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The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1m ago
Trump's most fascist things are where the Democrats don't even really oppose him (industrial policy, basically). Other than that, Trump's not a fascist. He hasn't suspended the Constitution; talk is cheap and politicians engage in it all the time. It's not in any way, shape, or form a violation of the constitution or 'fascist' to talk about running for a third term.
fmac
Ask me about bike lanes
4m ago
I mean while I find left-Pearl clutching over Nazi claims extremely tiresome, you did literally say "Bring on the nazis"
I guess you're more of a "subtle acceptance" than a "full throated supporter" but still, you didn't exactly make it hard for him there lol
Bartender_Venator
7m ago
Yeah I'm not debating your wider point, just couldn't let the amusement of the Hlynka point go. Something I do notice is that non-liberal anti-HBDers tend to end up getting a lot more emotionally het up about it (sometimes, not in the case of the mods here, but sometimes jumping straight into outright dishonesty, like Michael Lind). It's understandable, in that the threat is coming from inside the tribe and so can't be instantly dismissed as liberal anti-HBDers prefer.
magicalkittycat
8m ago
To give the other side of the coin it’s due, Nick Fuentes and Myron Gaines are not super influential outside of far far right politics.
Gaines I'd accept given some of the comments of "who?" and he is a relatively new influencer (although 1.5 million in a few years would be evidence of the Nazism growing) but Fuentes seems to be pretty well known in political communities.
Tucker is still sorta mainstream, though he’s not really on public airwaves or mainstream cable.
He runs one of the most popular podcasts in the US! Sometimes, as recent as last year, he has even had more than Joe Rogan
So it might not be "mainstream" by some restrictive definitions but there is a lot of momentum here!
fmac
Ask me about bike lanes
8m ago
Once you accept some level of HBD, the next discussion is finding the policy implications, usually in the context of how to make effective and humane public policy in an HBD world. This is both wonky/unsexy discussion, and also fairly depressing for anyone who likes good policy and dislikes race wars
This is profoundly interesting. Aside from digging into the archives here, know anywhere to read about this?
RenOS
something is wrong
9m ago
Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 is pretty good if you don't mind some wokery that snuck its way in.
This always mystifies me, one of the selling points of KC:D 1 was that it used an unapologetically realist approach to the portrayal of medieval life. Not that it actually is perfectly realistic, but it at least tried to avoid the modernist left-wing lens. The author also took a clear stand against some ridiculous demands.
... And then for 2 he completely changes his tune. Henry and Hans gay, is already funny, but a coming out scene to his (by then dead) parents and they accept it. Musa lecturing the player on women's right and the player just has to take it, that's just lol. Women repeatedly outdoing the main char. Literal quote from the CEO:
Vávra made some unfortunate statements about the absence of black people in Bohemia when releasing KCD1 because he lacked PR experience.
Just why, you're already sucessful, why sell out so blatantly? It makes no sense, yet it happens repeatedly.
Iconochasm
2. Bootstrap the rest of the fucking omnipotence.
10m ago
Glad that's established.
There appears to be about 1,000-10,000 pro-Hamas left for every neonazi on the right, with vastly more institutional support. The left has rising star politicians that refuse to condemn Hamas, and strongly hint at open support. Their controlled institutions, like the unviersities, openly support and coddle Hamas partisans. Their biggest influencers, like Hasan Piker, openly support the mass murder of Jews and cheer on literal, organizationally-continuous-from-the-1930's NDSAP allies.
So do you agree that the left has ten thousand times the nazi problem that the right does, right? Or are you engaging in some sort of Terryology math?
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
10m ago
Look up /u/darwin2500.
birb_cromble
12m ago
I think there was a suggestion for Harriet Tubman years ago. I think a gun toting Republican woman of color would please and enrage enough people that it would be a nice compromise.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
14m ago
Tucker Carlson is big but did not "openly deny the holocaust"; he merely had a guest on his show who did.
Bartender_Venator
14m ago
Yes, you are a different kind of troll from a leftist concern troll, but not a particularly original or interesting one. I notice no rebuttal on the other points?
fmac
Ask me about bike lanes
15m ago
insisting that it must be false, and stepping on rake after rake in the process.
