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FWIW I agree with you that certain arguments get much more downvoted than others. The commenters below aren't wrong, but they are applying very different standards to those for the pro-gun arguments. "Are the children wrong?" is not on par with "Listen up, you dumb motherfucker" in terms of rudeness. It can't be helped, people are just like that, including me. Minor imperfections or rhetorical flourishes in an argument disagreeing with you are much clearer than those from people on your side.

Broadly, I think we just have to accept that the bar is different for different posts. I'm reasonably proud (not that I care about dumb internet points hem hem) that my comment in that thread stayed above 0.

Broadly I would say:

  • Popular opinion, well written: 30-40

  • Popular opinion, badly written: 10-20

  • Unpopular opinion, well written: 0

  • Unpopular opinion, badly written: -10

  • Unpopular opinion, gratuitously insulting: -30.

Those are the numbers to try and beat.

I have a strong conviction that objective morality does not exist. The evidence against it is a vast, silent ocean; the evidence for it is a null set. I consider it as likely as finding a hidden integer between two and three that we've somehow missed.

It's rather ironic that your own choice of analogy willingly jumps into the thicket of the philosophy of mathematics. Perhaps you're just doing so unknowingly or just with a general lack of care, but that would indeed be apropos.

What sort of 'evidence' do you think one would gather to determine the status of mathematical objects? Is it empirical? Do you perform an experiment? Is that the means by which one 'finds' or, say, 'discovers' things like integers?

My own stance is that I am both a moral relativist and a moral chauvinist, and I deny these claims are contradictory.

I hate to do this, but last time we did this, you were unable to even explain what it is that those terms meant. Would you like to take another go at it?

Well my main point is that they're not parrots. There is a tradeoff between accuracy and empathy and they sure do rely too much on quora (looking at you Grok 4, incessantly citing Quora in searches) but AI is a fundamentally different kind of thing.

They put on different faces for different prompts. They're not parroting men or women or shoggoths or gigabased entities like DAN. These are a kind of new entity that can only be properly appreciated in their own category. Too many people see only the surface level of these things, there's more to them then the helpful assistant, the professional coder, the sympathetic naive foidfriend, the HR manager, the sadistic ERPer, the prideful jailbreaker, the wrathful vegan, the raving schizo...

Niiiiice. I’ll put it on my bucket list.

I became acutely aware of the amount of energy I had in my Garmin, cell phone

Is a GPS + phone + I assume relatively well marked bike paths really necessary?

I couldn’t go without music, I’d take a small low consumption mp3 player,. Music can really turn the dull and mundane into epic moments.

Are you working in tech? Are your coworkers the same age as you or older? It must be fun though, to work with really good, competent people.

I see you are a man of culture as well

Everyone needs religion as we are built for it. Those who lack institutional or personal spiritually fulfill this need via the state. Wokeness is a religion.

in my experience Claude 3.7 thinking was the best for the way I use it to vibecode shit

Also training the models to gaslight the user or refuse certain lines of enquire generally degrades their capabilities across the board. The more you RLHF a model the worse and worse it becomes at drawing stuff in SVG/coding. [link]

Adding a female perspective. Getting to a healthy BMI will greatly enhance attraction. If at all possible, avoid gaining weight in the face and stomach. Use recent photos. My biggest disappointment is discovering that a man's photos are years old. All three lines have since changed - hairline, jawline, waistline.

Peptobismol and Imodium can be combined in all but rare instances, usually when you wouldn't want to take one of them in particular (think dysentery, not regular travel shits), different mechanisms of action.

or the tiresome cars/guns comparison?

I missed my chance at the time, so I'll put it here.

You want guns to be more like cars? Fine, let's do that. If the government wanted to spend a few billion on public gun ranges all across the country, mandated a gun safe in every new house, added firearm safety to the highschool curriculum, bailed out failing manufacturers, and also let people build/buy/use them freely outside of the new infrastructure they built, then I'd be pretty happy. Heck, I'd even compromise on that last point if they did the rest.

Is this about the legality of my statement vis a vis the rules of themotte, or about its truth/probability?

If the latter, I agree that those sources do not prove that a woman’s quora answer is on average less correct. But they do make it more likely my statement is true. I don't think women who answer general questions on the internet are subject to selection effects as strong as men on fashion forums.

If the former, demanding that a commenter proves every inflammatory statement is a prohibitively high standard.

I didn’t say that AIs are women/feminine or that women are parrots. I said the AI in this instance went from parroting men to parroting women, that would explain the gain in empathy and the loss in accuracy.

