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AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
1hr ago
Paleoconservatives never say "I disagree with X, but my values require me to respect their right to do it." Their "freedom" and "federalism" and "common law" always ends up only applying to actions they approve of. Ditto with the liberals. Big Tech has the right to censor you because "muh private company" but they never say "I wish company X wouldn't do what they're doing but they're a private company so doing it is their right."
oats_son
1hr ago
From where I sit, I can't really detect any reasoning at all in decisions like this? How could the law possibly fail under heightened scrutiny, given the fact that it's banning a treatment for certain off-label uses for both sexes? Leftist political argumentation baffles me, and looking at all the different ways to analyze things in a conservative way (textualist, originalist, etc), I fail to find any similar differentiation on the left side of the law. This isn't the first time I've felt this way about left wing judges. They seem to be far more activist. In defense of the low IQ remark, I recall Justice Jackson having some really dumb dissents, though I do not recall any right now.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
1hr ago
America had legal abortion from 1973 to 2022 and no such slippery slope was encountered.
ulyssessword
1hr ago
One can just say that parents should have...
Is your "should" borne out as a matter of fact? I don't think so.
You can argue that the asymmetry is unjust, but that's not the same as stating the asymmetry doesn't exist.
oats_son
1hr ago
Haha, I think only a vegan would recommend organic farming out of the blue like that. In the Midwest, not sure how many of those jobs there even are. I have a relative who worked in the farming industry, I helped out a couple days when I was a kid. Working with pig shit sucks. I thought management was something you worked your way up to.
oats_son
1hr ago
Genuinely, I don't know. No idea how I would figure it out, either. The idea has been suggested before, but I am at an impasse, because I'm the only one who programs there, so nobody else could judge. I did okay on my projects at school, though sometimes I lost all motivation to work on stuff if it looked too hard, and I had my share of real bad semesters.
stuckinbathroom
1hr ago
New Russell conjugation: I am a Platonic philosopher-king, you engage in hairsplitting pilpul, he says “It depends upon what the meaning of the word is is”
chooky
1hr ago
Let's say you are the shadow dictator of the Dems. How exactly do you message that you are going back to the "Hey let's be competent technocrats" strategy.
chooky
1hr ago
I would say Buttigieg'a initial rise was more that he was a young mayor in a midwestern state. It would have been a nice story, but it is also the case that everyone realized that a gay candidate would be unelectable in the general even if they never said it.
As I said, it was devil’s advocacy. I agree that one should be required to reap what they’ve sown, and if she didn’t want a baby, she should have kept it in her pants.
In non-devils-advocacy, I think that the negative externalities of an unwanted child and a resentful mother are sufficiently bad for society that my desire to profit society exceeds my desire to force people to eat their just desserts, so on balance I come down grudgingly pro-choice in the end. And I wouldn’t prosecute doctor or mother for straight-up infanticide, let alone late-term abortion. The UK’s new legislation moves us closer to that.
I am reluctant to laud it though, because it’s pretty transparent that British lawmakers’ motivations are, as the OP speculates, “Women can do no wrong”, which means we have good law (or at least lesser-evil law) for bad motives.
magic9mushroom
If you're going to downvote me, and nobody's already voiced your objection, please reply and tell me
1hr ago
Do you endorse "accompaniment" killings like Sati?
The voluntary form is something I can appreciate, if not endorse. Reactionary on deep love, and all.
The involuntary form can fuck off. Murder is bad, news at 11.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
1hr ago
The abortion debate below brought to mind something I've been thinking about for a while. There's been a convergence of sorts between mainstream Republicans/conservatives and the far-right, but there are still many differences, such as on the Single Mother Question. The far-right (which includes most people on this website) views single mothers negatively, while the mainstream conservative view is very different. For instance, here's what Speaker Mike Johnson said about Medicaid:
Medicaid is for single mothers with small children who are just trying to make it. It's not for 29-year-old males sitting on their couch playing video games. We're going to find those guys, and we will SEND them back to work!
Mainstream conservatives and the far-right agree that the welfare state serves to subsidize single motherhood, but only the latter thinks it's a bad thing. Mainstream conservatives' embrace of single motherhood is connected with abortion politics. One mainstream conservative pundit put it succinctly: "you can't be pro-life and anti-single mom." Many on the far-right responded to her tweet with "just watch me" and others scratched their heads, wondering what she meant. But there's a certain logic to it. Much of the motivation for abortion comes from women not wanting to be single mothers. You can respond to this in two ways:
- Tell them not to have premarital sex.
- Tell them to keep the baby because single motherhood is a heroic thing to do; you're CHOOSING LIFE.
The far-right prefers option 1, I've heard it many times on this website. But do you think it will actually be effective in changing behavior? I personally suspect that given the options of not having sex or having sex at the risk you might have to drive out of state and get an abortion and then get shamed by some online anonymous far-rightists, the latter will be the popular option. Just a vague suspicion I have. So it doesn't surprise me that many conservatives choose option 2. It also harmonizes better with the current conservative political coalition, which is increasingly reliant on the votes of low-class and non-white voters who have higher rates of single-motherhood. We wouldn't want to be elitist, looking down our noses at the salt-of-the-earth working class now would we?
solowingpixy
the resident car guy
1hr ago
As evidence that your outgroup is acting in bad faith, you bring up legislation from 40 years ago. 2/3rds of those voters are probably dead
40 years isn't that long in the scheme of politics. It's merely long enough for Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, and Mitch McConnell to have voted for the 1986 amnesty earlier in their careers. Three of the four were either President or their respective party's leader in the Senate six months ago and nothing in the 40 years that followed Simpson-Mazzoli suggests that any of those had an ideological change of heart.
oats_son
1hr ago
I don't find it bad difficult. I do struggle to comprehend what an actual programming job is like. I don't feel like my codebase is that complex, and when I do figure something out, it feels ultimately simple in hindsight. I use grep a lot to look up related functions, which works out most of the time, though sometimes I miss where something is being modified because it's too indirect to be found by grep.
