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KMC
lurk moar
13hr ago
I should have been more temperate, and I cranked up my, well, crank at the hagiography of the CP5. It's worth being temperate about these things, and I am willing to take the not-at-all extreme position that relatively routine death penalty is justice, but I'm too many posts deep for not enough forethought.
Hanging for thieves is not unknown, but I would consider harsh. If you want to advocate for the death penalty for copying files I'm willing to hear it. I don't think running Napster deserves death, but you might be able to convince me of Silk Road.
Hanging for beating people senseless is closer, especially given the disposition of the victim. If she had died then it would have been murder, even if she was breathing when they left her, and none of them raped her. I think he severity of her injuries given her complete innocence deserves death.
Muggers, yes again, especially if someone ends up dead or in a coma. Not if they are confronted and flee, but more likely if they prey on the women, (actual, prepubescent) children. Carjackers, too, while we're at it. The correct number of these criminals put to death is way higher than zero. It doesn't have to be every single one, but the more violent you are, and the more helpless, innocent, and vulnerable your victims, the more you deserve to die for the same crimes.
Does acting as a prowling gang make each member less culpable, or more? I don't think you can necessarily treat all thirty the same, but it speaks to coordinated action and opportunistic behavior, and neither are cause for leniency.
Does youth remove culpability? You clearly think so, and I'm inclined to agree, but the amount of grace I'm willing to extend does not get to 14, and just like before, the worse your crime the less leniency you deserve on all counts, including age.
For the 8 year old: not hanged but still punished severely. The 5 year old: no legal punishment makes sense but that doesn't mean faultless, blameless, or free from scrutiny. Who is shot matters a lot, as is what happens. That's also part of justice, as there are victims who matter, and everyone has an interest in deterrence of new criminals and prevention of new crime from known criminals.
Redemption should not dominate the discussion of justice to the extent that it has. It is less important than Consequences.
I started with a weak mea culpa but I'm ending with a stronger one. I was wrong on the details and ran my mouth off, then had to go back and justify myself. Had I any sense, I would have cancelled the first reply. I muddled through it, eventually, and I got to a decent thesis of my original reply, but I regret doing it and would take it back if I could.
I've edited, above, too.
anon_
13hr ago
Lying to your children isn't definitionally bad! We lie to children all the time.
Today I lied to my kids by telling them I was a pajama robot programmed with the mission of chasing down and pajamaing all the children. When I was a kid we played werewolf/mafia a lot in school.
There are all manner of imagination, pretenses, games, and kayfabes. If you don't teach your children that, you are not giving a key cognitive skill.
dr_analog
top 1% of underdog fetishists
14hr ago
I use ChatGPT pretty much all day every day but as a replacement for Googling mostly. It's great at pinging a dozen news sources on a issue and giving me more information than I'd get from reading a single article (and it's usually not wrong).
If I have trivial code to write in an unfamiliar framework it's good for that too.
It's also good for teaching me entry level stuff in a new topic faster than anything else.
It's generally better at telling me what's wrong if I paste an error message than anything I'd get from Googling.
And that's about it. And this is awesome, don't get me wrong.
But everything else it kind of sucks at. And not just ChatGPT, but Claude (including Claude code as well).
If I ask for help in a mature codebase it will almost certainly waste my time. Ask it for more subtle plot details of a popular sci-fi book that you just read and you will see how hard it hallucinates.
I would be quite worried about doing science or medicine with it if I can't rapidly verify its information.
pusher_robot
PLEASE GO STAND BY THE STAIRS
14hr ago
anon_
14hr ago
Colorado admitted a priest or a life coach could have the very conversations that it was banning therapists from partaking in; why would the difference in title suddenly change the classification of the act itself?
I think you are placing too much on the classification of the conduct rather than the social framing.
To diverge for a bit, there are plenty of personal trainers where the fundamentals of what they do (determine what is an appropriate exercise/stretch and teach it) is substantially the same as what physical therapists do. Same for diet consultants vs dietician. Or even massage artists as compared to chiros as compared to orthopedic surgeons.
What I think is fairly critical is not about what they do in practice but how it's held out to the public and whether that person gets the assurance the practitioner is notionally vetted and supervised in some fashion (I'm not taking a position on whether this training/vetting/supervision is worth anything).
It's also similar to the way society distinguishes between being a financial advisor vs being Jim Kramer giving advice and opinions on the market. Or Caleb for that matter when it's household finances. No one is going to jail for the conduct of recommending index funds (or 0DTE SPY calls) but you can't publicly portray that as professional financial advice.
So in that lens, restrictions on what the licensed folks can do aren't triggered by conduct, but who gets to publicly represent themselves as a specific kind of professional. When the restrictions are paired to that title but not otherwise applied to individuals doings substantially the same thing, it seems clear to me that the conduct itself isn't really what's targeted.
faul_sname
Fuck around once, find out once. Do it again, now it's science.
14hr ago
If people can make radio transmissions without a license from the state medical board and they would face no repercussions for doing that, the state medical board is not regulating radio transmissions.
anti_dan
14hr ago
Cops, federal or other, dont decide whether your license is fake. They run it through a system, typically known as LEADS. If you pop on the system and are an American citizen without an arrest warrant issued for you, you are in the minority, maybe 0.1% probably less. And in most of those cases it is because you had your identity stolen at one point.
Everything gets checked. Sometimes frustratingly slowly. But the slowness is because of the things that prevent people from being hanged the morning after arrest, not things working in the other direction in 99.99% of cases.
faul_sname
Fuck around once, find out once. Do it again, now it's science.
