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Off-topic, mostly just posting because some people who will be drawn to this thread might enjoy this and not have seen it:
Shane Gillis and Steve Gerben on Late Night with Seth Myers
Cumtown-adjacent Shane Gillis dragged his favorite jewish punching bag along with him into a mainstream national spotlight, and it went well.
There is a stark contrast between MSSP's fate vs Cumtown/TAFS (I am very comfortable calling with high certainty right now that Adam Friedland will not become "The Joe Rogan of the Left", for reasons already well explained by others in this thread), that... is not actually that surprising after reflecting on the personalities involved, but is still pretty crazy to see for people who've watched both from the early days.
atelier
Jimmys: unrustled
1d ago
I'm still kinda baffled that the janitor from News Radio became an actual person of national influence.
Wave_Existence
1d ago
hope nobody tells him how heroin addiction correlates with dying with Alzheimer's
Muninn
"Dick Laurent is dead."
1d ago
So it potentially helps Elon to some extent, to make a more dramatic break from Trump with big WWF promos cut from both of them. It depends on how the media plays it, but this could be the same kind of whiplash that erases a fair amount of elon derangement among democrats and lets him slip out of washington with a bit more independent posture intact.
Hmm, this brings to mind the old chestnut about how Howard Hughes used to denounce all of his former executives when they left his employ. If I remember the story correctly, this was a deliberate ploy on Hughes' part. Said employee would then sue Hughes for defamation and Hughes would settle, thereby giving his former employee a large sum of cash that was, thanks to the court involvement, free of taxation.
Dean
Flairless
1d ago
It wouldn't be a singular benefit, but benefits. As long as both parties have their own interests being advanced, they don't need a singular.
As for specific potential benefits: the clearest benefit is for Elon getting to politically distance himself from Trump and Doge as he returns back to being 'just' a business man and the various other actors who might want to capitalize on a Trump-Musk 'split.' Benefits to Trump are more nuanced, but could serve an internal political party management- the nominal straw that is breaking Trump-Musk is the budget, annd this could be used as a circle-the-wages call (demand) to get the Republicans on board to pass the bill despite the fiscal conservative objections.
If this was a coordinated break, however, I imagine it would be to bait the Democrats in Congress towards the Epstein file that Musk called attention to. This feud is the insinuation that it incriminates Trump, which is catnip to the Dems, but if this were coordinated, then both parties could know that Trump himself is not condemned, but also that other (mutual) political opponents might be. If the Epstein file was released by Trump directly, it could be dismissed as a political attack fabrication. If the Democrats 'force' it open during Congressional hearing discovery, they'd be owning the responsibility / consequence for any fallout. When you consider how MeToo ended up scalping more notable Democrats than Republicans....
(And- at the same time- the previous individual benefits listed above.)
To be clear- this isn't saying/claiming this is the reason. Merely that this is an example of a political ploy a fake falling out could serve.
Muninn
"Dick Laurent is dead."
1d ago
Again, I agree on all counts! I actually didn't know that borderline referred to borderline psychosis either, in fact. Initially, I took it to mean that BPD meant that the individual didn't have much of a personality of their own and adapted the personality of their friends a la Single White Female because that was my sister's behavior. And not only do I agree that there's waaaaaaaaaaay too much equivalence between mood swings and bipolar in general, I'd also add that I've heard people at work say that they deliberately diagnosed a BPD client with bipolar to get them access to services that they would otherwise be ineligible to receive because personality disorder.
On the final front, I can't help but wonder if the environmental chaos that surrounds the BPD individual plus the individual genetics just make it that much easier for BPD to emerge from the witches' brew of the home. I know, for instance, that my mother would often go back to her ur-trauma of losing her father at a tender young age, compounded by her mother quickly marrying another man to re-make the family, and I do ultimately believe that there's a lot of truth there in her specific case. Likewise, when my sister and I were young (she would have been 4), mom was in a serious car accident and almost died, so that or perhaps going through with a planned move to another state on the heels of that could have done it for her. Regardless, I can only speculate.
Throwaway05
1d ago
Yeah, I completely agree, although I think that the "borderline" aspect of BPD conveys important information, namely that the sufferer's emotional distortions can be indistinguishable from psychosis.
You aren't wrong but I don't think anybody really knows this these days except for die hard psychodynamicisists and I can't even spell that.
Wish people knew that though, same for "mood swings are not manic episodes." Every fucking doctor needs to know that one.
In any case my understanding of the state of the research is that it is a two hit situation - you mostly need the genetic predisposition AND the environmental stimulus. However as I suspect you know from past convos - cluster-b coping mechanisms from cultural heritage or family dynamics aren't necessarily the true disorder.
phosphorus2
1d ago
Republicans have a strong incentive to drop a big bailout to keep the urban machines from going whole-hog with the democrats again
GOP has no incentive to bail these guys out, and every incentive to let them go bankrupt. The gop will never pull these cities and they know it. Slight chance they could have pre trump, 0% post trump. If (when) they go bankrupt, they have a huge chip to bargain with and will force concessions.
LateMechanic
1d ago
Remember that weird moment when Colbert announced that Comey had been fired by Trump? The audience cheered, before being corrected by Colbert that Comey was now a good guy and was to be lionized if you're anti-Trump (the updated narrative which went on for the next month or so in the media).