You know, I think you might be right. I think I will dust it off and find something to put on it and fake it 'til I make it, just head to the library with my laptop. Maybe the industry isn't so bad after all. I guess no one here may know, anyway.
WhiningCoil
1hr ago
I fucking love programming, and noodle around in random unprofessional bullshit all the time.
But i spent my childhood obsessed with computers. I also did Computer Engineering with a software focus versus straight comp sci. I felt it gave me a better perspective of how computers actually work.
What's been good for my confidence has been contributing to a smattering of open source projects I used, but which had bugs that annoyed me. Emulators, open source bios, etc. Jumping into foreign code bases is great for experience.
From where I sit, the industry is scary. My little corner in my small government contractor company is fine. But I do wonder if the ladder got pulled up behind me. Some of it is hardcore culture war material, so I have to leave it at that.
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
1hr ago
I would guess they also genuinely believe that its different when we do it. Most people are unable to take anything as literally as they would need to to see the symmerty there. (This is in part why I was surprised. I have strongly internalised that people are crazy, much crazier than being against abortion, and I would have thought you have too) I suppose you could say that they are therefore unable to really believe anything, but that doesnt seem productive.
fribble
1hr ago
Yes. I enjoy it for one but I also ended up with a baby who hated being in the car. Music and poetry recitation got us through so, so many rides in the car. And when she got older it was handy being able to recite on command on boring road trips, at bedtime, or just for fun.
I am old enough that one junior high school English teacher said we needed to be able to recite 100 lines from Romeo and Juliet from memory so we would have something to focus on when we were held hostage in Iran. It stuck, I guess.
Bartender_Venator
1hr ago
From an essay Richard Rorty wrote while he was dying:
I now wish that I had spent somewhat more of my life with verse. This is not because I fear having missed out on truths that are incapable of statement in prose. There are no such truths; there is nothing about death that Swinburne and Landor knew but Epicurus and Heidegger failed to grasp. Rather, it is because I would have lived more fully if I had been able to rattle off more old chestnuts — just as I would have if I had made more close friends. Cultures with richer vocabularies are more fully human — farther removed from the beasts — than those with poorer ones; individual men and women are more fully human when their memories are amply stocked with verses.
SubstantialFrivolity
I'm not even supposed to be here today
1hr ago
Since an accident is the equivalent of pregnancy in this analogy, yes I absolutely think both should be held to the same standard. i.e. both a reckless and responsible person have to deal with the pregnancy.
Its not about the inconvienence. Its about Officially declaring that this is not the thing Good People are supposed to do. Its not a trivial inconvenience countering milgram-power, its taking away milgram power by defrocking. Who a conservative government can actually do that for remains to be seen of course.
SubstantialFrivolity
I'm not even supposed to be here today
2hr ago
fribble
2hr ago
Do you find it bad difficult or just difficult? I love solving problems that I first saw and thought, there's no way, it's too hard. Then banging my head against that wall and thinking I am the biggest idiot who ever was. And then finally getting a glimmer, or a thread to tug and then ... Boom. This can be done! A lot of my programming life has involved a lot of that, also because it self selects. I will grab the impossible over the mundane because I find it more interesting. There are also plenty of keep-the-lights-on programming jobs. That VB6 app that the company needs and also doesn't want to pay for rewriting? Someone has to be willing to baby it and surround it with as much protection as possible. And then there are folks who are in between. But if all this sounds awful, it might just not be for you. Is there other stuff in computers you like? Don't limit yourself - I (think I) got a job offer because I bonded w/one of my interviewers about hours spent making patch cords in my early career. The job has nothing to do with patch cords, cabling, and the only networking was virtual. If something interests you, give it a shot!
You sound stuck. Dust off your resume. Think about perfect world jobs. Could you, or someone who really believed in you, make your resume look ok for one of those jobs? If not, what are you missing and how do you get it? Just do one step today. One more tomorrow. You can look for and even apply to jobs just for practice. You have a job. You're in good shape. Just poke your head out, see what other opportunities there are, see if there's something you would love to grow into.
One of the benefits of looking for a new job when you have a job is when you get an offer, you can decide if you want it. It's safe. (OTOH it is a tough job market right now. My kid is a new grad and she's made it through more 2nd and 3rd round interviews with no offer than is reasonable. Since when does a job suitable for a 21 yr old with the ink on the diploma still wet need 3 interviews?)
oats_son
2hr ago
Well, I have had some limited ability with it. Changing my Discord password to something I can't remember or access at work can help, as Discord is my biggest leech, but the problem is that I can waste time in a lot of different ways. Wikipedia, Google Maps, many things I would have to block that I think would probably not be great to block. I just need to find it within myself to focus, but some days, it's hard.
4bpp
After January 20th, all orange flairs are considered political
2hr ago
In my eyes, the international law thing I mentioned feels like blatant belief substitution (I don't think "rationalisation" is quite the right term for the postulated mechanism, where a low-status value is replaced by a higher-status subgoal that serves it) due to how self-serving and selective it is - but it seems to be believed by absolute majorities in countries like Germany without even having a well-defined proximate outgroup rejecting it. Why would it not be plausible that pro-lifers, who are less of a majority and are in a mutual chokehold against an outgroup rejecting this premise, could do the same thing? (Though to begin with, it's not really well-defined where the boundary between rationalising and normal belief formation even lies.)
It's a harsh reading, but a fair one of Tonia Antoniazzi's rhetoric.
You can argue about whether her proposed amendment actually reflects this, but her rhetoric absolutely does.
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