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Is there an element of convenience here?
It's much easier to arrest the one guy (who's, let's be real, more likely to respect police authority) than the three guys who'll go all tribal. It still has the effect of ending the altercation. The three guys will process cop and guy= white, two us = black, three, therefore, attack
I think that's behind a lot of two-tier policing; not hating white people, but enforcing the laws that are easy to enforce on the people who will capitulate.
That’s even worse. Sorry we imported a bunch of third world people who commit violence at higher rates. Besides having to live with that, we will arrest you when they attack you because it’s much easier to arrest you who won’t resist too much whereas they might heavily resist.
How is this not waging the culture war? Possibly I have misunderstood the ethos of this weekly thread.
Third world people do in fact commit crimes at higher rates compared to natives. Do you disagree?
Two tier policing in the UK has been noted for awhile. This is yet another example.
Do you disagree?
Your blanket generalization of "third world people" is the kind of vague wording that could mean not quite anything, but is loaded and not in the spirit of "speaking clearly, saying what you mean." The term "natives" as well, though perhaps this is a code word for white Britons. Your post to me seemed to be a throwaway bitter, we-all-know-what-we-mean response of the type I used to see on reddit, rather than the type of meaningful contribution you are capable of (even if you were to make the same points) and I would like to think is the distinctive quality of this site.
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It seems a valid observation of the kind of dynamics this will inevitably introduce.
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Don't forget to click the report button.
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I agree this is waging the culture war.
You recently said something along the lines of “I like the west except its people”
Some are more equal than others, around here.
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Yes, that's true. There's much I like about the west. For example the institutions are great in theory but the people around them lead to them rotting and withering from inside.
Singapore for instance basically copied British Insitutitons on Independence and has done really really well over the last 70 years while the UK has just declined. The institutions are the same in both places, the only difference is the people, and that's where the divergence in fortunes comes from.
I was just stating a fact, not trying to wage culture war.
Are they really tho? Do they have the same tax rate?
Would the Singaporean institutions allow the grooming gangs that developed in the UK in the last few decades? Or a Jimmy Saville celebrity character to blatantly abuse a bunch of kids? I see Singaporeans can get jail time for hate tweets as well.
Jail for man who posed as 'SharonLiew86' to send racially offensive tweets
Is it really just a people difference? Would singaporean institutions react in exactly the same way if they were faced with the same influx of immigrants that are prone to grooming vulnerable teenage girls? Or they wouldn't because Singaporean cops are more efficient enforcers of the institutions' spirit?
Isn't selecting people that can make the institutions work also part of an institution? The Catholic Church is not just the Bible and the rules for how things are organized, it's also selecting men that will take chastity vows to be priest. Without that rule, the institution would look different.
Now, if the Singaporean institutions are the same as the British ones, are they also selecting for cops that will turn a blind eye to grooming gangs or will cover them up in the name of racial harmony?
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What is it you don't like about western people?
To wit, this is another video by the same channel that recorded the arrest OP is talking about; pick a random start point and watch this for a collage of how these sorts of people behave: https://youtube.com/watch?v=XOWLnLNWKAw
And now realize that I, a well adjusted, highly productive member of society gets taxed close to 50% to subsidize these people so they can continue to behave in the way they do right now. Any reasonable person would develop a dislike.
This is just about the lower classes, but other justifiable reasons also exist for those above these people on the social stratum.
As you point out yourself later in the comment, this is cherry-picking the dregs of society. Actually Singapore is majority Chinese, so I'm guessing (as per standard HBD thinking) their dregs would behave better. But then, the original context of your comment was about the demographic replacement of Western White Americans by Latinos, whose dregs I assume behave even worse (as per standard HBD thinking - also those cartel atrocity videos like Funky Town come to mind)
Could you expand on this? I'm guessing you are thinking of Western "degeneracy" here (feminism, gay marriage, gender-affirming care, soft-on-crime policies, etc), but I won't put words in your mouth.
Right, but stepping back a little, all of this (your job, your home, etc) doesn't exist without the UK - which was (mostly) built by White people, and who play an essential role in maintaining it the present day.
If we look at the rest of the world, empirically it seems that non-(White/East Asian) races, on a group level, are unable to build or even maintain high civilisation (Singapore didn't just "copy British Insitutitons on Independence", it is also ~75% Han Chinese!) - importantly, even if you are a talented individual, you still need to go to a 1st world country to get a well-paid job (as I understand it, this is why you are here in the UK)
And there's also a bunch of "personality" things that are nice: politeness, honesty, quietness, individualism, etc.
So I argue that you should like the Western peoples, because as a group they allow you to realise your talents and enjoy a much higher quality of life than you would have had if they had never existed in the first place.
I guess I'm basically just asking the cliched "if you hate it so much here, why don't you just go back to where you came from?", but in good faith as a non-rhetorical question (I remember you've been asked this before, and replied something along the lines that you need to be here for salary reasons, whilst disliking the native people, and I'm challenging the idea that these 2 things are unrelated to each other)
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Explain how “I hate western people” isn’t waging the cultural war if my claim that third worlders commit crime at higher rates / police fear to arrest them is waging the culture war?
