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TIRM
1yr ago
We don't know that. Could have been that. Could have been some partisan loon.
No_one
1yr ago
They can't possibly be as amateurish as not be clear on just precisely how many riflemen are doing security. Having to waste time in a crisis figuring out who's who -that'd be totally nonsensical in a crisis.
From what I've seen in a twitter thread by a guy who says he was SS, the counter-snipers are always just the secret service, local LE does perimeter security and is responsible for, among other things, people staying off rooftops with a view of the stage etc.
jeroboam
1yr ago
@ControlsFreak was giving me homework assignments and then, when I completed those assignments, responding with bad-faith interpretations and snarkiness.
I felt myself getting snarky as well so I thought best to shut it down.
Most importantly, I wasn't learning anything from that user. I'd tolerate a lot if I was learning – as I nearly always do from your own excellent posts @2rafa.
campfireSmoresEaten
1yr ago
How do you know he wasn't aiming for center mass?
remzem
1yr ago
oops typo, fixed.
Hilariously 4chan also found out he starred in a commercial for a big globalist / left wing investment company https://youtube.com/watch?v=hjmLqoGRqNo
invest in tin foil
Literally just trying to understand your position is not "giving you homework assignments". Stop being dramatic and speak plainly.
EDIT: This is especially rich from someone who wanted to "give the homework assignment" of being a perfect-knowledge, perfect-calculation central planner of a national population. Just asking what you mean with the words you use is the tiniest mote in comparison.
Deuteronomy93
1yr ago
It could "make sense" if your goal was not necessarily just to shoot him, but to explode his head on national television so the Internet could be flooded with 4k celebratory videos.
Sure, we wouldn't think of that as a rational calculation compared to aiming for center of mass, but I'd go out on a limb and suggest that people shooting at Presidents are not gruff sober Operators concerned with eliminating the target and nothing else.
naraburns
nihil supernum
1yr ago
"fucking stop it, you're going to cause a literal civil war with your antics"
It is remarkable to read stuff from the early 1800s discussing how an American civil war over slavery was just inevitable--a matter of time.
It is depressing to feel like that's where we are today, that it may still be decades away but that a civil war between "reds" and "blues" has become inevitable. I would like to believe there is time to de-escalate, but I'm not sure there is a clear way--the bifurcation of American culture has gotten to the point where one side or the other simply must go away if the country is to survive at all. Time and demographics could accomplish that naturally and gradually, but if not, then a civil war is what will do it. But demands for political orthodoxy (on either side) seem to be getting louder, not quieter.
hydroacetylene
1yr ago
I admire your confidence that the DSA won't just be declared a protected class.
jeroboam
1yr ago
Marginal voters exist and they swing every election. Independents are a large and growing percentage of the population.
hydroacetylene
1yr ago
The glass fragment from a teleprompter is the stupidest cope I have ever seen.
I've already encountered 'It's a false flag so Trump gets elected in a commie plot to bring the revolution' in the wild.
hydroacetylene
1yr ago
Kamala is simply not articulate enough to play for the center.
hydroacetylene
1yr ago
To be completely fair, early twentieth century republicans would be recognizable as plausibly republicans today, just not exactly mainstream ones. Specifically, they'd be recognizable as possibly Rockefeller republicans.
There's a real continuity between Roosevelt and, say, Susan Collins today.
Mewis
1yr ago
Right, clearly this place is now for consensus building and pushing people to have the same opinion and agree. If you think it's wrong of me to think, say, that Trump is ugly, then fine, I'll fuck off, because you're not going to debate me into thinking otherwise. And quite frankly a mod should have better sense than to operate as an enforcer of public opinion.
My opinion on Trump is that opinions on Trump don't fucking matter. When I don't vote in the US, does it actually matter if I find him to be likable? My opinion is that this event doesn't matter, beyond the sad death of two people and perhaps the increase in security at Trump events in the future. Those are legitimate opinions to hold, you just don't like them because it goes against the consensus here.
gattsuru
1yr ago
Of the, actual real people, group I was with there was one "wouldn't have been so bad if he missed" flippant comment. Which Blue Couple did not appreciate and shamed him for, despite all the the vitriol Blue Wife has directed towards the former president over the years.
I think at least part of that depends on the social groups you're running within. I got this (cw: ffxiv spoilers) linked in my social groups, followed by someone I gave computer build advice not twelve hours before joking about 'the hero we didn't know we needed'.
It's not universal among the left, but neither is it just the Kathy Griffins and Keith Olbermanns, either.
netstack
Texas is freedom land
1yr ago
Big if true.
Not the level of fervency—the idea that terrorism gets wins. That doesn’t seem credible. How does Antifa win more votes? Who the hell is going to switch away from Trump after this?
Radicalizing the right means more Charlottesvilles. More PR disasters.
Awarenesss
1yr ago
Thanks! Completely missed that version.
Market was probably the wrong word to use here. I’d transcribe and offer for free via Internet Archive or similar, but I think that would still be infringement. Ah well!
hydroacetylene
1yr ago
.223 is just a cheaper generic version of 5.56. .223 is technically a lower pressure round than a 5.56 but they're interchangeable in any firearm chambered for them.
.22 is a small round not recommended for using to shoot at anything bigger than a squirrel. A sniper in particular should be using a deer cartridge like .308(the standard US military sniper round) or 30-06, both of which are substantially bigger and more powerful rounds than a .223 which is more powerful than .22.
JulianRota
1yr ago
FWIW, I regard the whole idea of assassination by medium-long range gunshot at a well-known public event to indicate a crazy rando. Someone seriously experienced or some sort of elite intelligence operative would work on acquiring and leveraging specialized intelligence for a much simpler and more certain kill, and good chance of the assassin surviving and escaping.
Especially for someone with a little less protection like a former president and candidate, it's likely that at least a dozen times a week he's just walking around in some random public place with a bunch of random people nearby who haven't been checked for weapons or inclination, with a few USSS bodyguards around. This is mostly reasonably safe since it's highly secret and hard to predict exactly when those encounters will be. If you were super-elite, you'd try to learn about some of these ahead of time, choose one where you're reasonably likely to be able to get away clean after you shoot, and take the shot. Get away clean, and it's a super-mysterious event. It'd be hard to prove afterwards whether it was a crazy rando that just got lucky or really was some kind of elite operative acting on masterfully-obtained evidence.
hydroacetylene
1yr ago
People who have 30-06 caliber rifles shoot 30-06. It's just that the two main choices in an AR platform rifle, unless you happen to be a gun nut, are .223 and .308.
CertainlyWorse
No one is coming. It's just you.
1yr ago
Basically. There's various youtubes and articles out there about the difference between military (1000 yards/meters+ center of mass) and police snipers (<200 yards/meters head shots) and what they aim for. Assassins are in the later category. Today's events is a case in point. Look how close the shooter got.
hydroacetylene
1yr ago
The actually-religious parts of the republican base are consistently the last people to line up behind Trump who will ultimately do so anyways.
Fico's assassination didn't happen during a national election campaign. You could argue that it happened close to European elections cycle, at least, but the European elections have their own logic due to low voting rates and aren't treated as a "real" election nearly to the same degree as national elections are.
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