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New epstein files stash released - search here: https://www.justice.gov/epstein
Trump is mentioned lots of times though some of the more lurid accusations (I was gangbanged by Trump and a bunch of other rich dudes) seem to be non credible. Epstein emailed himself about how he was annoyed that Bill Gates needed medicine from banging underage russian girls - probably fake blackmail. He also got banned from Xbox Live, shared coomer FNAF 4chan threads, talked with Chomsky about racial intelligence differences, getting advice on silencing a girl trying to expose his friends. For our global-intelligence-conspiracy friends, there are some connections to intelligence agencies.
Mods, remove this if it's a crappy post. It's hard to come up with a through line for this, other than "WOW he knew a lot of people".
Unless this breaks some obvious threshold where I need to notice I am likely going to ignore anything on Trump. I 100% believe he banged Stormy Daniels for money but none of his ex-wives fit the pedophilia bro type. I do not think there is a huge overlap in guys who bang Daniel’s (big breast) and into underage girls.
For the reason perhaps I should give other people with accusations the benefit of the doubt. Bill Gates though does have pedophile vibes. Even DiCaprio vibes like a guy who would probably go younger if he was allowed to. Trump just seems to have always gone for a different body type.
“He knows a lot of people” It’s weird how a quote from a movie will stick with, but in the movie never been kissed the one baseball player friend of hers who also went back to High School said something like, “If one person says your cool then everyone will go with it”. My view is if you have one famous person vouche for you and then you meet 5 more and handle it well then it’s easy to know 500 famous rich people. You are in the club. It’s much harder to find the first famous friend than number 100.
I have no reason to disbelieve that Trump had sex with the odd 16 or 17 year old. He was a famous libertine in an era when that was much more acceptable. There's no reason to believe he specifically looked for that, of course, and the majority of his mistresses were probably old enough to get plastic surgery on their own.
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I cant help but feel that this is purposely daft. I happen to be both into skinny, and fat women. I married a skinny woman, but if I we're a less faithful man, I feel that I would pursue trysts with fat woman exclusively, because that's what's not available at home.
On the Trump note, I agree, nothing here really passes my sniff test, but I also don't believe they would release anything that would actually incriminate him, if it existed in any of the "files"
Ok so you might be non-conventional. I feel like most guys I know always date the same girl. I had one person in my 20 something friend group I would always get in conflict with because we would always want the same girl. Other friends this never occurred because even if the girl was conventionally attractive and I knew that I would have zero interest in her.
I feel like most men do have very strong types. If you are going to pay for sex you are probably going to buy exactly what you want. I guess it’s possible Trump would have sex with someone like 16 year old Britney Spears but I think most people who have pedophile attraction prefer girls who have ballerina style bodies (no chest, fairly-like 90 lb girls).
It would be interesting to know why % of men have true attraction to a wide variety of body types. My gut says it’s very low.
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I have the opposite intuition. My feeling is that there are enough people in both the government and media committed to #RESISTing Trump that if they had anything truly concrete that they could use against him it would have come out by now.
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It's not about Trump actually having sex with 16 or 17 year olds, it's about spreading the message of guilt by association. He and Epstein were best buds. Epstein arranged underage sex slaves for his rich friends and contacts. Lurid claims of "I was raped by both of them when I was thirteen" just help that along. Nobody (except the dwindling number of people who do care about distinctions like "underage means under 18, not 12 years old" and "did this really happen?") cares if it's true or not, it's just convenient mud to throw.
He's a racist. He's a transphobe. He's a sexist. He's a rapist. He's a paedophile. He's a Nazi. He's a convicted felon (36 FELONIES!!!)
"Knew Epstein was a pedophile and still palled around with him" is pretty bad in and of itself, making him an accessory through inaction. Conversely, "somehow missed all the red flags about Epstein being a pedophile despite palling around with him" would be pretty damning for Trump's intelligence even if it's ethically exculpatory. So if you establish a sufficient degree of regular association between the two that it has to be one of the two, you have a pretty tight case for Trump either being complicit, or incredibly dumb. Your only way out is to argue that Epstein was so good at covering up his sins that an intelligent man could genuinely hang out with him repeatedly without ever suspecting a thing; and does anyone seriously believe that?
I hate to nitpick but "paedophile" is doing a lot of work blurring things here. If we're talking "under 18 but around 16 at the lowest", then properly it's ephebeophilia and technically it's attraction to young but sexually mature individuals. Paedophilia proper is pre-pubescent children.
