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pusher_robot
PLEASE GO STAND BY THE STAIRS
2hr ago
The gravity of the incident was not about the twitter comments but the media coverage, which was both defamatory and inflamatory.
Ioper
2hr ago
Now that I think about, everyone I knew with well trained dogs has them on shock collars. But maybe that's regional or social bubble related.
I would assume so. As I said, I know literally no-one that uses them and that includes Trump voting Americans with land (California, Nevada and Colorado).
VoxelVexillologist
Multidimensional Radical Centrist
2hr ago
Somebody has to pick the crops and slaughter the chickens and thats a very reasonable principled exception.
Without really wanting to weigh in on whether this statement is true or not, it's at least possible to note that Congress in its wisdom created visa categories (H-2A, H-2B) for these sorts of jobs. Is it completely crazy to think "maybe we should actually use (or expand/modify as necessary) the existing visa program, rather than allow 'anything goes' under the table"?
Although there's probably an interesting tangent on using AI and robotics in slaughterhouses.
FCfromSSC
Nuclear levels of sour
2hr ago
...are you on substack?
Not yet.
One could point out that one way to avoid worries of a slave revolt would be to simply not build your economy on the backs of forced labor from an imported underclass that continues to grow...
Are you under the impression that I disagree with John Brown's actions?
MotteInTheEye
2hr ago
It's wild how many commenters seem to react to the idea of any negative feedback whatsoever to a working animal as if it was unthinkable. Dogs were bred to be conditioned to do the jobs that humans assigned them. Laying down on a comfortable bed for hours on end is very much a job that a dog can do, and that a dog can find satisfaction in when it knows it is doing its job well. A tiny stimulus from an e-collar as an occasional reminder is an incredibly normal dog training behavior, despite the efforts of radical positive-feedback-only advocates to dramatically shift the Overton window over the past two decades.
pusher_robot
PLEASE GO STAND BY THE STAIRS
2hr ago
I disagree, it's simply looking at the tradeoffs of enforcement within certain contexts. If the harm of enforcement within a certain context would be greater than the benefits, that doesn't invalidate enforcement everywhere.
Capital_Room
rather dementor-like
2hr ago
What is a young man supposed to do when he's hobbled from the start by educational programs that favor women, college admissions that favor women, jobs programs and diversity mandates that favor women, and a general social environment that favors women?
"Man up" and overcome all the challenges that face him through masculine vigor and endurance, all with an uncomplaining stoic demeanor, or die trying? Recognize that he is the "disposable sex" who has to earn his personhood through deeds and through suffering?
hydroacetylene
2hr ago
But those ads are in English. Might I suggest that they’re campaign ads for Trump and not actually targeted at illegals?
if this alleged mistreatment of the dog is what gets him cancelled, it's pretty revealing what certain people's priorities actually are
I don't think it's so much a question of priorities. The people that Hassan mistreats, he would argue (and his audience would agree) are evil people that deserve it. And for that matter, he could be right; I don't know enough about it to say for those people, but I do believe some people are evil and do deserve bad treatment.
Dogs though, I'm not convinced at all are capable of evil. They either act according to their natural instincts, or they act how they've been trained. Thus I find mistreating a dog is a worse act of villainy against an innocent than mistreating a person that you believe is evil.
professorgerm
found a needlessly pedantic hill to die on
2hr ago
Vote for me my niggas!
Head of State isn't a great movie, but it is a decently funny artifact of a different time in US politics and culture: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_of_State_(2003_film)
pusher_robot
PLEASE GO STAND BY THE STAIRS
2hr ago
Yes - there is supermajority support essentially everywhere for curtailing abuse of the humanitarian and family-based routes to immigrate to first-world countries, based on the accurate belief that the people who get in that way are, on average, bad neighbours. We should do so.
