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Texas is freedom land
1d ago
Hadad
1d ago
This is the crux of our disagreement. I just think it’s manifestly untrue that white people are “systemically and explicitly oppressed” in any country on earth.
Our perspectives have such a vast gulf between them that I don't think there's any point in conversing on the topic, then. You think it manifestly untrue, I think it manifestly true -- I don't even know how to get across the countless ways whites are systemically pushed down if you don't see them all around. College admissions? Hiring discrimination? Grooming gangs? Massive, lopsided tax disparities, whites having their wealth stolen to fund largesse for groups hostile to them? Suppressed birth rates, combined with the deliberate importing of the third world?
Whites are at war. I don't like how SS talks, but he's not wrong there. And he's not wrong that a disproportionate amount of Jews are contributing to it.
FistfullOfCrows
1d ago
No one has ever disputed some jews were in some camps. As with the rona, the more they censor the discussion of the subject and related accepted narratives, the more I am inclined to disbelieve them.
jkf
1d ago
In order to be logical, the arguments must hold up when replacing words, such as "immigrant" by "native", and they do not.
This lemma is not sound -- governments exist to protect the interests of their citizenry; no such obligation exists for people in other countries.
AFAICT the rest of your points rest on this assumption -- which is certainly something you can argue is a good idea a la Caplan, but is ultimately a moral/emotional argument -- so you don't get to privilege your own moral intuition over that of others by claiming to be using 'logic'.
EDIT: i should read more carefully and post not as late at night.
You don't remember the congressional baseball match shootout? Just 8 yrs ago?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_baseball_shooting
Perp was an abusive asshole if you read about his background, strongly political but not a schizo.
The only reason it wasn't a mass murder is luck and maybe the perp not being that great a shot?
Gillitrut
Reading from the golden book under bright red stars
1d ago
Dean
Flairless
1d ago
...until you get outside of the cities with the infrastructure to support a constant surveillance system. Which is to say, most of any given country, including China.
Smart city technologies are indeed a significant counter-insurgency technology. They are not, however, the end-all-be-all, particularly if you have to fight your way into a country to install your own. 'I won't have this problem if I set up a nation-wide panopticon' still requires you to set up a nation-wide panopticon, and those are expensive even without active local and regional resistance, let alone global support flows from cyber attacks / satellite communication support / sanctuary and safezone logistics / etc.
No_one
1d ago
Warheads on missiles are removable. All they'd need to do to launch a nuke is replace the warhead in one of their missiles with a nuclear one.
They know that Israel has invested a ton in missile defense and would probably gamble on being able to shoot down a lone surviving ballistic missile or two.
Israeli ABM consistently fails to intercept fast missiles that evade. It's simply too hard a problem. You need to track them exactly and guide interceptors, which have guidance issues bc of aerodynamic heating onto the incoming stuff.
They can intercept ballistic missiles all right, but not the more modern, faster ones that glide ..
Yeah.
Any argument based on "TFR is going down, which clearly shows that X is the cause" is trivially defeated by the fact that every country has this same outcome regardless of the cultural starting point.
Its almost legitimately bad faith to deploy that argument.
No_one
1d ago
Total informational blackout, facial ID systems and military drones are going to make occupations much less painful. If you can conduct head counts, track every single person with with cameras or transponders and run AIs to spot suspicious activity, anomalous food use or insurgent activity, war of conquest gets a lot easier.
Also, the age of hobbyist level drones being militarily useful against China or Chinese friendly states ends 5 years from now, at worst.
Amadan
Enjoying my short-lived victory
1d ago
The notion I hide my power level is absurd. I'm very open that I view the dynamic between Jews and White Gentiles to be a very profound long-standing cultural and political conflict.
You don't hide that. You hide your final solution. You talk and talk about how "Jews are a threat." Okay, what should we do about this threat? (SS posts more random stuff about how some Jew did something, see how threatening they are, and look! Israel!) How do you want to acknowledge and engage this threat?
I don't think the USG wants to kill all the Iranians even though the USG considers them to be a threat.
Gentiles are not at war with Jews. Neither are a nation. If by analogy you think we should be bombing the Jews' infrastructure to deprive them of offensive capabilities, so to speak, how would you propose to do that?
I wouldn't even say what Ignatiev says about Jews. I don't call for the end of Jewish identity but the renaissance of a White identity.