But since "minor child" can refer to "this girl was 17" as well as "this girl was 12", then charges about minor children can be weaponised to mean "Trump etc. were raping twelve year olds" and not "Trump and Prince Andrew etc. were having sex with 17 year olds whom they thought were willing or at least paid-for escorts doing a job".
And it's the Trump was raping thirteen year olds version which is the one being used in online spaces, because Orange Man not alone Bad, he is Most Evil of All Evils and MAGA is most evil and we're fighting Nazi fascism and if only this time we scream loud enough, the normies will finally turn on him.
I don't know what age of girl Epstein himself was personally attracted to, he does seem to have liked them very young. But that does not mean that everyone who went to his parties and his island liked them that young. If you know Jeff from his parties where hot nubile young girls hang out and pay attention to the rich men, you don't necessarily know he likes to fuck fourteen year olds, you think he's like you and every other guy who likes hot nubile seventeen to eighteen to twenty year olds. Maybe some of his "special close friends" also share Jeff's interest in fourteen year olds, but that is not going to be common knowledge for the circles he moves in. Only those who need to know will know and will be invited to the island stays where the fourteen year olds are.
So Musk may well have been one of those deemed "don't need to know" and even "not important enough to cultivate, not in the circles I want" which seem to have been established finance and old money, as well as Big Names in science and the arts. Musk may simply not have been a big enough name or the right kind of big name for Epstein. Maybe it was simply personal dislike. Who knows?
That depends, do you think Noam Chomsky is intelligent or not? 😁
I think you've misunderstood me. I never argued that Trump was himself attracted to underage girls. What I view as pretty likely is that Trump knew that Epstein was in that business, and yet did nothing to report and expose him; not because he was himself interested, but because he didn't care/couldn't be bothered/preferred enjoying the other perks of being pals with Epstein to doing the right thing and getting on Epstein's bad side in the process.
I'm not sure why you went off on the tangent about Musk and what he knew, as I never brought him up. I agree that Musk probably didn't know, but then it's not clear that he ever even got as far as the island. I feel like it would be considerably more difficult to have actually attended one of the "wildest parties", and still not realize that there were sketchy things going on. Wouldn't there be an interaction somewhere along the way of Epstein making it clear what range of girls he had on offer, to let the guest have his pick? And judging by all the leaked material and reports, does Epstein sound like he would couch such an offer in such carefully-guarded terms that an uninformed, intelligent man genuinely couldn't pick up on the scandalous age of some of the options? Maybe I'm picturing this all wrong, but that's where I'm coming from.
And no, I don't especially expect that this will have real consequences for Trump. It's just that it should. If your buddy is an unrepentant rapist then you have to turn him in, it's not enough to politely say "not for me, Jeff, thanks" and keep sleeping with the adult prostitutes he fetches for you. "The President knew about a serial statutory rapist and did fuck-all about it" should be a scandal to rock the nation all on its own, never mind whether he personally partook, and it's very depressing that it isn't (though yes, certainly the muted response is downstream of the boy-crying-wolf dynamics from the Left lobbing spurious accusations at Trump every Tuesday such that when a genuinely outrageous one arises it barely registers).
I think he might very well be morally complicit, in the sense described above ("knew Epstein had unsavory hobbies but couldn't be bothered to do anything about it").
I don't really care to defend Trump but surely any fixer is going to propose what's on offer pretty opaquely if anything so specific as a request is ever even made. Stuff like conversations that come off as just idle curiosity:
Epstein: "What do you like in a woman?"
Trump: "I've always been a big fan of the Russians, great people, wonderful people, and so affectionate"
Epstein: "I knew you were a man of good taste, I have a party I'm throwing for some Russian Oligarchs in a few weeks and they're bringing many girls with, would you like to come?"
Trump: "You always throw the best parties Jeff, I'm always telling the staff you throw the best parties. Of course we'll come, I bet you can get a lot more people coming if they know I'll be there."
Epstein: "I think that's true, I'll make sure to invite some more girls who would love to meet a famous television star like you, are there any particular types of Russian girls you like the best so I know who to invite?"
And if Trump goes on to describe prepubertal Russian gymnasts then Epstein goes down that path, but if he starts talking about mature matriarch types Trump needn't ever have been informed of the other offerings.
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That's the entire point of the whole "Trump and Epstein" publicity, and thanks for putting it so succinctly. It doesn't matter if Trump was himself fucking underage girls, what matters is his morality. He knew and did nothing, hence he is a bad person.
