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AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
19m ago
Sewing bras is more conducive to wellbeing than stacking them on a shelf.
Then buy yourself a sewing machine. We shouldn't make national policy choices based on psychological theories like that.
In what world would “picking fruit” be pathetic? I think you are having trouble dissociating the image you have of these things now, with what they would look like if employers didn’t have a semi-slave class. There’s a farm near me where people — college-educated, white, smart — sign up to plant and reap for free. Because in return they get free room and board, and most importantly a social environment filled with other young white people. They work quite hard, then they drink in the evenings and dance and fuck and make music and so on. This is exactly what agricultural work was for nearly all of history.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
30m ago
So your answer to the question of how White Americans can compete with semi-slave illegal workers is
Why in God's name would you want to?
shoeonfoot
34m ago
Is "online racialist Right" an endonym? Who are these people?
Turok has a public Twitter account. Many of the people he responds to and interacts with on Twitter would be part of the "online racialist Right". If you're familiar with the term "dissident right", it's basically the same group of people. The primary dividing line between members of this group is the degree to which Jews should be blamed for societies various ills. I don't think that's an unfair characterization and if requested, I can try to put in the effort to cite to these various people and their statements.
atelier
Jimmys: unrustled
39m ago
Yeah, that's a good start! I just get tired of seeing crime committed by someone with a conviction history that reaches multiple pages even if they're all fairly minor crimes.
coffee_enjoyer
☕️
55m ago
You’re missing the entire substance of the argument, which is that the reason the QoL of agriculture is too low for natives is because of the migrants. If you deport them all, ag needs workers, ag must increase QoL, it looks more like WOOFing which white people love doing.
If I could immediately hire foreign English-speakers as paralegals, importing them in and keeping them in cramp accommodations and ensure they are afraid of leaving the job because finding work as an illegal is tricky, the paralegal market in America would implode. There would be no American paralegals left. So the American paralegal cannot compete with the migrant worker driven paralegal industry.
Alex is definitely here reading all the comments, yet the only time he ever responds is a 1 sentence dig at what he believes is a mistake a commenter made.
To the dozens of high effort well researched posts, it's radio silence for every single one. Alex has not made a single substantiative response downthread in this thread or any other thread he started.
I'm not sure whether only responding to the very weakest of your opponents counts as a strawman, but it's certainly infuriating.
shoeonfoot
58m ago
Reality check: Generally, unauthorized farmworkers have had a de facto type of amnesty from immigration officials, who are hesitant to conduct raids on a labor force that supplies food across the nation.
There have been some farm raids under Trump (including a high-profile operation Thursday in California against a marijuana farm), but he mostly backed off widespread farm raids after June 12, when he took to Truth Social and lamented the loss of farm, leisure and hotel-sector labor.
"That was the bat signal to ICE: Leave the farmers alone," one Trump adviser said.
The intrigue: Trump's post that day was made after lobbying by Agriculture Secretary Brooke Rollins.
But it caught three crucial administration players flatfooted: Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem, White House Chief of Staff Susie Wiles and Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller, the architect of Trump's aggressive immigration policies.
"Every [Cabinet] secretary can't do that: Go rogue and call the president like this, without any sort of appreciation for competing conversations or ideology," another senior official said.
Inside the room: In White House meetings, Miller took the lead in dialing back the president from moving toward anything that could be branded an "amnesty" program.
One idea that was shot down: a "touchback" program under which laborers illegally in the U.S. would have go back to their nation of origin, get a U.S. work visa there and be able to return here.
For some workers, that would require an exception to current law, which bars re-entry into the U.S. for those who immigrate here illegally and stay for six months or more.
"Stephen is so hardcore that the president almost jokes about it, saying that, 'You could have a person who has been here for 20 years and has a clean record and everyone loves them, and Stephen will say deport them,' " according to one person who heard Trump's remarks.
zeke5123a
1hr ago
If we are talking about the “Maryland Dad” then yeah the guy just coincidentally hung out with MS-13 gangbangers and the tat just looked like an MS-13 tat by happenstance.
shoeonfoot
1hr ago
They do not speak for the "woke right" (which itself is just a snarl term).
