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self_made_human
C'est la vie
1d ago
I'm sorry to hear that, and I'm glad to hear he got better.
However, the dose makes the poison. I presume he was using very large doses on a frequent basis, in conjunction with "massive quantities of THC". I can't speak authoritatively about the risks of psychosis from the former, at least not without reviewing the literature first, but the latter? If you have some kind of genetic predisposition, such as to schizophrenia, that will fuck you up. And the more drugs you throw into the mix..
In the case of psilocybin, for therapeutic doses, especially under supervision, the risks are minimal. I would never call psychedelics "harmless", but at least in this instance, when compared to how awful depression can be, I felt the odds were in my favor. Even something as 'benign' as SSRIs can cause mania shortly after initiation. Holding out for something that truly has no risk associated with it is a fool's errand I'm afraid.
Throwaway05
1d ago
Okay but the problem is that psychotically violent is a transient state - at present we hold them away from others while psychotically violent and then release them when they aren't.
A good number of people have one episode of violence or violent potential and then stop.
Likewise the mental health system is somewhat optimized for trying to predict violent potential in advance and head it off. Do you count the people who have committed that "pre crime" or not?
self_made_human
C'est la vie
1d ago
I brought my own entertainment. The study design only offered "relaxing music" and an eye-cover if you were feeling overwhelmed. The music would have worked okay in an elevator or a Thai spa, but was absolutely not to my taste haha.
It's hard to blame them, really. Getting IRB approval for a clinical trial is a PITA on a good day, I strongly suspect that if they wanted to offer entertainment or a walk outside, they'd be raked over the coals, leaving aside the increase in liability and the demands on personnel. I'm certainly interested in trying shrooms in a more congenial environment!
Mihow
Lipstick on a guitar
1d ago
I don’t actually mean to care about the homeless here - it just seems like me putting in my Drivers License to watch a Nikki Sims pov video from 15 years ago or something more obscene and German may lead to someone revealing this to people in an attempt at something.
Replace me with ten million other people I guess.
Maybe it’s an unfounded fear but there’s tens of thousands of people right now upset that Leo went to a wedding - I don’t want to not retire in 20 years because I have a foot fetish, and on occasion watch foot fetish video, of which on occasion veer towards obscenity.
aceventura
1d ago
My impression is that randomly stumbling upon porn was a lot more common in the early years of the internet than it is now. Sure, finding porn if you search for it is super easy, but it doesn't seem to be embedded in ads or links on unrelated websites like it was back then.
dr_analog
top 1% of underdog fetishists
1d ago
But no, you're illegitimate. I'd be willing to fast-track you through the immigration system, but you'd have to go back first
I appreciate the endorsement.
Oh, I was born to two citizen parents. Citizenship is mine by blood.
Well! My blood claim is probably as solid as yours is, maybe even moreso.
You're just a citizen and I am not in your framework by legal technicality.
FCfromSSC
Nuclear levels of sour
1d ago
You accepted violation of the law to allow illegal immigrants in. On what grounds do you appeal to the law now?
I believe I've also been pretty clear that I do not consider the law a valid entity, but welcome my opponents sacrificing their values to uphold it when they are willing to do so.
Hadad
1d ago
To be clear: I want those who are psychotically violent to be indefinitely restrained, and killed if they won't cooperate with the restraint. If for reasons of cost others refuse to let them be indefinitely restrained, I would prefer they be killed than released back into polite society to terrorize everyone else.
Gaashk
1d ago
I read the new ACX Review post about Alpha School (by an anonymous writer, not Scott). It was well written, but a bit of a slog, because it's quite long for an essay, but not as polished as a book. Some thoughts:
- The school in question costs $40,000/year, and the writer sent three children there last year. There were apparently only 10 children in their cohort.
- The big headline for the Alpha School model is that it has only two hours of core academics. I looked at the schedule for my local elementary school, and they have 2.75 hours of core academics. I don't think most people know this. I get the impression the writer, who spent hundreds of thousands of dollars sending three children to this elite private school and wrote a very long essay about it also doesn't know this. Forty-five minutes a day is not nothing, but is not a huge deal or the main thing the school has going for it.
