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We have a conclusion to the "Braveheart" saga, precipitated by a viral video of a Scottish girl defending herself by waving a knife and axe at a man filming her. This incident was discussed in multiple comment threads, with @ArjinFerman summarizing the discourse here.
Per the BBC reporting on the court case:
His sister has also been convicted, in what appears to be a complete legal victory for the Scottish girls.
Needless to say, not one mention anywhere of the brother and sister being Bulgarian Gypsies.
The problem for Bulgarians (which is a lesser problem for Romanians, although still an issue for them) is that despite all the /r/Europe posting of blonde girls in traditional outfits, many of the natives are relatively dark haired and swarthy for ethnic Europeans, and so to the untrained (and not proficient ethnoguessr regular) North-Western European commoner eye, blur into a continuum with the Roma population (who themselves are after all only part Indian, many are much lighter skinned than the average actual Indian).
I have Spanish and Southern Italian friends who have faced actual ethnic abuse by random native drunks in eg Sweden and Denmark who assumed they were Arabs (and again, this has happened to two people I’ve encountered and discussed it with, so it cannot be all that rare). An (Ashkenazi) American Jewish guy I know (who is far more the Trotsky or Woody Allen phenotype than the Levantine Warrior one) was accosted by some people in a small town in East Germany where he was visiting for a wedding by people who assumed he was a migrant of some sort. People are not that good at differentiating races.
This isn't a case where they'd need to make a split-second assessment based on the color of their skin. We're 9 months into the story, and it's publically available information.
Sure but it’s a reality of emigrant demographics that means that British people see a lot of Roma as Romanian or Bulgarian (who are themselves usually conflated) rather than a separate ethnic group. This makes a lot of Romanians and Bulgarians upset. Gypsies also is more used locally to refer to either Irish Travellers or longstanding local Romani gypsies whose ancestors arrived a century or more ago.
Ok, but how? We get some Romanian Roma here in Finland and they’re very distinct looking from regular Romanians / people from Balkans.
This might be an example of the classic Little England attitude; they're all from foreign parts.
As somebody who considers myself a proficient amateur phrenologist and observer of weird ethnic divides. Giving the average man on the street in an area countries over from your particular diaspora shit for not instantly identifying and being invested is silly
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