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Culture War Roundup for the week of October 23, 2023

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(can move to the Israel/Palestine thread, but thought I'd post here as it's not geopolitics)

Looks like donors of elite schools are starting to pause their donations to schools due to the Israel/Palestine situation.

Well, rather, by the reaction and statements from some students at those schools, combined with the lack of reaction/statement by the school presidents condemning the initial Hamas attack. It seems donors, like Ken Griffin, are either pressuring the school to change tact, or stopping donations altogether.

Just today, apparently [some Jewish students at Cooper Union] were blocked in a library due to a pro-Palestine/anti-Israel rally](https://twitter.com/stopantisemites/status/1717300476524322969?s=46&t=aQ6ajj220jubjU7-o3SuWQ). Not sure why the library only had Jewish students (Hillel meeting?), but seems bad if true.

George Washington Uni. got pro-Hamas projections saying things like "glory to our martyrs" (!!) on school buildings (ironically with donors like "Gelman" right underneath the projections). Protests that shout "from the river to the sea" all over every elite school, from Brown to NYU to UCLA, you name it. And on and on...

Social media wasn't that developed, and I wasn't paying attention, last time the large Israel/Palestine hostage situation happened in 2014, or the situation in 2008. Was it always been like this, pro-Hamas/anti-Israel/ and I just didn't notice? Or is it noticeably larger now, more organized, more tolerated? It's not just US either, it's also in UK, it's in Berlin and Vienna and Paris. Obviously there's big protests in Jordan or whatever, as they are closer and have millions of Palestinians, so I'd expect protests there. But it almost seems kind of shocking how brazen many people are, in NYC!?

Seems like influential folks, even sjw/leftist-friendly (?) youtubers, are realizing the changing cultural winds, and perhaps political winds downstream.

The donors' using their money to cause change is not new, but seems like there is urgency from them to change some of the culture in universities. Will this actually change things, though? My bet is no, Griffin's $300mil will not change how Harvard students think and say. What do you guys think?

edit:

This was an interesting thing, that I was trying to but failing to reference/get at:

In the 1960s, the radical left and black militants engaged in terrorism and mass violence for several years. During that period, a disproportionate amount of money and leadership on the left came from Jews and Jewish organizations. Then the Panthers took the movement by storm and imposed a Third World, anti-imperialist focus on the left, which turned hard against Israel after the Six Day War in ‘67. The Panthers’ anti-Zionism bled over into plain anti-Semitism, and many disillusioned Jews began to back away from the movement. Then, in ‘69, black militants in NYC picked a fight w/the mostly Jewish NYC teachers’ union, and the virulent antisemitism that had been just beneath the surface burst out into the open. The Jewish Defense League was actually formed in the aftermath of the conflict, to protect and retaliate on behalf of Jews who were being harassed and attacked by black militants.

The loss of Jewish support was the end of the ‘60s radical left as a serious movement, and the long march on the institutions began. Now that it’s had a half decade to regroup, it’s back on the streets causing mayhem. As before, Jewish organizers and groups played a disproportionate leadership role w/BLM, campus radicals, and other militant groups, and as before, the movement has turned against Israel and Jews more generally. If the rest of the cycle repeats, turning against the Jews will mark the beginning of the end of this round of left wing madness…

Hopefully we all learn a more lasting lesson this time.

I am starting to think Jews are going to be in a bad place. I had a belief a decade ago that when there was some crazy college protest it was no big deal. The kids will grow up, get a job, get pregnant and go about the life grind. College idealism and learning half an issue dissipates once your grinding out life. Now it seems as though they have taken over everything.

If things continue on this path then the next Democratic administration will probably cut off Israel and do nothing if Israel is attacked. Israel will have to stand alone in the world surrounded by a lot of people who hate them.

The only real counter to this feeling is the Jews own too much of the media and think tanks etc and will be able to cut this virus down.

And a part me laughs a bit. They fucked around and found out. They didn’t do anything when the other white ethnicities were getting blasted and some orgs like the ADL promote white hate. And then the gun was turned on them.

And a part me laughs a bit. They fucked around and found out. They didn’t do anything when the other white ethnicities were getting blasted and some orgs like the ADL promote white hate. And then the gun was turned on them.

Not only did they do nothing, not only was it some orgs; subversive anti-white ideology has always been highly disproportionality Jewish. There is a reason things like the early life Wikipedia section and the coincidence detection triple parenthesis echo became memes.

Frankenstein is finally getting attacked by his own monster.

To be fair the rebellion is Jewish led too.

https://twitter.com/piedmontian11/status/1715856464969912364?s=46&t=aQ6ajj220jubjU7-o3SuWQ

Not only did they do nothing, not only was it some orgs; subversive anti-white ideology has always been highly disproportionality Jewish.

The pushback to it was also highly disproportionally Jewish. It doesn't take an Ashkenazi IQ to see the more than passing resemblance of the privilege discourse in 2010's America to the privilege discourse in 1930's Europe, and a lot of them pointed it out early on, so I don't really care about the disproportional support.

