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BreakerofHorsesandMen
Sweet Sejenus
4hr ago
I feel like if I report this as a quality contribution, the mods will start ignoring my other positive reports.
But this is a quality contribution.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
4hr ago
You're right that Auron does not give an alternative plan to co-opt EHC, but do you have one?
No more Trump, RFK, Hulk Hogan, or prayer breakfasts.
YE_GUILTY
4hr ago
Maybe they could, but irrelevance is not what I'm hearing them say.
Though I'm sure it can be found written in the Library of Babel that is Twitter.
BreakerofHorsesandMen
Sweet Sejenus
4hr ago
I mentioned my coworker as a shorthand for the pervasive phenomenon of people complaining about their marriages in relation to a pontification that marriage was easier than having an employee as a billionaire. To that extent you're not even elevating a point by imagining things about my coworker, just bloviating a cope.
Call me Copius Maximus! Call me Blovius Rex! Call me a delusional faggot wife guy, let it all out. Get it all out of your system, it’s good for you. But you’re finally admitting that approach was a weak support for your argument, so we’re making progress.
Now we’re talking about what you consider to be a pervasive phenomenon. But there is also a pervasive phenomenon of people complaining about everything. People like to complain. People also like to say positive things, often about the same things they complain about.
If you are only hearing complaints, and only listen to the complaints while ignoring countervailing feedback, you’re closing off your intellectual space. There is no difference, besides the perceived rudeness of the language, between you dismissing all the “wife guys,” and me dismissing your loser coworker.
'Some kind of utility' is not relevant as a point of comparison between whether or not delegating a duty to your wife or an employee is an easier way to go about organizing your lives together. The post I replied to gave examples of the utility of having a marriage. I asserted that these examples and others categorically like them are not relevant for a billionaire and are therefor not arguments in favor of marriage for a billionaire.
Do you think there is any utility at all to marriage, for a billionaire?
WandererintheWilderness
4hr ago
So, if we're hearing about HBD less in a period of right-wing ascendancy, as compared with a period of left-wing ascendancy (e.g. when Black Lives Matter defined the discourse,) that strongly suggests the defensive explanation is true.
Does it? The anti-HBD side as you define it could just as well say that the pro-HBDers have gone quiet because their guy is already god-emperor, so they no longer need intellectual grounding to "construct systems of white supremacy" instead of getting on with oppressing non-whites directly.
(Of course, I don't believe either side of the meta-debate.)
WhiningCoil
4hr ago
New adventures in aging! I hit 140 snatch reps two weeks in a row. The old broken bone in my right hand stopped aching, might have been more weather related than anything. But now I appear to have developed some bursitis in my right heel?! When will it ever end! So I'm stretching that out basically every hour for some temporary relief and taking Tylenol twice a day.
My goal is 200 reps by October, which really only gives me 4-ish months to add on 60 more reps. I suspect I'm not gonna make it.
PutAHelmetOn
Recovering Quokka
4hr ago
Is he? Cofnas implies that facts will persuade EHC to flip sides, and Auron is saying facts and arguments have failed to do that. Is there an objective debate moderator who can determine if Cofnas is right because evidence wasn't presented; or if Auron is right because the evidence was presented, and ignored?
You're right that Auron does not give an alternative plan to co-opt EHC, but do you have one?
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
4hr ago
Anyone remember that whole "HBD" thing? You don't hear much about it anymore.
And then you had to go and fuck it up.
HereAndGone
4hr ago
If by "non-Hajnali" you mean "on the other side of the Hajnal line", you seem to be referring to this map where allegedly the blue line marks area which "did not conform to Western Europe's marriage pattern" i.e. late marriage and low fertility:
The Western European marriage pattern is a family and demographic pattern that is marked by comparatively late marriage (in the middle twenties), especially for women, with a generally small age difference between the spouses, a significant proportion (up to a third) of people who remain unmarried, and the establishment of a neolocal household after the couple has married.
I'm... not particularly convinced by that map because I think there is a degree of cherry-picking going on (why the line around Finland, for instance?) but even if mediaeval Ireland wasn't in tune with mediaeval Britain (citation very definitely needed, because if this theory is going to emphasise the role of the Church then Ireland was and remained Catholic longer than the Brits), but say for the sake of argument we accept that.
You forget the role of the Famine. That steamrollered over traditional Irish culture and pushed for late marriage, higher age at marriage, lots of unmarried people, etc. because now the emphasis was on "marry for money, money is survival" - women needed dowries, men needed jobs or land which would be worth something for the bride's family. If the money and land in the family went to the eldest son and eldest daughter to get them married, then the younger siblings were disadvantaged. Working to earn enough money or waiting for parents to die off and let you inherit the land mean waiting until being older to marry.
And emigration solved the problem of our 'excess' population.
I mean, the US has never invested ground forces in taking out any military group directly opposing Israel.
The Iraq war was fought on behalf of Israel at the behest of Zionist Jews in the American foreign policy apparatus who fabricated intelligence on WMDs for the purpose of manipulating the US into war against Israel's regional rivals. The Iraq War was fought for Israel, not for WMDs and certainly not for Oil or Democracy.
PutAHelmetOn
Recovering Quokka
4hr ago
Yes, discomfort with white solidarity often manifests as labeling it "racism," but it's not clear this can said to be a cause.
An example cause: Historically, white solidarity has lead to genocide, so people are uncomfortable with it.
urquan
Every one who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted.
