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Culture War Roundup for the week of February 23, 2026

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The natural state is that the vast majority of goyim hate them. The fact that some of the boomers actually like them speaks volumes to the effectiveness of propaganda. Without the propaganda the US would probably have had bouts of pogroms. Christians and jews are naturally incompatible. Getting sections of Christians to like jews is an impressive feat of propaganda.

That's a a whole bunch of inflammatory claims for which you have provided zero evidence.

You hate Jews, consider them incompatible with you, and would like to see pogroms. That does not mean you are knowledgeable enough to speak for all other "goyim."

You've been warned about this many times. I know Jew-hating is your shtick, and you do it without even being as interesting as SS. It's just out there, raw repulsive unfiltered vitriol. The thread is obviously meant to engender this kind of discourse but you're responsible for not even bothering to put a veneer of argumentation over your antipathy. I'm not banning you this time because there will be whining about "viewpoint suppression" and really, you differ from SS only in being less intelligent and less cunning. But you're getting an undeserved break here.

Christians and jews are naturally incompatible

But Christians worship a Jew as the son of God? There's a certain kind of esoteric 'And did those feet in ancient time, Walk upon Englands mountains green' Christianity but in terms of base elements, Christianity is pretty Jewish.

But Christians worship a Jew as the son of God? There's a certain kind of esoteric 'And did those feet in ancient time, Walk upon Englands mountains green' Christianity but in terms of base elements, Christianity is pretty Jewish.

A Jew who the Pharisees conspired with Pilate to have crucified because they considered him a false prophet. And modern rabbinic Judaism looks like the intellectual descendant of the Pharisees, not whatever kind of Judaism the historical Jesus practiced. "God the Father sent the Son to the Jews as the Messiah in fulfilment of the old covenant, but the Jews rejected him and then suffered divine punishment and exile in much the same way as when they rejected God on previous occasions" is the simple, obvious interpretation of the Gospel story.

But that is about history and tradition, not religious practice. And lex orandi, lex credendi. At the level of day-to-day religious practice, Christianity is focussed on right belief to the near-total exclusion of ritual purity, whereas Orthodox Judaism is the modern religion that is most focussed on ritual purity.

Is Islam pagan because its origin involved pagan elements and pagan characters? Or is it Jewish because it worships Moses and Abraham?

Jesus Christ is defined by his opposition to the Pharisees who are essentially the progenitors of Rabbinic Judaism, which is what we call Jewish today.

All that remains is the ethnic element, which frankly is tenuous given the distance between the Levantine people of the time and most Jews today.

There's a common cultural ancestry between Abrahamisms, that's really about it.

The Big Guy of Islam is an Arab, not a Jew. The Big Guy of Christianity is a Jewish rabbi, a Jewish fundamentalist populist who (in the doctrine compiled largely by his Jewish disciples) claims that he fulfilled a Jewish prophecy.

Islam has pagan elements with all the djinn and weirdness but its explicitly monotheistic and denounces paganism (Judaism and Christianity too, to a lesser extent). Thus we can judge that on balance it's not pagan. Islam is not keen on pagans at all, they despise pagans and oppress them whenever they have the chance.

It's silly to say that a religion that worships a Jew first and foremost is not Jewish. If the predominant Christian stance today was 'fuck Jews', then it would be a different matter. Instead, it's Christian countries who've been most supportive of Jews, most supportive of Israel.

What's a Jew exactly, in this respect?

There's a sense in which Jesus is a Jew, even a Rabbi, depending on how you play with definitions, but that's not the sense in which he's any part of Rabbinic Judaism.

In the context of the Bible, the core dogma of Christianity, is there any serious debate as to whether Jesus is a Jew or not?

In John 4:22, Jesus says, “You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews.” The use of “we” clearly includes Himself among the Jewish people.

Matthew 1:1 states, “The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham,” establishing His lineage within the Jewish people.

Luke 1:32–33 affirms that Jesus would inherit “the throne of his father David” and reign over “the house of Jacob forever,” linking Him to the Davidic and Jewish royal line.

Hebrews 7:14 confirms, “It is manifest that our Lord came from the tribe of Judah,” underscoring His Jewish tribal identity.

Sounds pretty Jewish to me! Many modern Jewish people have swapped out a lot of haplogroups but they clearly identify as Jews. Others identify them as Jews. Christians identify them as Jews. Lots of peoples have moved back and forth, changed over time. The label fits the bottle. Jesus was Jewish and Christianity worships a Jew, their dogma emphasises this in pretty clear terms.

You didn't answer my question. What is a Jew?