14hr ago
A decade ago everyone was saying more or less the same thing about autonomous vehicles, yet a true AV seems further away now than it did then
Waymos are already doing paid autonomous rides. They're not quite as adaptable as good human drivers but they're way way ahead of the SOTA of 2015.
SkoomaDentist
The Greater Finnish Empire
14hr ago
The Motte world domination 2025.
Potentially, they groped her and left her with a mild concussion, and the rest was Reyes doing. Or they did everything except the rape.
Yeah I had forgotten about that part. The detectives knew she was hit with a big rock in the head as an attempted death blow finisher, so they were probing these 15 yr olds with questions around that, without giving it away. But consistently they all knew nothing about that (even when trying to come up with what the detectives were looking for, they never came close); they only knew about all the other injuries. So that was Reyes with the final attempted murder using the rock.
anti_dan
15hr ago
The ICE are wearing masks because if they dont they rationally think their children will be killed. That is it. If you think ATF agents have sustained prolonged sieges of major ATF buildings you want to compare these to, please do.
faul_sname
Fuck around once, find out once. Do it again, now it's science.
15hr ago
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it's also a problem which can be solved through the approach of "deport illegals and other foreigners before they take over neighborhoods and fundamentally change it" bringing us back to the subject issue
Again, see Detroit, Birmingham, etc. Basically no immigrants and yet they are the way they are. Keep foreigners out before they change the neighborhood did not work in those cases. Why expect it will in others? Especially why expect that when the most desirable cities to live in are the ones with the most foreigners?
faul_sname
Fuck around once, find out once. Do it again, now it's science.
15hr ago
Wow, thanks for the scholarship. Amazing!
To actually fingerprint and process the defendant requires them to get him into the facility or a similar facility (which local municipalities won't let them use), and then he'd have to be taken back to the hospital.
This seems like it could plausibly be the thing I was missing. Although I don’t think they need to take fingerprints to issue a NTA. Could be wrong about that though, not a domain expert here. If that's the case, and if ICE mentioned it in the documents that are not available through PACER but the judge ignored it, then I no longer think ICE was egregiously in the wrong here. Two ifs though.
Anyway, I'm pretty baffled by this case, it'll be interesting to see how it develops.
anti_dan
15hr ago
Invisible fences exist and are common. They also are easy for the dog to understand. They are clearly defined boundaries with geographic markers at all times. You train the dog on them at what we think is mild discomfort levels of pain so they stay in the yard and dont get hit by a dump truck. But also they get to be in the freaking yard! Which toddlers (who are smarter than said dogs) dont get to do unsupervised.
anti_dan
15hr ago
Shock collars are used to keep your dog from running into the street by underground fencing your yard.
anti_dan
15hr ago
A large part of the disconnect you are seeing is that clearly this dog is not properly trained. Its fully grown. If it knew its job was to lay there he wouldn't have a shock mechanism to keep it there. Perhaps from time to time he would have to remind the dog to get back to its position. Dogs that are well trained are very obedient.
Instead he chose a different path with physical pain that still appears to be ineffective due to his own negligent training.
pigeonburger
15hr ago
That's my recollection as well, that everyone was playing along including myself. It never felt like my parents were betraying my trust, but more like this was one thing that was an exception and it was okay to playfully lie about. And I can see how that can be a prosocial thing to teach kids. Of course, there might also be parents that go too far, insist too much on the reality of it all without enough winking, and actually cross the line into betraying their children' trust.
anti_dan
15hr ago
I dont know this specific story, but dogs, as part of their nature, love running. If their running was naturally transformed into human worth they dont give a crap.
Dogs dont naturally love being shocked.
anti_dan
15hr ago
Given the amount of time he has had this dog, and the delay in his response, the dog has no real understanding that it has a job or occupation, unlike properly trained occupational dogs, which, it is important to note, we fail out most potential candidates for even to this day. That means, most dogs are not capable of being occupational dogs, unless the occupation is something like ratting or foxhunting for the appropriate breeds. Sitting still for a several hour podcast is not an occupation any dog breed has been bred for.
There is no real defense of this video I saw other than dogs having zero moral valence or some bizarre long running joke on this program that needs to be explained.
OliveTapenade
15hr ago
...okay, fair, that made me laugh.
Again, I don't think it's quite the same - the motte-and-bailey is a tactical move you make in an individual argument, whereas this is more like concept creep - but it is close enough that you got me.
FCfromSSC
Nuclear levels of sour
15hr ago
My point is that "it's okay to assassinate people, but they have to be evil" is a belief that's held by approximately nobody.
I disagree, but am intrigued. Huge amounts of entertainment hinge on this norm. lots of history hinges on this norm. Radicals openly advertise based on this norm.
All the people who celebrated the assassination of Charlie Kirk would never say that.
What would they say, in your view?
BoneDrained
15hr ago
In Chicago, it goes beyond "minor physical violence"
https://abc7chicago.com/post/kim-foxx-lightfoot-mutual-combatants-combat/11100664/
If you argue that porn was banned in the USSR or is banned in Iran for example, than my cursory knowledge of the matter will compel me to agree with you, because in these cases state control of the media and the country’s borders was sufficiently thorough that whatever level of cultural presence illegal pornography had was bound to be marginal. If your argument is that it’s banned in South Korea, a late-stage capitalist cyberpunk hellscape where I imagine a large segment of the population is addicted to the internet, a society that is usually said to be overall conservative but where the cultural heritage of ancient Korea has zero significance, I’ll not assume that whatever law it is that is technically on the books regarding this matter will limit porn use to any significant degree.
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