What is your preferred term to describe the type of people that James Lindsay characterizes as "woke right"? I don't like the term either, but there is a generally identifiable group of people who @TheAntipopulist labelled "racialist Right" who are pretty much the same people Lindsay labels "woke right".
coffee_enjoyer
☕️
1hr ago
So your answer to the question of how White Americans can compete with semi-slave illegal workers is
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Go ask around a Waffle House
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Look around on Craigslist for illegal housing
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(Ignore remittance payments)
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(Ignore cultural and early life influences involving manual labor, eg that some of these Hondurans have been doing it since 12)
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(Ignore crucial cultural factors related to social wellbeing like finding a wife)
quiet_NaN
1hr ago
Relevant mod comment. If you want to say "these are the views of the Trump administration", then say "these are the views of the Trump administration".
Also, what do you mean by the adjective "racialist"? WN defines it as:
A believer or advocate of racialism, the ideology of racial nationalism.
(UK, dated) A racist.
Is "online racialist Right" an endonym? Who are these people? Do they want a white ethnostate in the US? Are they HBD-believers who want to restrict immigration based on what they see as genetic group differences? Did you just want to call them straightforward racist, but knew that this would generate a backslash, so you picked a rare word which strongly implies racism without saying the r-word outright?
On the object level, I think I share most of your opinions about Trump's immigration policy, which I detest. But I do not think you are doing a good job of accurately representing the beliefs of the Right, which is a prerequisite to honestly criticizing them.
I don't think that the Right has a great answer to what will happen to the fruit prices once the migrants who are willing to pick them in shitty conditions for low wages because they can feed their family in their country of origin with these wages are all deported. I think that a significant fraction of the MAGA base imagine that Trump, being a stable genius deal-maker, will simply pull the US into a golden age of prosperity and nobody will worry about fruit prices. The more realistic Trump voters might concede that prices of fruits might skyrocket if the pickers are US citizens earning a competitive wage, but simply see this as a price worth paying to kick the illegal immigrants out. Your framing which includes White druggies kicking their habit getting of their asses and start to pick fruits seems to me to be a minority viewpoint on the Right, to put it charitably.
coffee_enjoyer
☕️
1hr ago
Then consider Japan, which only employs 50k migrants in its agricultural and forestry sector.
People who have the option to be laborers in cities will prefer that to being agricultural laborers
And if there is an absence of agricultural workers, the wages for agriculture go up, meaning the conditions become as desirable as WWOOFing, meaning people return to work in agriculture.
shoeonfoot
1hr ago
The arbitrary filtering of one of the largest religious groups is silly.
Why? You're the one who filtered down to "college-educated White males" after Turok claimed that high-income whites are moving away from the Republicans, and I'm pointing out that college-educated white men are not only almost evenly split between D and R, but also that more granular data shows divisions among white men based on religious affiliation + level of education, which is relevant for determining how white men are going to vote in the future.
I'm not denying that women are more likely to be leftist in the present era (not historically), but you were wrong when you said women shifted "a lot" towards Harris.
The average has no idea that the country plans to import so many Indians. The average voter has no idea about the statistics related to yearly immigration, like, at all.
I have found that the same people who argue that the United States have been transformed demographically to the point that even small towns are no longer recognizable also say that Americans are ignorant about the scope of immigration.
I don't buy that. I think anyone with a pair of eyes and ears is aware that the U.S. is more linguistically, religiously, ethnically, and racially diverse than it has ever been. So yeah, the Gallop poll and every other immigration-related poll is asking people about "vibes", and the "vibes" are that the average voter is cool with the continuing diversification of America.
The average has no idea that the country plans to import so many Indians.
Sure, but this probably doesn't help your argument because the average person likely overestimates how many Indians there:
When people’s average perceptions of group sizes are compared to actual population estimates, an intriguing pattern emerges: Americans tend to vastly overestimate the size of minority groups. This holds for sexual minorities, including the proportion of gays and lesbians (estimate: 30%, true: 3%), bisexuals (estimate: 29%, true: 4%), and people who are transgender (estimate: 21%, true: 0.6%).
