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The places where it's acceptable to ask a woman out keep narrowing. Can't do it at work - HR complaint. Can't do it at the gym. Can't do it at her work thats icky.
Worst of all, you go to ask her out and she films her rejection, and its put online for you to be mocked - Some Gen Z Men Are So Scared of Getting Filmed They’ve Stopped Dating - People are using others’ dating fails to gain clout — and it’s having a chilling effect on young mens’ love lives [https://metro.co.uk/2025/12/05/millennial-men-blamed-dating-crisis-one-lazy-reason-25146072/]
Oh, have the wrong book and she won't be dating you https://www.dazeddigital.com/life-culture/article/66662/1/liking-any-of-these-10-books-is-an-immediate-red-flag-lolita-american-psycho
Or maybe she just wants you to spend an excessive amount on her https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/relationships/sex/the-2000-dating-rule-to-avoid-frightful-sex-syndrome-from-men/news-story/e22cb2c108507d006ceaa2629fa9a3e9
Have an awkward date, then she might badmouth you on tea app to every woman around. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-08-30/one-of-the-most-popular-apps-in-the-us-is-fuelling-a-gender-war/105706068
But, yeah its mens fault dating is a mess ....
It’s my understanding that the Tea app was removed from the Apple store. Has that changed?
It's been removed because it was hacked. No doubt there are other apps being used for the same thing.
Facebook groups are used as well https://www.businessinsider.com/man-sues-27-women-negative-dating-posts-facebook-defamation-arewedatingthesame-2024-1
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Thanks for the recommendation list!
lol @ spending $2,000 on used goods. A whore that fucks like a prude, indeed.
From "Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman!": Adventures of a Curious Character by Richard Feynman:
And from "Be A Skittles Man" by Chateau Heartiste:
The biggest tragedy of the whole PUA scene is that all those guru book authors learn all those tricks that work on women, but then many of them fail to learn tricks that work on men. So they come off as blowhards with their heads so far up their asses that few want to learn anything from them.
My working theory is that PUA/TRP is unpopular largely not because men don't want to be the Skittles guy. They don't want to be like Chateau Heartiste.
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Been reading some insistent advice on twitter that you can meet women out at dance classes or in book clubs.
I've tried the dance classes, and the gender ratio tends to be skewed towards males... and the women tend to bring their own partners.
So you've got a small pool of available women with a circling school of dudes trying to elbow in. I can see why that'd be daunting for single women, and potentially drive some of them away.
The book club... that's asking for quite a bit of commitment for something that has very small odds of working out, and has some small chance of backfiring.
And even if those were two viable options, its still an indictment that we've so severely narrowed the acceptable arenas to meeting others outside the apps.
When a man discloses such a thing in mixed online spaces, common reactions are:
A man is not supposed to approach dating strategically or with premeditation, for it tarnishes women’s Disneyian conception of romance as a spontaneous, magical phenomenon that Just Happens.
Ding ding ding.
You also have to obscure your motivations... which makes you behave even sketchier!
"Oh no, I just REALLY like discussing early 20th century Gothic literature with this lovely group of 30-something ladies. It has NAUGHT to do with the two hotties sitting over there in the corner wearing the black lipgloss, my thoughts are as pure as the driven snow."
Because as you say, if they dislike the attention, then they have the option of saying "don't invade womens' spaces just to date them, you have to respect their boundaries!" and exiling you without fanfare.
Doesn't matter is some subset of the women absolutely would accept your advances.
That said, I find it painful to dive into activities where the sole motive is trying to partner up. If the activity isn't enjoyable by itself, then I'd just rather not participate.
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What a depressing article on red flag books. Talk about high on your own supply.
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I'm not going to read the article, but just in the URL I can see my wife's two favorite books she made me read.
The book thing is so weird. A female friend has commented that she would kill for a man who doesn't play vidya and reads real books (where real is defined as non-YA and non-self-help). To then try to filter based on whether a man is reading the "correct" non-problematic books is hilariously picky.
I think this is one of those cases where the things people complain about in romantic partners (problematic beliefs in men, women being "crazy" or demanding) are actually more like revealed preference in favor of associated attributes than they are negative judgments.
People complain about downsides belonging to partners they made love to, they aren't even aware of the downsides of those they don't.
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[Does this]
Doesn't seem that complicated to me. There are a bunch of ancillary skills can that make this tolerable, but people who have to take the book advice thing from social media generally don't possess those nor can they realistically develop them at this point.
But leading with that is just kind of a symptom of, like, just being low-quality in general. At least the 6/6/6-seekers [with few other qualifications] are honest about how naked that self-interest is, and are selecting for people who also do that, as they should. It doesn't make for a great marriage, but neither do the "you read wrongthink books" people.
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