He 'hates western people' does not imply 'he loves Africans'- my read of him is that he prefers brahmins, han, other orientals to whites.
If the charge is that I prefer competent productive members of society to unproductive people who take out more than they put in or those who would support values and systems that seek to give such people more power and control over society to such people rather than competent people (compared to current baseline, which is already strongly in favour of unproductive vs productive on the basis of raw numbers alone), then yes, I plead guilty.
I don't care whether you are white, black, yellow, green or purple. I care that you are productive and contribute to society and don't try and prevent other productive people form reaching their potential through setting up artificial barriers; and at least if you are a drain on society (nothing inherently wrong in that, people can become disabled through no fault of their own), then at least you express some gratitude for the hand that feeds you instead of complaining it isn't feeding you enough and passing laws and regulations forcing it to feed you even more.
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Oh no doubt. I’m just pointing out his hypocrisy.
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I didn't out and about start harping on about that from nowhere. Someone accused me of hating the west first and I just corrected the record. I like many many aspects of the west, lets be clear here.
Neither did I. I responded to the post with a claim (supported by evidence) that was germane to the post.
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I didn't say it was good. I was citing an example of anarcho-tyranny.
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This may offer a less malicious explanation for the behavior, but it doesn't really deny the problem. In fact, it makes the problem more intractable, since they will never admit to this explanation. It also incentivizes even more tribalistic behavior to dissuade law enforcement actions. If the purpose of the police is to manage relations between ethnic groups to prevent large scale public disorder and inter-ethnic conflict, then they cannot also treat people as individuals before the law. Every law enforcement action must be first evaluated by the likelihood of it undermining "community relations", and so the ethnicities of the people involved should be at the forefront when deciding when and how to enforce the law. Because whites have lower levels of ethnic solidarity, the trade-off will almost always be to target the whites. This makes a lot of good sense given the new priority to manage ethnic conflicts. The question is how stable this strategy is longer term.
Presumably, these concerns are also driving the abolishment of juries. It allows judges to concern themselves not with individual actions but rather balancing competing ethnic resentments to maintain public order.
Quietly, the entire tradition of British law is being repealed and replaced by merely changing "guidance" documents.
Very stable, because us WEIRD types are hardwired to keep taking it — we are genetic defectives in whom the basic human capacity for tribalism has been utterly crippled. This is yet another example of how you need a certain level of collective identity to stand against other groups and not end up preyed upon. We lack it, and since it's in our DNA to lack it, it can't be fixed.
Thus, we're doomed. We'll be preyed upon by more tribal peoples worse and worse, have more resources taken, beaten down more and more, until we're finally hunted to extinction.
There is no escaping this. It is 100% certain, set in stone — the WEIRD populations of the world are going to go extinct. The only way any of us have even the slightest genetic legacy in future humanity is if they marry into a non-WEIRD culture. There's absolutely nothing else to be done.
Setting aside the questions of whether WIERD characteristics are genetically heritable, either WEIRD types have lacked it in the past, in which case it is quite adaptive in an extremely tribalistic environment, or WEIRD types (at least, in the United States) still have it today. There's no plausible mechanism by which it would have been bred out of the population in just a few generations without an extraordinarily efficient suppression of breeding (such as genocide) and no such mechanism has been observed.
What "extremely tribalistic environment" are you thinking of WEIRD European populations having lived in, prior to our current condition?
All of them, pretty much. European populations were literally living in tribes until they were Romanized, Christianized, or feudalized. For some of them that happened pretty late (and of course Romanization, Christianization, and feudalization did not end tribal-based thinking) and a good number of them left those environments to go live in tribalistic environments again – where they did extremely well for themselves, conquering entire continents.
Yes, and that's before they became WEIRD. Before manorialism, cousin marriage bans, and all the other elements associated with the Hajnal line bred WEIRD traits into them.
Because, in the case of the Americas, diseases did most of the work, killing 90% before they ever saw a European. For the rest, it was the raw technological advantage we had, which allowed us to succeed despite our crippling genetic defects. Now that the gap has closed and the rest of the world caught up? We're doomed.
As an example, back when Tyler Oliveira put out "Inside India's Poop-Throwing Festival," Dave "the Distributist" Greene made a comment in one of his video's about Dinesh D'Souza's reaction to the documentary. Greene asked why D'Souza took the documentary personally, acting like it was an attack on him, when he's a Christian who lives on the opposite side of the planet from these 'pagan' Hindus. Greene then mentioned that his ancestors were mostly German, then outlined a scenario where, instead, it was a documentary about a bunch of Pagan Germans throwing cow dung at one another in the Black Forest; and how he wouldn't care, because what's that to do with him? And he'd be promoting it, saying "look at how disgusting these Pagans are" and using it as an example of why Christianity is better. And that he just doesn't understand D'Souza's behavior here…
Which is exactly my point. D'Souza showed the natural human reaction. He saw this as an attack on his tribe. And he feels an attack on his tribe as an attack on himself, not as a matter of abstract reason, not as a cultural norm, but at a deep instinctual level, the kind of deep reaction that is inborn, that cannot be taught. And that Greene doesn't feel such a natural instinct, cannot even understand that instinct, that he finds it laughable, demonstrates exactly the WEIRD genetic defect I'm talking about.