It also applies to religious minorities, such as Muslim Americans (estimate: 27%, true: 1%) and Jewish Americans (estimate: 30%, true: 2%). And we find the same sorts of overestimates for racial and ethnic minorities, such as Native Americans (estimate: 27%, true: 1%), Asian Americans (estimate: 29%, true: 6%), and Black Americans (estimate: 41%, true: 12%).
White Americans probably think there are way more Indians than there are and they're still going to elect Vivek Ramaswamy as the next governor of Ohio.
The_Nybbler
In the game of roller derby, women aren't just the opposing team; they're the ball.
1hr ago
Not only would Liz Cheney not agree, Elon Musk wouldn't either, so I don't believe this.
coffee_enjoyer
☕️
1hr ago
And the Japanese? How about the Japanese in the 80s?
Dean
Flairless
1hr ago
She's a member of the United States Cabinet!
Which is a collection of individuals with distinct and often contrasting opinions, not a hive mind, or an avatar summoned from the collective unconscious of parts of the electorate.
hydroacetylene
1hr ago
Yes, you can charm white liberal arts major women into doing farming for a few months at a time, and there will always be guys showing up to agglomerations of naive and easy women. But if hippie communes were able to compete with migrant worker driven industrial agriculture they'd be doing it; there's certainly enough market for organic goods.
celluloid_dream
1hr ago
Ok, Samurai Champloo and Bebop, I get. These are essentially, perfect YA comfort food cartoons, oozing with character, atmosphere, unique soundtrack, etc. etc. They are perfect for non-anime watchers because they're crossover western-style stories done up in anime styling.
But Elfen Lied? Are we thinking of the same show? The one with the body horror? The creepy "magical" girls, the harem protagonist, etc.? I don't understand how that's even in the same category. I would recommend someone looking for "anime for non-anime watchers" never, ever, ever watch that. It will just reinforce every bad stereotype about the genre while having a perfectly "meh" plot.
Stefferi
Chief Suomiposter
1hr ago
Whether "woke right" exists or doesn't, "The Right" surely does, and this US administration does rather effectively speak for the Right in the American context.
hydroacetylene
1hr ago
Loaning money to the underclass/drug users is almost always a bad decision on the individual level, but there's plenty of legitimate businesses which make it their business model- payday loans, online gambling, etc. That's basically what's fueling doordash. It's probably a net advantage for a drug dealer.
hydroacetylene
1hr ago
Some of this is mental illness from childhood trauma, often combined with main character syndrome. I once knew a woman who was sobbing because her boyfriend's family didn't like her- ok, reasonable enough, except the family in this case was his wife and teenaged daughter that she'd insisted on meeting. Poor theory of mind, narcissism, some garden variety mental illness...
But also, uh, they're looking for guys like their dads, who probably acted like that, because that's their model for how men are. She's probably never gotten to know an upstanding family man. She may not know they exist. I admit to having a poor theory of mind for why underclass women don't just avoid men(goodness knows they don't get much out of it). But empirically the instinct to stick close to a man is stronger.
ABigGuy4U
1hr ago
It’s an undercut where the longer hair on the top is also permed. It’s not so much the haircut itself that annoys me as the insane conformity of it. Every zoomer male I have ever seen has had the exact same haircut. There have been trendy youth haircuts in the past but not like this.
hydroacetylene
1hr ago
The point was you can get significantly below market(and priced to match) housing really easily. You don't need to be plugged into the wetback network, and roustabouts are not known for their robust network building anyways. Go ask around at waffle house. Look on craigslist. The white trash underclass lives in very similar conditions, after all. Non underclass whites don't do this, but that's because they don't want to.
There's this motte conceit that you can't live like the other half. Yeah, you can, and pretty easily too.
Well the first two are ‘ this transcends yet IS anime ‘ and the last two ‘ ARE anime ‘ - meaning, just weirdo, brutal insanity. It’s a big part of anime with a long tradition.
Sure I wouldn’t recommend them to an anime non watcher, probably, but Elfin Lied is what got me into anime before even the classics.
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