of worse uses for government funds. The problem with letting the market take its course is that IoT devices are a low-value target for black hattery -- classic case for governments protecting the commons!
It's literally TheMotte.
The fact that it's the wrong way around was remarked on at the time, newfriend.
But let me clarify since you're confused:
The Motte is "epsilon regulation doesn't instantly kill 100% of innovation", a very defensible claim. The Bailey is "I hear about [extensive compliance] from my friends in literally every other industry ever. They still seem capable of operating.", a controversial statement.
My own consistent position is that this regulation is a small advance that is inconsequential by itself but proceeds in a direction that is ultimately incompatible with innovation and that assenting to it is a slippery slope. I therefore oppose it in principle, much like I oppose other regulation that lead in the direction of encroachment of things that I cherish, no matter how reasonable it is.
You may say there are "reasonable" limits we can impose on free speech as well. I still oppose them no matter how reasonable they are.
You may then argue that slippery slope arguments are fallacious, to which I'll retort that they are only so when the slope isn't slippery, and that we have a veritable orgy of historical evidence that smaller regulation almost always lead to larger regulation.
sodiummuffin
16m ago
Yes, I've heard about examples like that as well where the characters aren't even underage and there isn't even any real justification for calling them underage, and obviously they are a particularly telling example of the censor's mindset. (I'm reminded of how Patreon will periodically go after anime-style porn, like this pornographic animation of Hex Maniac, based on criteria that would include anything in an anime art style.) But I wouldn't call those cases the vast majority, a lot of censored visual novels are high-school romances and the like. It's just that standard is unjustifiable as well.
some
16m ago
When they visit their parent’s home, the mum makes it clear she doesn’t either of them to move back in.
In non-Anglo countries people leave their nest later. In Poland, on average, if the mum expected they would back in, it would merely mean they are under 27.4. A test which expects such autonomy from characters to consider them adults, would have a high false negative rate when applied to media not produced in the Anglo cultural milieu.
This ties to my point that "perceived to be a minor" is culturally dependent and subjective.
IGI-111
19m ago
A Sopwith Camel fits in a garage and can take off and land on a piece of uneven land 300m long. And that's with 1910s technology. Central Park is three times larger.
The reason we have long runways for planes these days is because they are optimized for speed and drag, not lift. Which means they have weak landing gear and swept wings.
We had flying cars, we have the technology, they're just illegal to operate.
hydroacetylene
22m ago
IIRC the actual plan was to send FBI agents to infiltrate tradcath communities and hope they would squeal on other far right wingers, not something based on the idea that tradcaths were going to start a race war themselves. It’s hard not to notice that FBI agents would likely stand out quite a bit less among broadly middle class and socially conservative suburbanite tradcaths than among, say, prison Nazis or deep rural militia types.
My community’s source in the DHS tells us that this plan failed because the agents just kept going native.
jkf
24m ago
Whatever man -- that's the reason, and she's not wrong. "Turn up the heat" is an interesting approach to dealing with evaporative cooling -- if there were a (metaphorical) retort somewhere capturing all of the quality people who've had enough around here, it's getting to the point where that would be a better place to hang out.
ControlsFreak
28m ago
If you're going to just ignore everything I wrote, then we're probably not going to make any progress. Perhaps we could leave this tangent where it is, and you can actually specify your claim, so that we can determine whether this tangent is even meaningful to your actual claim. Or if, ya know, you're just whining about the world.
Or, of course, you could read what I wrote and actually respond to it. You could show your expertise in flight navigation and control, particularly with regards to automation technology. You could make an argument that actually competes with mine, in order to show that I have mistaken some points of fact or something. What is non-responsive is just pure imagination about hypothetical alternative realities, completely disconnected from any facts about the world.
hydroacetylene
29m ago
Desantis and Abbott are conservative a-listers, though.
Jiro
29m ago
Writing "X is an ugly pig" on the blackboard is writing it where X is likely to see it. The list was private and only exposed to the public by the authorities.
hydroacetylene
30m ago
Sure, but the country does need things from the red tribe- like being willing to join the army during a general shortage of blue collar male labor- that the red tribe can just withhold if they feel like they aren’t getting a fair shake.
hydroacetylene
32m ago
I’d have expected that prestige media shuts up because diversity statements make them mildly uncomfortable and conservative media crows because diversity statements are obviously dumb, and that a few lefty rags publish an angry op Ed every now and then but otherwise don’t focus on it because they’re distracted by Palestine protests.
That sounds like basically what happened.
ControlsFreak
33m ago
the user isn't reading the 100-page manual that probably already warns about this.
I don't believe any user manuals actually warn about any of these things. The manufacturers simply do not care about security, because they don't have to, be it built-in, in manuals, or in advertisements.
it's not as easy as "just make the device idiot-proof, like toasters!"
Totally and completely agreed. I started off saying that one way we could fix this is to do something extremely simple, like banning default passwords. No manufacturer is going to put on their box whether they have a default password or not, so many consumers aren't going to know.
There has been some efforts in the US to create a Cyber Trust mark, where that is an indication that they have been built to some sort of standards (that aren't that far off from these regulations). This is a plausible approach, though we likely won't see whether it would have been effective (are consumers going to be paying close attention for this mark on a box full of ten other certification marks?), because they're probably just all going to bring their devices up to the UK standard. Could have been an approach, though.
Jiro
34m ago
When I think back 10-20-30 years nobody would give a shit about this at all. Sailor Moon would be re-edited for American audiences now with more modest clothing
You are unfamiliar with Sailor Moon censorship. And they actually did edit the art during the transformation sequences.
ControlsFreak
38m ago
Drone regulation went from zero to some. We could debate the merits of specifics there, as well, but does anyone seriously hold that, after having gone from zero to some drone regulation, all innovation in drones is crushed to zero, that everything is doomed and that nothing can be saved?
In any event, drones have different concerns than manned aircraft. I wholly expect that a detailed discussion about the similarities/differences would be rich and fruitful, but what is not rich and fruitful is observing that drone regulation has gone from zero to some and concluding that it must be impossible that the FAA is opening up to alternative navigation and control systems for manned aircraft, especially since the conclusion is factually false.
The_Nybbler
Does not have a yacht
39m ago
If the FAA hadn't foreclosed it all at the start by freezing the technology in place with regulations we might indeed live in a different world already. If the NHTSA existed back when the model T was current, we might need checklists for driving cars and have regulations based on needing to turn a crank to start.
ControlsFreak
41m ago
Understood and agreed. We'd then have to shift to a discussion about the theory of slippery slopes and regulation dynamics. I don't think @The_Nybbler is open to that discussion yet. He thinks that "there's no point" in discussing anything like that; once we've crossed epsilon, all is doomed, and nothing can be saved. If he'd like to walk back that claim and actually have a detailed and reasonable discussion about what happens after we cross epsilon, I am here and waiting, but he has to agree to those terms rather than constantly immediately shifting back to claiming that once you cross epsilon, all is doomed and nothing can be saved.
Security for devices for the defense industry is one of those reasons, but I think household devices would be mostly outside their purview.
More options
Context Copy link