- The other headline is that they progress 2.6 times faster on the state mandated curriculum, so they'll probably finish it all by junior high or so. Sure. Great. It's nice for kids to learn more things sooner.
- They have an incentive structure that appears to cost about $400 per child per year, which they earn mostly for completing their lessons well and on time, and can buy real things that they like, not extremely cheap things that individual teachers can afford to buy themselves, like at many schools. It's not impossible that public schools can adopt this, if they're convinced enough. Medicaid gives mothers points for taking their babies to checkups, which they can use in an online shop to buy books, toys, kitchen items, etc.
- The teachers are well paid ($60,000 - $150,000), not called teachers ("guides"), and have a slightly different schedule structure from public school teachers. In public schools, the art, music, PE, library, and sometimes other teachers are the only specialists, and their schedule is determined entirely by the need to provide a break to the main teachers. There's some office politics around when this "prep" happens, and how the schedules are set up. Apparently at Alpha, all the students work on the digital platform for the first half of the day, and it's not entirely clear what the "guides" are doing during that time -- students ask for individualized help from call center teachers in Brazil -- but given the pay rates, presumably they're doing something. Then they lead clubs and whatnot in the afternoon. That sounds nice, but they're paying them more than the public schools, so I wonder if there's a catch. That's a big part of the question of whether it could scale or not. Could educational assistants do what the Brazilian on call tutors are doing? Could public school teachers do whatever the guides are doing? It's unclear.
- Every public school teacher I've talked to likes the idea of morning academics, afternoon specials. This doesn't work due to the schedules of the specials teachers, and also staggered lunches. Large elementary schools have six lunches a row, and are very inflexible about that. Apparently it works at Alpha both because all the teachers are, to some extent, specials teachers, and they have less than 100 kids, so lunches are not a huge concern.
- I can see why the SSC-sphere is apparently full of well off people with gifted children, but do not personally relate all that strongly. If I were going to send my kids to a school like that, it would be for the better/longer electives and more interesting peer group, more than for the accelerated learning.
Throwaway05
1d ago
To be clear: you want the state to summarily execute between 5-10 percent of the population because of the presence of severe mental illness?
Hadad
1d ago
America is a collection of regional blood-tied communities -- at least, it was. I accept that rootless cosmopolitans have spread about and diluted themselves so fully they're not a people of any tribe or place, but blood is still the most important tie. Those people are just deeply unfortunate and damaged.
Owlify
1d ago
I was talking about raising kids mostly. Although being an equal contributor in a household in marriage is also something teenage girls won't be prepared for. Older mothers are far more sensible and better at raising children than teenagers. This has always been true, even in historical societies, simply because people are more experienced, worldly and have matured more when they are older.
Forty-Bot
1d ago
The main exception I have to this is if there's meta-progression, like in Roguelites, or like Dead Rising.
IMO most roguelites would be better if everything was unlocked from the start and there was no meta-progression. None of this "Wow, looks like you're having a great run but this next area was tuned for people who've unlocked way more stuff so you're probably going to die anyway. Tough luck, I guess you should have died 20 times before having a good run."
Primaprimaprima
...something all admit only "TRUMP", and the Trump Administration, can do.
1d ago
Had a friend who got really into shrooms. It basically ruined his life for a while, and he was only able to recover after he fully quit doing drugs. Went into a sustained severe manic state, spent his entire life savings in short order, lost multiple jobs in quick succession due to erratic behavior, revealed to me detailed plans that if acted upon would have lead to severe social and potentially legal/criminal damage. And the entire time he was subjectively convinced that he had achieved enlightenment and his actions were infallible. It permanently put me off of ever trying shrooms and has made me skeptical of all accounts that portray psychedelics as "harmless".
(Full disclosure, this was confounded by the fact that he was also doing massive quantities of THC at the same time. But then, people present THC as harmless too, so you'd think that harmless thing 1 + harmless thing 2 would be fine...)