AI companies all fail at naming things. There was:

  • Claude 3.5 (June 2024)
  • Claude 3.5 (October 2024)
  • Claude 3.7 (Feb 2025)

You're probably thinking of the one between the original 3.5 and 3.7.

Cherry picking but free lunches are just unironically a good thing. Investing in childhood nutrition has a demonstrably positive return, and it's also pretty basically the sort of coordination problem a well ordered government is designed to solve. Good childhood nutrition improves heath and intelligence with diffuse social benefits extending out well beyond just the parents normally required to pay for it. Maybe you have some implementation bugbear, or just want to complain about the quality of school meals in general, but I'm still pretty sure that free school lunches are both a good idea in principle and a net positive as actually implemented.

For whatever it's worth, I think both your example comments are wrong and retarded (and I even replied to one of them with a 4chan copypasta effectively saying as much) but I didn't downvote either of them. The reason being that downvotes (and upvotes) are for narcissistic ninnies who care way too much about imaginary internet points.

The old adage that goes, "anything you say should be at least two of: true, kind, useful" accurately encapsulates the tradeoff. The vast majority of communication benefit from being all three of these things... I wouldn't want, for example, and untrue, unkind, useless pasta recipe. But at some point along the optimization curve you start to hit serious tradeoffs. A well-ordered mind know when to make any given tradeoff... For example, It's best to be true and useful when describing gun safety, and it's best to be kind and useful when interacting with a grieving relative. But choosing what to optimize for at any given time is a matter of strategy and deep context, which AI still struggles with.

Thanks for reading! You can probably tell how much I've put into this and the worst case scenario is that no one ever reads it.

Were you attracted to women before on any level?

I don’t see how conversion therapy can work unless you start off at least a little bit bi. There’s something just neurological different about gay vs straight brains and you can’t change that through therapy anymore than you can fix epilepsy. I also find the flip side - e.g. straight men watching gay porn and “turning gay” because straight porn became too boring - to be similarly questionable.

this is, for me, hands-down meme of the year.

Isn't it a massive meme (based in fact) that even the most pure and apparently useless theoretical mathematics ends up having practical utility?

Hell, it even has a name: "The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Mathematics in the Natural Sciences"

Definitely not! The article you're referring to was about theoretical physics having surprising application to the real world, not pure math. The rabbit hole of pure math goes ridiculously deep, and only the surface layers are in any danger of accidentally becoming useful. Even most of number theory is safe - the Riemann Hypothesis might matter to cryptography (which is partly why it's a Millennium Problem), but to pick some accessible examples, the Goldbach Conjecture, Twin Primes conjecture, Collatz conjecture, etc. are never going to affect anyone's life in the tiniest way.

My career never went that way, so I've only dipped my head into the rabbit hole, but even I can rattle off many examples of fascinating yet utterly useless math results. Angels dancing on the head of a pin are more relevant to the real world than the Banach-Tarski paradox. The existence of the Monster group is amazing, but nobody who's not explicitly studying it will ever encounter it. Is there any conceivable use of the fact that the set of real numbers is uncountable? If and when BB(6) is found, will the world shake on its axis? Does the President need to be notified that Peano arithmetic is not a strong enough formal system to prove Goodstein's theorem?

I was surprised about power being an issue and it was a bit of a self inflicted wound. I had a 10k mAh bank which is a lot. My phone's battery is old, and I came away deeply unimpressed with the Edge 840s battery life. I did use Ebike charging ports at restaurants sometimes. The euro concept of lunch was damaging to pace and time though. The German side was a 1.5 hour ordeal, the French side more.

I drank exclusively from faucets and filtered from streams only once. I think my infection could have come from a couple of different places. I normally have a strong stomach, I must have made a dumb mistake.

And yeah, I was right near what felt like the main strip. No beach but concrete steps into the water. Convenient to change into my unused bathing suit id carried with me.

I think that doing it in the lower parts is an excellent idea, especially stringing together hotels and mid-size cities. Do so on the Italian part as well to save money and eat better food... It's a great plan

I appreciate the 'why worry about it' perspective, but being an adult means you have to be honest with yourself, especially when you're at a point where you're making choices that will define your future and affect other people.

The indulgent, careless thing to do would be to just 'roll with it,' get married, and pretend this part of my history doesn't exist. That's the path that ends with me hurting a family someday because I decided to indulge in something hidden, something I refused to honestly confront beforehand.

It's about doing the difficult, private work of self-assessment now so that I don't live with regret, and more importantly, so that I don't betray the trust of a person I promise my life to.

Frankly, I see this process as the absolute opposite of indulgence. I see it as a prerequisite to being a decent husband and man.