The question of course is, did he know? Did he know about the fifteen year old masseuses? Did he know they were doing more than giving regular massages?
Side A says of course he knew, because Orange Man Bad. Side B says there's room to doubt he knew.
This is what, in the end, it comes down to: not a question of paedophilia or the rest of it, but political mud-slinging. And it all depends on how we gauge the honesty of those involved: is Lawrence Kraus telling the truth or lying here? Should he have known about the fifteen year olds?
As to why I included Musk, because he's been in the comments as well as to "did he know or not?" Ditto with Chomsky, where the more interesting question is "Okay, attempting to hob-nob with the likes of Chomsky was all part of the rehabilitation effort after the Florida court case, but what was Chomsky getting out of it?"
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No, that is not how being an accessory works in the slightest.
I meant in the moral sense (and, as FttG said, the reputational sense), not in the strict legal sense. I thought describing the alternative scenario as "ethically exculpatory" made this clear and I didn't need to specify both times.
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Not in the legal sense, but absolutely in the reputational sense.
Only if you accept the basic guilt-by-contagion premise of the left side of the Culture War.
I disagree. Knowing that an acquaintance of yours is a pederast (or "merely" an ephebophile) and refusing to report him or cut ties with him reflects badly on you, even if it's not legally actionable, and this social convention long predates wokeness.
What crimes does this extend to? There are crimes of a whole range of severity. At what point does it become severe enough that you are obliged to cut ties or report? And what if you have less than 100% confidence that he committed the bad deed?
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Are you really saying that there is no such thing as a moral duty to report or otherwise act upon knowledge of evil deeds committed by others? If you're a passive witness to a murder or rape, and could identify the culprit, it's not at all immoral of you to move on with your life and keep the secret? Really?
When Epstein first got arrested, the investigator reached out broadly to Epstein's social caste for information. Purportedly, the only person to take the call and speak with him was Trump.
My google-fu is failing to find a cite for that; the current doc dump is obviously clogging the search results. But pretend for a second that it's true. In that hypothetical, would you say that such an action would make Trump uniquely righteous?
There's also the line from Trump saying Epstein likes women "on the younger side". It's hard to be sure without hearing the tone, but that seems like a polite, faux-friendly knifing, similar to the comments people like Seth McFarland made about Weinstein before his behavior came fully to light.
Do you think McFarland is more or less "guilty by association" than other celebrities who knew about Weinstein but kept silent?
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None of what you said is about "Knew Epstein was a pedophile and still palled around with him".
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I think that Stormy Daniels (and his wives) do put to rest any claim that Trump is an exclusive pedophile.
However, knowing one of his sexual tastes does not rule out the possibility of him having additional sexual tastes. If you know that someone restaurant critic is famous for his love of Italian seafood, do you conclude that he will never eat an Argentinian steak, but have seafood for three meals a day?
From an evo-psych PoV, the obviously advantageous path for a man is to fuck any fertile-looking woman his society lets him fuck. Being exclusively into teens or MILFs would really limit reproductive success, especially in monogamous societies where your marriage partner will likely start as a teen and age into a more mature woman later on.
We know that Trump was big time into running Miss contests (and allegedly walking into their dressing room). To my knowledge, he did not run any Mister contests, so it seems plausible to conclude that sexual attraction was one of the things which got him into that. Now, I am very much not into these contests, but it appears to me (starting from the label, a 'Miss' is a woman on the marriage market) that they are rather about young, nubile women than mothers with big breasts. A 16yo selected to appeal to Trump would be much closer to a Miss winner than Stormy Daniels is.
If the allegations were that he had sucked off underage boys, then I would be with you in finding that implausible, bisexuality seems to be relatively rare and there is no indication that Trump likes dicks.
And of course, there is Trump's creepy birthday message to Epstein. It could be about the both of them enjoying hunting federally protected birds on his island, but somehow I doubt it is.
I would at least expect it did cover "decides he'll try steak for a change is not the same as decides he'll try raw roadkill".
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Has this been your experience with any other public cheater, that they espouse "variety is the spice of life?" Best I can tell, most everyone has a "type," and they stick to it. The most famous that comes to mind is Tiger Woods, who slept with a large number of women who all vaguely looked like his wife (I was a big fan of the article from a journalist who was not so much upset by the fact that Tiger Woods was a philanderer, but that he did not "sample all the varieties of the world")
Yeah, that's my general impression as well. I think that given the choice between (1) a 25-year old beauty queen; and (2) a cute 15 year old, Epstein would have taken the second choice and Trump the first.