What I do care about is that some of the very specific Jewish people that were on board for each and every step of this crazy ride, are suddenly aghast now that they're on the receiving end of it. You can easily find people who's complaint is literally "we were there for BLM, we were there for MeToo, we were there for trans people, but no one is there for us!". The ones with comparatively less self respect even append a "and we will still support these progressive causes" at the end of that. Then there are outright slimeballs like Ethan Klein (of the linked-by-OP video) who rode the Anti-SJW wave high when that was the top trend, backstabbed people like Jordan Peterson and became buddy-buddy with Hasan Piker when he thought there's more hay to be made on the other side, and is now crying about the support for Hamas in his discord. I was already biting my tongue around TERFs that went full surprised Picachu when they were told they have to wax feminine balls, I don't know how much of that I can do anymore.

I actually kind of hope all these theories about Jewish influence over everything around us are true, so they can find their balls and end this madness, because if they don't, I'll leave you with this: given where we started 10 years ago, and where we are now, how do you think there world is going to look like 10 years from now?

I actually kind of hope all these theories about Jewish influence over everything around us are true, so they can find their balls and end this madness, because if they don't, I'll leave you with this: given where we started 10 years ago, and where we are now, how do you think there world is going to look like 10 years from now?

Well, that would be the greatest blackpill, wouldn't it? That there is no one who can save us, no one in control of the machine. There were people who could control it, and/or thought they could control it, but they've failed (assuming they ever actually could), or are just gone now.

I think a bunch of sci-fi horror video games use this kind of trope.

There are people in control or at least having a lot of influence over people, but they don't understand the forces that they are playing with and think that they can just stir up anti-white hatred, but set limits where people are not supposed to notice that the arguments for anti-white hatred are even more applicable to Jews.

The pushback to it was also highly disproportionally Jewish. It doesn't take an Ashkenazi IQ to see the more than passing resemblance of the privilege discourse in 2010's America to the privilege discourse in 1930's Europe, and a lot of them pointed it out early on, so I don't really care about the disproportional support.

Has it? IMHO it's been token Jewish. And what Jewish resistance to the remaking of my country exists, it's dwarfed by the power of the ADL to dictate narrative, policy, and get people removed. Even now the ADL is running cover, pretending this enormous groundswell of anti-Semitism is from "far right white nationalist", despite the obvious falsehood of it being evident from watching literally any video. They are too deeply invested in labelling any anti-immigration organization a hate group.

The ADL being Quislings (Czerniakóws?) is a bad thing, but if you make enemies of an entire demographic due to the bad acts of one particularly high-profile activist organization being suicidally leftist, you're going to run out of demographic groups real quick.

Who said anything about making enemies? More like leaving them to the consequences of their own actions. I'm staying out of it.

Has it? IMHO it's been token Jewish. And what Jewish resistance to the remaking of my country exists, it's dwarfed by the power of the ADL to dictate narrative, policy, and get people removed.

Sure. One side is winning, and the other is losing. There's a disproportionate number of Jewish people on both sides.

Even now the ADL is running cover, pretending this enormous groundswell of anti-Semitism is from "far right white nationalist", despite the obvious falsehood of it being evident from watching literally any video.

Yeah, and feminists insist the transgender movement is a men's rights movement despite the obvious falsehood of that idea. It would still be factually wrong to lay the blame for it on women as a whole, or even on average.

The pushback to it was also highly disproportionally Jewish.

How much of it is the Jewish idpol card kinda sticking you in a state of quasi-whiteness that allows rallying back against intersectionalism without getting immediately cancelled yourself, though?

I have no idea who the non-Harvey-related Weinstein brothers are, but I'd have pointed out Curtis Yarvin. Not only did he still get cancelled, but when "he's a monarchist" tried to get through his cancelers' brains and ended up as "DOES NOT COMPUTE" (with which I admit I sympathize), they fell right back on "he must be a Nazi!" without noticing the irony (which was ... less sympathetic).

Scott Alexander got doxxed by the New York Times for being part of the pushback. The article naming him seemed most concerned by the idea that biological differences might have something to do with intelligence, and I do see how that frightens normal people who are scrupulously concerned about the bad inferences one might too-easily make from such a belief, but now that we've discovered the Times hires people who they know have a history of literally praising Hitler to do primary-source reporting on Israel I'm less inclined to give them a pass as "normal" or "scrupulous".

I have no idea who the non-Harvey-related Weinstein brothers are

I think it's a reference to Bret and Eric Weinstein (pronounced "Wine-Stine," in contrast to Harvey's "Wine-steen"). Eric has been a public intellectual for a while, whereas Bret came into prominence as a biology professor at Evergreen college some ago, where he pushed back against the college's annual "Day of Absence" which requested that white people remain off-campus for the day. IIRC, part of Bret's argument mentioned how his Jewish heritage made him more sensitive to policies where people are asked to not be present purely on the basis of their ethnicity or race. This led to some viral videos of him being confronted by angry students, eventually leading to him and his wife (another biology professor at Evergreen) resigning. They went on a bunch of podcasts afterward, and I believe they started their own podcast, becoming public intellectuals like Eric.

Didn't seem to help the Weinstein brothers (no relation to Harvey) to not get immediately cancelled.

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