What is an Englishman? A silly question to ask, there are gradations of more and less English depending on context without any single definition being agreed upon. In this context and in all reasonable contexts Jesus is Jewish.

The English are one of the main ethnicities of the British nation who are descendants of the mixture of Anglo-Saxons and Brittonic Roman descendants that formed the main culture of the region now called England since the Norman invasions.

Being English isn't a complicated matter because it's not also a religion and they haven't been scattered in such a way as to dilute their ethnos with many vastly different cultures being claimants to the heritage of the original ones.

Unfortunately this is true of Jews so the question is relevant. Because there are ways in which Jesus is a Jew (such as the original levantine ethnicity) and ways in which he is not (such as followers of rabbinical Judaism).

I believe you're equivocating between these categories to make an essentially nonsensical point.

Is Islam pagan because its origin involved pagan elements and pagan characters?

People who believe those are pagan elements (as opposed to elements corrupted by paganism*) absolutely believe that about Islam. It is one of the most common attacks used against Islam actually.

* In Islam monotheism is ancient and paganism is the degeneration. The Kaaba is supposedly a house built by Abraham and Ishmael and then corrupted by pagan worship and restored by Mohammed. If you don't believe this, the Hajj (which predated Islam) really is just a pagan ceremony that was given a face-lift. There's a reason Muslims insist on it.

Many critics of Islam consider things like the Hajj (which most scholars believe predates Islam) and ritual circling of the meteorite stone embedded in the Kaaba to be pagan, sure. And of course many both Jewish and Muslim critics of Christianity consider aspects of the Trinity to be polytheistic / shirk / etc in character.

Yeah but a lot of the Palestine narrative is built around lending sympathy to fairly radical islamics who should be less preferable than Jews.

They would be, if we weren't decades downstream of anti-imperialist, anti-colonialist education. People know just enough to feel they can slot each group into the appropriate ethical slots.

The Jews are Jim Crow Southerners and the Palestinians at worst are the Nat Turners of the world: righteous freedom fighters (ignore any nasty stuff of course) driven to evil by oppression. Any complaint by Jews that they'll be murdered if they ever give the concessions the other side wants are obviously just a repeat of what the Southern slavers said.

"Natural state" as I understand it would require that the "goyim" know absolutely nothing about jews from things such as cultural background, religion, etc. and form their opinion solely on living alongside them. I am not aware of any such social experiments.

Looking at history it is not difficult for explicitly religious Christians to hate anyone at all who is not Christian. Jews aren't particularly special in that regard.

"Natural state" as I understand it would require that the "goyim" know absolutely nothing about jews from things such as cultural background, religion, etc. and form their opinion solely on living alongside them. I am not aware of any such social experiments.

In medieval times, these social experiments are called China and India. Here, where no one heard about Abrahamic faith, Jews were seen as just another foreign barbarians with strange and ridiculous habits, or just another caste that keeps their customs and rituals for themselves.

In modern times, these experiments are called Thailand, Laos, Cambodia etc. - countries where few people care about Abrahamic scripture or Middle Eastern issues, but know well tourists and travellers from all over developed world. Ask there what tourists are the least welcomed, the answer would be tourists from Asian country named on I (and it is not Iran, Iraq or Indonesia).

The reason Israeli tourists are disliked in non-Muslim parts of Southeast Asia and Latin America and places like Cyprus is simply that they’re largely boorish, annoying, plebeian men fresh with money from their military service and looking to get wasted, laid and cause trouble.

It’s like asking why British tourists have a much worse reputation in Spain and Croatia than in Japan and America; the former are of a very different class and standard of behavior. American working class soldiers have a very bad reputation in eg Okinawa and parts of the Philippines for harassing women etc.

Interesting. Specifically Israeli tourists, as opposed to "American with sidelocks"?

I have heard this too. For corroborating/conflicting information, you can go to /r/Israel and read stories by Israelis of how terribly they were treated by the locals on vacation.

Few "Americans with sidelocks" are likely to go backpacking through SE Asia. It is specifically Israeli tourists who have well earned reputation of super-hyper-duper assholes (and not only in this part of the world).

Secular Westerners and Jews are not incompatible, though. In fact, it seems to me that many secular westerners cannnot even identify jews as such. Maybe post-WW2 Germany is a little extreme an example, in that the Jews did their best to not stand out and the Germans did their best not to notice them anymore and we're a bunch of ethnic mongrels in the first place, but by now most Germans wouldn't even know how to spot a Jew if they don't see him coming out of the synagogue with a kippa on his head.

In a homogenously Christian society Jews are easy to spot and are incompatible with the Christians. In a secular, atomized and individualist society, it is otherwise.

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