4hr ago
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And most descendents of Borderers have intermarried with descendents of non-Borderers. You simply can't trace most white Americans' ancestry in a clean unbroken line back to specific founding-era groups without lots of intermarriage and interconnection. This is why I find the discussion in some groups about "founding stock" to be inane, I have a large cluster of ancestors who were apparently here before portions of the 13 colonies were even ruled by Britain, and another large cluster of ancestors who came in the 1800s and early 1900s. Most whites are the same.
I fully understand the diversity of my ancestors, and I think picking just one of those and saying "this is me" is very silly. I treasure their stories and what they contribute to my heritage; I have a copy of the original Lutheran hymnal in German that my great-great grandmother owned. But I speak American English, watch American movies, am concerned about American politics and eat American cuisine, I celebrate the Fourth of July and when I stand, I lean. I'm an American, of European descent. Anything more specific is irrelevant.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
4hr ago
Auron's just talking past him. He says "the institutions must be dismantled and replaced from the ground up with organizations that reject wokeness and the root ideology of universal material equality" and doesn't address the issue that you can't do that without human capital.
TIRM
4hr ago
One of my favorite articles. A white nationalist realizes he is actually the true rootless cosmopolitan. He also seems to really distrust and maybe dislike white women. Which is going to make having white babies very hard.
I hope he found happiness with a good Mexican or Asian woman, since he doesn't much seem to like white ones.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
4hr ago
but the little nugget about "up to a third of programming is now done by AI" does seem to be a straw in the wind. Yes? No? Just means they're not hiring new junior staff?
Jevon's paradox applies to programmers.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
4hr ago
Yes, Toruk is mixed I think, so any racial solidarity movement would exclude him
I'm a mischling, which "soft WN" is full of.(BAP, Yarvin, etc.)
Probably the reason he is obsessed with white identitarians is not that they are currently powerful, but that they are up-and-coming
Yep.
HereAndGone
4hr ago
So, is AI coming for the programmer jobs? There's a news story in my country about Microsoft seeking redundancies globally which probably means chopping jobs here as well, and one paragraph mentions AI:
Microsoft employs around 4,000 people in Ireland, with a further 2,000 people employed at its subsidiary, Linkedin, which has a base in Dublin.
The cuts are to be implemented across several divisions and geographical offices, according to the Seattle Times, reporting from Microsoft’s global headquarters.
The tech giant has said that the layoffs are part of a restructuring effort.
Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella recently disclosed that up to a third of programming at the tech company is now done by AI, with a higher percentage likely.
However, the current cuts are thought to be aimed across several job categories, including sales and middle-management.
...The company has previously said that cuts would involve "streamlining the organisation, eliminating management layers”, with no further detail on the sectors to be targeted, other than that it intended to shrink expenses in “R&D, marketing, general and administrative” divisions.
Granted, that seems to be trimming jobs across management and admin rather than software engineers, but the little nugget about "up to a third of programming is now done by AI" does seem to be a straw in the wind. Yes? No? Just means they're not hiring new junior staff?
Magusoflight
4hr ago
Albion’s Seed is instructive here. Lots of Borderers are likely over represented
YE_GUILTY
4hr ago
Hm, thank you for bringing this up.
One thing I remember of the HBD debate is the meta-debate over why it's being discussed at all. The anti-HBD side is not quiet about their belief that pro-HBDers are just racists seeking to deploy this information as an offensive weapon, so that they may construct a system of white supremacy. The pro-HBD side sometimes says that it's mainly brought up defensively, as a counterargument to assertions that the only cause for outcome disparities between racial groups has to be white racism, (and therefore the only solution to outcome disparities is to squeeze white people more until they give up whatever kind of oppression they're doing.)
So, if we're hearing about HBD less in a period of right-wing ascendancy, as compared with a period of left-wing ascendancy (e.g. when Black Lives Matter defined the discourse,) that strongly suggests the defensive explanation is true.
And I'm relieved, because I don't want to live in a society of enforced racial hierarchies, whether they're built on IQ or on blood guilt or on anything else.
TIRM
4hr ago
why does the concept of white solidarity make you uncomfortable?
In common discourse, no one would say "white solidarity", they refer to this concept as "racism". I suppose most people would be uncomfortable with something they pattern match to open proud racism.
HereAndGone
4hr ago
That photo looks amazing 😁 I have no idea why you would get married at a particular hole on a golf course, but I'm sure it had some deep and significant meaning to the happy couple. Glad you had a blast at the wedding, and at least the Magerko groom's family didn't have to pay famous guests to attend, they invited people they actually knew!
thejdizzler
4hr ago
I have quite a few Joe Abercrombie books to read still.
thejdizzler
4hr ago
I will probably do most of the trail (planning a ten mile run). Just have hill repeats in my plan and thought it would be cool to understand a little more what Pickett's charge is like.
PutAHelmetOn
Recovering Quokka
4hr ago
Very perceptive of you. Yes, Toruk is mixed I think, so any racial solidarity movement would exclude him.
Probably the reason he is obsessed with white identitarians is not that they are currently powerful, but that they are up-and-coming. Also, its probably the only actual racial identitarian movement in US politics that anyone talks about. I'm not even sure you can say woke is properly a racial identitarian movement, since it makes concessions to a long list of non-racial coalition groups.
Trump is demonstrably capable of gaining power though, and you’re not, so assuming your Nietszchean WTP movement is, as seems tautological, more directionally aligned with him than with current bio-Leninist leftists, how are you going to build on his provable successes?
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