Cool, I am a white person with Russian, German Jewish, Irish, Scottish, English, and Norwegian ancestry and (according to DNA testing, much to my surprise) about 20% random North African, Southwest Asian, and Turkish admixture. How should I identify? Am I Jew because of my Jew blood, even though my entire family is physically and culturally WASP? Do I get to count as white? Which side should I take in the wars to come?
faceh
1d ago
Kinda has to be, if every single country involved in manufacturing any bullet used to fire at your troops is now at war with you, things would escalate very rapidly.
All the more so in the current age of globalized industry.
That said, yeah, if your country is selling fully manufactured high end weaponry to another country with the basic knowledge that its going to be used in an extant conflict, you're clearly tapdancing on a somewhat blurry line.
Selling gasoline to a belligerent country is at least plausibly deniable, since it has civilian uses.
TequilaMockingbird
Brown-skinned Fascist MAGA boot-licker
1d ago
Well it couldn't possibly have been the CIA, the Mob, or some radicalized socialist, ergo it must have been the perfidious Jew.
ArjinFerman
Tinfoil Gigachad
1d ago
can you give sine examples?
I don't see how that's related to anything, but sure, here you go.
No_one
1d ago
Don't worry about Taiwan war.
American magazines of anti-missile interceptors are so low they'd never even get carriers in range to help Taiwan.
The war would be, perhaps, a blockade of Malacca straits and some posturing/cyber warfare etc.
ArjinFerman
Tinfoil Gigachad
1d ago
What for? He'll intercept any missiles with his bare hands. Or feet, as it were.
No_one
1d ago
They provided blueprints and a couple thousand, so maybe (gasp) $30,000,000 in crappy drones. That's less than a single jet.
Russians are now making Geran-2 drones wholly on their own.
Dean
Flairless
1d ago
It wasn't chuck Norris - you would only need 1 plane, not 6.
Well, clearly the other stealth bombers are diversions to disguise Chuck Norris's actual entry point for as long as possible.
No_one
1d ago
Israel isn't a NPT member state.
The actual impetus appears to be the stockpile of 60% enriched uranium, but 60% enriched uranium isn't itself a violation of the NPT.
With modern centrifuges that's a few days away from material for efficient uranium bombs.
SecureSignals
Training the Aryan LLM
1d ago
But come now, SS, you tactically hide your power level but your agenda is not merely JAQing about why so many Jews.
The notion I hide my power level is absurd. I'm very open that I view the dynamic between Jews and White Gentiles to be a very profound, long-standing cultural and political conflict that is even deeply rooted in the Jewish religion itself. Ignatiev is just a figment of that conflict. But what gets annoying is that you won't allow me to simply recognize a political or cultural adversary as such. I have to be an exterminationist hiding my power level. Yes, they are a threat obviously. But acknowledging and engaging a threat is not the same thing as being an exterminationist. I don't think the USG wants to kill all the Iranians even though the USG considers them to be a threat.
I wouldn't even say about Jewish identity what Ignatiev says about White identity. I don't call for the end of Jewish identity but the renaissance of European identity, and that's not simply because I'm hiding my power level. I do accept the reality that Jewish influence in politics and culture is a huge counterforce to any political or cultural effort to achieve that, with Ignatiev only being one of many examples of Jewish academics pathologizing White racial identity while declaring strong opposition to anti-Semitism. But on the other end of the political spectrum you have Ben Shapiro who is also opposed to White identity.
What are we to make of the fact that two figures so politically divergent as Ignatiev and Shapiro still oppose White identity and strongly support Jewish identity?
coffee_enjoyer
☕️
1d ago
”undeclared” is doing a lot here
Not at all. The Symington Amendment and the Glenn Amendment forbid America from providing aid to countries which have no IAEA oversight.
No_one
1d ago
Aren't Israelis guaranteed to blow up the Kharg island oil terminal and any other terminals if Iran refuses to hand over the uranium?
Dean
Flairless
1d ago
Individuals also tend to consider it to be very different in terms of moral responsibility, and culpability, when helping other people do things they want to do versus when you do something yourself. Individuals have agency and individual responsibility for the actions they choose to do.
Of course, that there is the rub. A common stumbling block in characterizing international affairs is the hyperagency versus hypoagency bias, where the a country's agency is inflated and anyone else's agency and responsibility is diminished / ignored.
I think everyone is motivated to some extent by their identity and environment, but I don't think Ignatiev's evil is motivated by his Jewish identity. He's embraced globohomo, not Jewish Supremacy, far as I can tell -- but I don't know the man outside of this quote everyone's been debating, so if you have something else condemning him, by all means share. It wouldn't be hard to persuade me against him, I think he's obviously a piece of shit.
And unlike you, I would call him evil.
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