Show me a WEIRD white who has the inborn, instinctive tribalism Dinesh D'Souza displayed. The inborn, instinctive tribalism of the black people protesting the Karmelo Anthony verdict. (In fact, I see plenty of WEIRDs online siding with them.) Tell me how we undo over a thousand years of selection pressure removing the genes for this instinct from us, in just this century (if we even have that long)?
We're not getting that form of instinctive, inborn tribalism back. And without it, extinction is certain. We're doomed.
Straight-up racism - which as far as I can tell is fairly similar to your idea of tribalism (although I would dispute this is a correct idea) - was (to varying degrees) acceptable in the West until the 1950s, which postdates those things by a bit.
Anyway, you're not presenting any evidence for this claim. Even for cousin marriage, is there any evidence that it makes people genetically predisposed to tribalism? It certainly makes people less smart, which could be associated with a lack of openness to experience...but on balance I'd take the trade-off. My understanding is that the mechanism of cousin marriage making Western Europeans more open we believed to be at least partially cultural, as exogamous marriages (which are not uniquely Western, AIUI) force greater extra-tribal participation.
I am familiar with this, but from what I understand, this had a much larger impact on North America. I recommend that you read up on Cortez.
Who's "we"? I doubt that you and I are closely related, and I would certainly be surprised if we are from the same tribe. I certainly do not believe that my line had crippling genetic defects. But perhaps we fixed them via admixture.
In my experience whites have this sort of reaction. I strongly suspect that either not all WEIRD types have whatever genetic makeup you are asserting causes this, or (probably more likely) this is somewhat culturally mediated.
In the United States, plenty of whites, especially in the South and the West, are extremely tribalistic - they would characterize it as patriotism. In other places, even where patriotism is less en vogue, tribalism may be channeled through consumer attachment ("fandom," football). I suspect you merely don't recognize it because you equate tribalism with genetic ethnic characteristics (which is not how tribes themselves viewed tribalism, or at least not exclusively).
To be direct (but hopefully not unkind), I think you are projecting. White/WEIRD types are still plenty tribalistic. I just think you don't see it, because your perspective on what tribalism and ethnicity is and should be is based on, well, the internet, instead of lived experience. That's why you are focused on race, much more than historical tribes were likely to be (as far as I can tell). Because a tribe is based on common behavior, with race being an imperfect proxy for that - you can read up on the research on children, for instance, which (if I am recalling correctly) shows that they prefer people of their own (parent's) race, but more strongly prefer people of their own cultural dress and behavior. Or you can look to the cultural practices of non-WEIRD types, where adopting people of different racial/ethnic backgrounds into the tribe, was a fairly common practice (at least in North America, where I have the most expertise).
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It hasn't been bred out; it's been memed out. Earlier waves of immigration to the US were ultimately fairly well integrated. Problem was there were some lessons learned -- that one should never be suspicious of and 'racist' against immigrants -- that weren't so. I suspect such 'racism' (both real racism and objections to parts of the immigrants' cultures) was load-bearing in integrating them. And in protecting the country from them -- it wasn't breeding that resulted in an America-hating Ethiopian anchor baby winning in Colorado. There haven't been enough generations to breed that out (especially since the last group of integrated immigrants themselves wouldn't have had it bred out at all).
I also suspect that the steady decline in the hazards both of the journey and the destination have resulted in each wave of immigrants being successively less "pre-filtered" for what you might call "American temperament" than prior waves.
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The British Empire having imposed the iniquity of its privilege upon the native population of this territory, I'm afraid the natives must follow the natural conclusion the rest of the world has already come to regarding this problem and demand independence.
England must free itself from the British yoke and become again a nation instead of an imperial protectorate. Only then can the self determination of English natives be assured. And other nations borne out of such circumstances such as Ireland, India and the United States should aid in this endeavour in the spirit of brotherhood that unites free self determined peoples against the evil of colonization.
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Sounds like a few young, white British boys might ought to take one for the team and do their peers the favor of just absolutely beating the living shit out of some of these lady cops. Not like the fem-wankers have guns.
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More effort/commentary, please.
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There are perils to committing yourself to nakedly tribalist, oppressive policing, especially when you disarm your officers and keep hiring frail women.
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Well, once you've hit a cop ONCE (and you're white) they're already going to put you away forever. In for a penny, in for a pound.
Might as well be hanged for a sheep as a lamb.
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This kind of hair splitting could apply to any instance of alleged 'hatred' in history. It's only being applied to whites by whites since the alternative makes them more uncomfortable.
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