Hadad
1d ago
I was born here through no choice of my own. But! I've been here for five decades, speak English fluently, have two houses, was raised in the Christian tradition, have paid millions in taxes, have never been to jail, have a white wife and two white children (three including step child) who are irrefutably citizens via my wife.
It's not your fault your parents fucked you over, and you did the best you could. But no, you're illegitimate. I'd be willing to fast-track you through the immigration system, but you'd have to go back first. Once exceptions start being made, they get made for everyone, otherwise.
Let also let me what you feel you've done to earn being an American citizen, btw.
Oh, I was born to two citizen parents. Citizenship is mine by blood.
Amadan
Enjoying my short-lived victory
1d ago
You know, I am not a puritan and don't really care if porn is available. But are we really supposed to be concerned that homeless people can't access free porn? Like their presence isn't making public libraries and coffee shops unpleasant enough as it is?
sun_the_second
1d ago
"A people" might be. A country is not a people; most countries are too big to be anything but a collection of peoples tied not by blood, but by a language (not always), an army (sometimes not their own) and a flag (usually their own).
A midwestern farmer and a coastal urbanist have no common blood between them. Memes might tie them closer than blood does some tribes. But not blood.
HughCaulk
1d ago
Good post but bruh…
Frankly: I hate all this clinical trial bullshit around psychedelics and mushrooms. They definitely have anti depressive effects, but anyone that does drugs knows that the set/setting of these clinical trials is absolutely awful and retarded. You’re tripping and they just have you watching ig reels and tv?
Take 2 gs of real mushrooms and go for a forest walk and think about life. You’ll actually have some real insights about what’s making you that way. Treating these substances like just another pharma substance isn’t the way.
Drug prohibition is a crime against humanity!
Throwaway05
1d ago
Bipolar + Schizophrenia + Schizoaffective disorder add up to something like 5% of the population. Not all of these people commit violence. Not all of these people end up with an involuntary commitment. Saying "you murdered someone during a manic episode I no longer feel comfortable with you living in the community" is one thing "the severity of your illness is so bad that someone thought you were going to hurt people but you didn't end up doing that, however I'm not sure I feel comfortable with you having guns even if you don't need to be in the hospital 100% of the time is another."
Plenty of people end up transiently psychotic because of things like medical illness, substance use (even caffeine!), sleep deprivation, stress, trauma and so on. Most of these do not go on to kill people. A fraction who do end up with an involuntary commitment are significantly more dangerous and risky.
No, it's actually just correct. Being a citizen of the US is a reward for anyone not entitled to it by blood. We're the best. Everyone knows it.
Just curious, since I don't often receive this kind of candor.
Have I earned it, in your opinion?
I was born here through no choice of my own. But! I've been here for five decades, speak English fluently, have two houses, was raised in the Christian tradition, have paid millions in taxes, have never been to jail, have a white wife and two white children (three including step child) who are irrefutably citizens via my wife.
Also, kindly let me know what you feel you've done to earn being an American citizen.
Hadad
1d ago
The internet has always been open for all.
Well, no, it hasn't.
I get it’s not a right … but having to wait for someone to unlock the deodorant to buy it is annoying as hell.
Yeah, thieves suck.
Hadad
1d ago
"70% chance of further psychosis" is a crazy way to describe a person you think is safe.
Bluntly, yeah, all those people you mentioned I'm cool with indefinitely restraining and/or killing depending on how cooperative they are with restraint. These aren't normal people. Not even the one you call normal. I won't put a price on it, as these costs aren't fixed. The death penalty can be done very cheaply, for instance. We just don't do it that way.
Indeed, if citizenship is a reward why aren't we going full evolutionary humanism instead of focusing on crude bloodline?
There are like poor eighth generation Appalachians who lust for Marxism that are social dead weight compared to the most skilled and industrious red white and blue immigrants eager to come in and deepen our capital and gleefully celebrate Christmas.
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