This is why I commented, this sounds hilarious and I'm sad I missed it
I'll see if ChatGPT can find threads with good argument density later when I'm not working
07mk
16m ago
Let me second Southkraut's comment and say that, if this serves as evidence for you, then this comment of yours along with the rest of your comments on this thread have convinced me more than ever that Nazism being a problem in the right is basically entirely the invention of motivated reasoning by their political enemies. This is due to seeing the type of reasoning that you employ that leads you to such a conclusion.
magicalkittycat
17m ago
Honestly, yeah. Those are signals of tribal allegiance - signals of belonging to the right-wing vanguard. Nobody really gives a shit about in how far the Holocaust really happened,
That doesn't seem to match the behavior and words of conservative influencers like Ben Shapiro, Seth Dillon, EW Erickson, Dinesh D'Souza etc unless your argument is that even the conservatives who claim to be against Nazism are lying and don't actually care.
Very pessimistic view of modern conservativism IMO. I disagree with it, I think most conservatives still are opposed to neonazism. But I suppose I can't prove they aren't all lying about it.
Iconochasm
2. Bootstrap the rest of the fucking omnipotence.
19m ago
Hanania is not an "established rightwinger". He's a purportedly recovered racist troll whose whole schtick is leveraging his experience as being a shitstain of a person to shit-talk the right in exchange for goodboy grifter points from the left.
magicalkittycat
20m ago
I'm asking for clarification. He literally said
"I might as well be one" is understandable to him.
This is basically saying "I am a Nazi" but of course in good faith I assume that the large majority of people I interact with are not Nazis. I suppose I could interact in bad faith and just assume he literally means it and has embraced Nazism if you prefer.
magicalkittycat
22m ago
I agree.
Neither the Hamas left side or the neonazi right side seem to be good spaces for Jews. They are safer with non violent moderates of any belief than the violence loving bigoted extremists even on "their own side"
ArjinFerman
Tinfoil Gigachad
24m ago
That's not answering my question. You've been caught several times omitting essential context, or misportraying things from your own links. When it's pointed out, you promptly disappear, only to start another post where you do the exact same thing again. Why?
magicalkittycat
24m ago
you just can’t pretend like this is a massive problem on the right when in the last six months, there have been multiple left‑aligned incidents that are as bad or worse.
As the meme goes, porque no los dos? In fact antisemitism is one of the things often used for Horseshoe theory, so the idea that it could be a major issue on the right too doesn't contradict any claims that it's also an issue on the left.
magicalkittycat
28m ago
Look just because Nick Fuentes or Candace Owens denies the Holocaust, or Tucker Carlson "keeps asking questions" about if it was really that bad or because Myron Gaines says he really likes Hitler and denounces the "woke Jews", it doesn't mean all conservatives are to be blamed and should be denounced as Nazis.
Tons of established right wing names like EWErickson, Seth Dillon, Ben Shapiro, Hanania, Dinesh D'Souza, etc have called out the growing nazi problem in various ways. They don't deserve blame for a thing they didn't do and for things they don't believe just because others tangently related do.
magicalkittycat
30m ago
Hey you can look them up for yourself and see that stuff like Torba and Myron Gaine's posts are literally still there on X.
magicalkittycat
31m ago
You are trolling. A faux-naive/faux-serious description of "Richard Hanania, writer of 'The Origins of Woke'" could be a little flourish one time, twice makes it pretty obvious you're trying to build a schtick.
It's a great way to establish that these aren't "leftist concern trolls" but conservative aligned names with proven history in right wing spaces. Hanania, Ben Shapiro, Seth Dillon, etc are all established conservative leaning names who are against this rising Nazi radicalism.
magicalkittycat
34m ago
I could argue the semantics of "Nazi" but given that the term has almost entirely lost relevance in the modern day and is equivalent to "people on a political side I don't like" as pointed out by others in this thread, let's take the bog standard meat and potatoes definition: members of the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei who held political dominance and control in Germany and whose expansionist policies, among other things, led to the outbreak of the European chunk of World War 2.
Yes if you pick highly restrictive definition and choose to not include things like "People who literally call themselves Nazis" like Mark Robinson, or "People who are openly saying Hitler was good" like Gaines then yeah, it's gonna look really silly.
stuckinbathroom
38m ago
Ironically I get huge “hitler in the bunker / battle of Berlin” vibes from these increasingly shrill and desperate progressives who keep spamming the “hitler” button hoping to score a critical hit.
“Mit dem Angriff Steiners wird das alles in Ordnung kommen.”
“Mein Führer … Steiner …”
He promoted Trump over Harris, wrote a whole book on being anti-woke, contributed to the Heritage Foundation's project 2025, was called a friend by JD Vance back in 2021, and was on Tucker Carlson Tonight twice
Hanania has a very well established right wing conservative history. Maybe you think he no longer counts, but that just makes him an example of someone who got pushed away.
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