So it potentially helps Elon to some extent, to make a more dramatic break from Trump with big WWF promos cut from both of them. It depends on how the media plays it, but this could be the same kind of whiplash that erases a fair amount of elon derangement among democrats and lets him slip out of washington with a bit more independent posture intact.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
Maternal mortality with no medical care isn't anywhere near 10% per birth- it's 1-2% per birth in the least developed parts of subsaharan Africa and that seems to line up with historic data from Europe(granted, needs to be taken with a grain of salt).
roystgnr
1d ago
But Trump's election was specifically a repudiation of the Republican establishment's weakness on illegal immigration, wasn't it? Even his eagerness to be obnoxious to opponents was seen as insurance against the possibility of him becoming yet another Republican who would go weak-kneed and try to thread the needle between "grr, we hate illegal immigration" among their voters and "oh, but what can we do about it in a divided government? better trade another sweeping amnesty for some minor hypothetical enforcement concessions" in DC. The Democrats' only difference from the repudiated Republicans was that they were supporting the same outcome overtly rather than dishonestly, and Trump's base was centered around opposition to that specific outcome, not principled opposition to dishonesty, so there wasn't a lot of room for collaboration there.
The Democratic strategy of "help get people pissed off at an opponent who's pretty good at pissing people off" would have been a great one (for their own strategic interests; perhaps not for the country as a whole), if only they'd been able to field candidates and policies that weren't also pissing everyone off in different ways.
self_made_human
C'est la vie
1d ago
Please don't kill manned spaceflight. Please don't kill manned spaceflight.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
Man, I remember that news story. Mostly, I remember the jokes about how it was pointless to petition Taylor Swift to break up with her boyfriend when she was obviously going to anyways because Taylor Swift.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
The democrats need someone who's good at his(and it has to be a man) job and not someone who can hit the right shibboleths and characteristics. Currently they have Olivia Juliana in charge of their effort, who's best known for her weight and also somewhat well known for failing at being a progressive influencer even by the low standards of the Texas Democratic trainwreck-of-a party.
'Failing upwards landwhale feminists want to appeal to you' is not how you get a workable plan for winning over young men. It's how you get troll answers and a money pit. Democrats need someone who's legitimately popular on his own, who gets to color outside the lines a bit, who's a man's man that appeals to men. Legitimately, the failing upwards reputation is one they need to shed just like the Karen reputation. I don't know if this guy is the guy for that. But I will say- Joe Rogan didn't become a big deal because of his association with Trump. He became a big deal and Trump won him over.
ArmedTooHeavily
1d ago
This Kurzgesagt video evokes a similar feeling to me: losing something that can never be regained, the crushing weight of the rules of material reality.
Tollund_Man4
2d ago
His big projects are World Peace and Kickstarter TV. World Peace 2 is coming out soon too. Some other clips I have saved:
hydroacetylene
2d ago
It's actually worse than that- democrats really need the urban political machines soldiering on their side like true fanatics and not by half measures. There's also several dozen large municipal debt crises gonna blow up, and political/economic realities mean someone is going to have to get bailed out, at least partially(the entire US insurance system is underwritten by municipal debt). Republicans have a strong incentive to drop a big bailout to keep the urban machines from going whole-hog with the democrats again, democrats have a strong incentive to drop an even bigger bailout to get them to go whole hog for the democrats again, everyone has insurance industry lobbyists in their ears explaining how the crisis needs a bailout.
hydroacetylene
2d ago
The abundance democrats are also buffoons, albeit less buffoonish than other democrats. They're like paultards with a D after their name.
We're simply in a downward swing on the western civilizational cycle. The next boom we'll conquer Mars, Venus, maybe the stars. But the west doesn't have its shit together well enough right now and no one else has the capability and desire.
hydroacetylene
2d ago
Ok, were I a Musk aid I would be strongly advising him to shut his mouth. There's schizo theories galore, but at a basic level, Elon is a drug addict who happens to be good at math right now. And yeah, it's politically impossible to cut spending because everyone likes gibs. Old people, young people, black people, white people, poor people, rich people, small furry people from alpha centauri- they may not agree on anything else, but they all agree they like free shit. It keeps the lottery in business. It gets politicians elected. Promising something for nothing makes the world go round. Trump understands that and Elon is, I guess, not grasping there's nothing to be done about it. Brown Argentina, here we come.
Dean
Flairless
2d ago
If the Democrats were capable of that level of self-control, they would have worked with the 90s-era democrat who got elected in a repudiation to the Republican establishment a decade ago.
Gaashk
2d ago
Ultimately, even pro-choice women mostly want humanity to continue another generation. So we have a volunteer military, and volunteer motherhood. If people stop volunteering, then that society deserves their slide into irrelevance and possible subjugation that will follow.
Wave_Existence
2d ago
i used to be somewhat of a sam hyde defender, i definitely see him in a more forgiving light than most leftists. It would take me 30 minutes to put together a reel of clips that would make someone think he is double mega hitler. The guy is utterly radioactive in a leftist political context.
Far-group just means no one thinks you are able to present a threat. A mongolian goatherder is, presumably, both of our far-group. Xi Jinping is, presumably, both of our outgroup. You are far-group to everyone because libertarians lose almost all the time(sometimes they have chainsaws and cloned dogs). If Elon was actually Trump's puppetmaster you'd be lots of people's outgroups.
It's not differentness, it's unworthiness of notice.
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