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Elon Musk previously claimed Epstein tried to get him to go to the island but Elon refused.
However, Elon appears in the Epstein files asking to go to the island Some back and forth emails to pick a date for the visit, so it looks like he did go there and again rather than refusing to go, he requested to go there himself. Multiple times actually.
Here's Elon in 2012 (reminder, that's after Epstein had been convicted for procuring an underage prostitute) asking when the wildest party would be.
Here's Elon again a year later with some back and forth planning a date for another visit.
He really own goaled himself by pushing the Epstein files. Why did he tweet 'Trump is the Epstein files!' if he's living in a glass house. Even smart guys have their derpy moments I guess.
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"how many people will you be for the heli to island"
"Probably just Talulah and me. What day/night will be the wildest party on =our island? "
smh my head, Elon looking to bring sand to the beach.
Who would have thought Elon the type of nigga to bring his wife on a guy's trip.
I love the "jeevacation@gmail.com" email address and the blank subject line for coordinating their... plans.
Though that would incline towards "Elon was not there for the underage negotiable affection". If he's off on a guy's trip to Lolita Island for the wild parties with the pretty girls, he's not going to bring his missus, as you say. Thus whatever was going on, he may have thought it more like some kind of swingers' thing (was Mrs. Musk agreeable to that? Guess we'll never know) at the most.
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Elon doubled down today:
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2017606707372016039?s=46
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2017490775324655826?s=46
Are there definite mails showing a past visit or only planning ones (which presumably didn’t pan out)?.
So far I have only seen planning ones. However the planning ones show Musk asking whether he can visit and one of them has Elon asking when the "wildest party" will be, when discussing a date for his visit. So unless I'm missing something here or these documents are fabricated, the idea that it was Epstein taking initiative and Elon always refused seems demonstrably a lie, because we have emails with Elon asking whether he can visit.
At least one site claims the "Girls FTW!" email is fake and does not appear in the release.
Correct, but the one the message you're responding to referenced is real.
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One interesting aspect would be how much we can trust the emails on Epstein's account who appear to have been sent from other people.
I think it depends on the technical specifics. If they scraped the data from his computers, then (unless the senders are the technical geeks who gpg-sign their mails) there is no proof that the sender ever wrote that. Epstein was obviously not the person who would be beyond falsifying mails for the purpose of insurance.
If they scraped them from Google (I think they did that), then the odds of him having messed with the mails sink. It might be that anything in the inbox, header and all, is still trivially writable via IMAP though. Ideally, one would want the mail server logs, but I am not sure if Google even keeps hashes of the mails they received. This still leaves the defense "that mail was sent from my mail server, but it was hacked", but with Epstein that seems a bit far-fetched, Epstein was clearly not some uberhacker.
Of course, if Epstein had messed with his inbox, one would expect that we would find things a lot more juicy in there.
This issue came up with the Hillary Clinton and Hunter Biden email leaks. While basically no one signs their emails, modern anti-spam technology means nearly all modern emails are signed by the sending server using DKIM. Theoretically, a privacy-conscious email host would regularly rotate their DKIM keys and publicly post their stale ones (i.e. make sure it's trivial to forge old emails), but in practice GMail does not do this and a quick web search finds no one recommending this.
In short, given the full headers, it's possible to cryptographically verify emails really were sent by the user they appear to have been sent by. (Obviously, someone could have gained access to the account who is not the owner of the account or there might be other reasons why the server's signature might not correspond to the human who wrote the email, but those are a lot less likely than the ease of forging an unsigned email.)
Uh, you mean publicly post their stale public keys so it’s trivial to verify old emails?
No, I meant what I said. There's no difficulty finding the stale public keys. The stale private keys should be published. DKIM can't provide strongly deniable authentication, but publishing the old private keys would give a weak version of it.
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Google is widely assumed to be infiltrated by NSA agents, who are probably mostly liberal politically, so honestly, who knows. I imagine their internal monitoring systems might be good, but who knows?
Why would they need to be infiltrated by NSA agents? They'd hand over emails given a warrant.
Because
Okay, but we're talking about noted felon Epstein here. There'd be no difficulty getting a warrant on all his shit.
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Formatting fix:
Q: Why would they need to be infiltrated by NSA agents?
A: They'd hand over emails given a warrant.
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That’s consistent with Elon never going. Doesn’t seem like they set a date etc
Also consistent with Elon Tryharding. See Path of Exile ghost account etc.
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