And yet, it doesn't happen. Curious!
hydroacetylene
2hr ago
Uh, what do you want done instead of immigrants on farms?
faceh
2hr ago
Yeah, my experience is that once you're able to fully articulate your problem and request to them, with specificity and supporting documentation, they get like 80+% of the way there on the first shot, and then you correct them in the places where it wasn't able to quite get your intent.
Which, yeah, that's the same issue you'd have if you hired a human to help too.
2rafa
2hr ago
A lot of the failure comes from the fact that European countries could not really fathom a guest worker program with NO route to permanent residency. There was a need for guest workers, but we should just have used the Kafala system. No family members. No route to citizenship. Mandatory return home for a 6 month period every 5 years.
hydroacetylene
2hr ago
recruitment has completely collapsed.
Recruitment collapse is in large part due to the decline in working class human capital. Cops have high standards(reasonably so) and human capital has gotten worse.
NullHypothesis
2hr ago
There is a culture war angle here about how some people like animals way more than humans.
Considering all the things Hasan has previously done and said (things that break the Twitch TOS like doxing other people and arguably inciting violence with inflammatory rhetoric), if this alleged mistreatment of the dog is what gets him cancelled, it's pretty revealing what certain people's priorities actually are.
This story was brought up on some discord servers I'm in with people that lean mostly left/center and the consensus is that's "subhuman" behavior from Hasan. So it's not something that's just circulating around his haters.
That being said, I highly doubt this is what gets Hasan cancelled, or that this will be a major blow to his reputation. Anyone who isn't a fan of Hasan probably already greatly dislike him, and many people on the left aren't huge fans of Hasan. The worst this can do is get some of his existing fans to stop watching his content.
07mk
2hr ago
My father got a shock collar for one of our dogs when I was a kid in the 90s-00s, to let her out in our yard without having to worry about her running away. It didn't work for keeping her "fenced in," as she would respond to the shock by just running even faster until she left the area. I didn't think much of it at the time, both as a kid and as a Korean immigrant who grew up with dogs being little more than props to put in your yard to keep thieves out.
faceh
2hr ago
This is the take I pretty much endorse.
Thinking "AI is going nowhere and will be prove to be a waste" a la the Tulip or NFT craze is wrong.
Thinking "A lot of people/companies are going to get wiped out before the final winners are clear" seems inevitable. Lot of blood on the streets before we're done.
Especially with this:
here’s extreme cross-ownership / circular dealing in the market where Nvidia is pouring hundreds of billions of dollars into AI companies and data centers who buy its chips
blatantly occurring. NVidia seems to think they're so dominant as to be unassailable, we'll see if that works out.
But every single company is in it to win it, despite this point:
Big AI companies have no moats.
Hard to predict who is going to make it out.
hydroacetylene
2hr ago
It’s pretty normal for big dog owners around here. But I also live in a bubble where everyone spanks their kids, so acceptability of corporal punishment is just higher.
NewCharlesInCharge
2hr ago
I think John Brown would have found another cause for his righteous violence had slavery been abolished before he started killing people.
pigeonburger
2hr ago
I don't know personally what he did, but I know that I've never seen a dog yelp in response to anything except pain or the expectation of incoming pain if it has been conditioned into them, neither is a good look for Hasan.
Capital_Room
rather dementor-like
2hr ago
The Bible is special too. But Christians don't think we should ban the Bible in order to protect it. They think we should disseminate it as widely as possible precisely because it's sacred and it brings people into contact with the sacred.
Maybe Protestant Christians, perhaps, but I know plenty of Catholics, at least, who think the Bible should have been kept in Latin and read in whole only by priests.
EverythingIsFine
Well, is eventually fine
2hr ago
You can tell civil war is not the trajectory because of a few things. A non exhaustive list includes the simple fact that the George Floyd protests eventually stopped. That kind of street protest is not the new normal. Even slavery which was a far more potent issue than all of those today took decades and decades and decades to result in war.
There are Spanish versions of those ads. I suspect they're both.
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