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We're talking about the guy who's famous for still eating McDonalds all the time even though he's a billionaire TV star WWE HoFer president, right? He does not strike me as a guy starving for novelty or transgression.
Most Miss America winners during Trump's life have been 20+, which seems like a reasonable gauge. If that's what we're using as a proxy score, Trump likes 'em near or past college graduation. And frankly, the difference between 16 and 21 is much bigger than 21 to 26, and that would have been more extreme in decades past.
Trump's pageant was Miss USA, where the winners skew slightly younger, but also haven't been under 20 for a long time. But the reason why Donald Trump, pageant baron, stinks of kiddie-fiddling is that he also owned Miss Teen USA, and bragged about being able to hang out in the girls' changing room because he owned the pageant. A quick look at Miss Teen USA winners shows that there is no paedophilia here - the girls look like the physiologically mature women they are. But it isn't and shouldn't be socially acceptable.
Outside Red America, both feminists and social conservatives think that teen pageants shouldn't be socially acceptable at all, but that boat sailed a long time ago.
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Not helped by the fact that age of consent laws vary from country to country, and that there are exceptions where what would be "statutory rape" gets relieved by 'Romeo and Juliet' laws so you don't label a 17 year old who had sex with his 16 year old girlfriend as a sex offender. Also that despite legal ages of consent, the de facto acknowledgement seems to be "teenagers are going to have sex before that age, so teach them about contraception, abortion, and sexual health".
In some US states, it would be legal (if unseemly) for Trump to have sex with a 16 year old.
Sure, as long as he is not paying for the sex, and has no reason to believe that anyone else is paying her to have sex, either. Epstein's Island is Florida IIRC, and there AoC seems to be 18, so the excuse "I thought Jeff had just invited some teens who just liked to fuck older guys" will not fly.
AoC is the age at which you can have sex with anyone without your consent being considered violated. If multiple people of a common age have consensual sex, most legislatures recognize that this is not a problem which needs fixing, no matter if they are 11, 15, 17 or 99. Locking up two 11yo's for statuary rape of each other hardly seems very worthwhile.
If two eleven year olds are having sex it very damn much is a problem. Not a locking them up problem, but "oh shit the dumb kids are gonna contract so many STIs and run the risk of getting pregnant because physically they can get knocked up".
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It looks like there's serious dirt on Bill Gates and Elon Musk at least. The funniest possible timeline is if Trump of all people has no credible evidence against him, but like every other elite from the USA on both sides of the political aisle does. So far I've only seen the non-credible witness stuff with regards to Trump, but I understand there are literally millions of files so who knows what will turn up in the coming days.
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I'm a hardcore leftist and of course extremely anti-right and anti-Trump, but, yeah, I'm not seeing any new revelations about Trump, here, and so far there don't seem to be substantiated allegations Trump ever did anything sexual with anyone underage. I could think of hundreds of reasons to hate Trump and to consider him a terrible person and a terrible president, but the Epstein stuff is effectively just noise when it comes to him. If there's a bombshell regarding him and Epstein, everyone will know about it immediately.
I think you're probably just suffering from bias due to ideological disagreements with him. While Gates was/is clearly a creep, none of the emails suggest he did anything with any underage people, nor are there any other allegations or pieces of evidence pointing to that. He probably regularly cheated on his wife, and as the emails show he even contracted an STD from a prostitute, but I see no evidence or suggestion (or "vibes") he was a pedophile or did anything like that.
Of all the things I did not expect to know, or didn't want to know, "Bill Gates the Nerd King was a playa" is very high on the list.
You clearly haven’t seen his sexy photoshoot from 1983.
(The photos weren’t published in Teen Beat as the article claims, but they are genuine.)
Oh, Lord.
Bill? Put your glasses back on, get off the desk, and what are you doing with those floppies?
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There's an old story from Mark Cuban about Gates getting a girl he was trying to seduce. I don't remember it well enough to recall a date but Gates married 5 years before Cuban sold Broadcast.com.
Story can be found in this NYPost article here.
<james_franco_first_time.jpg> Most reliable bar-going young women.
Common polygyny W. You can think you're a big shot with $3 million (in 2025 dollars) as a 26-27 year-old, but then get mogged by a bigger fish.
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https://youtube.com/shorts/x8tLF_qocoE
Cuban says he was around 26, so it was 1984 or 1985, and was thinking he was the king with being 1 million dollars rich. Gates had a net worth $350 million when he was thirty.
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