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coffee_enjoyer
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24m ago
My own thoughts on this question are far from the mainstream, exactly because of the things you mention, which I don’t believe were the original intention. Mainstream theology makes Jesus out as inhuman, and no amount of saying “he is 100% human as well as 100% God” can change that visceral feeling. So in my view, his theory of mind was just that of the most realistically perfect righteous person, and in some mysterious way he learned over time that he was the destined messiah. Per Luke 2:52, as a child “Jesus increased in wisdom and in favor with God”, which precludes the possibility that he always knew his destiny. There is a manuscript variant of the baptism in Luke where God’s voice says, “you are my son, today I have begotten you”, and as this is the oldest variant quoted by the Church Fathers, it could indicate that the full understanding of his divine role occurred at the moment of baptism (occurring sometime in adulthood).
How did his purely human theory of mind sense with certainty that he was the Messiah? I think a combination of things: the testimony of John, whom everyone believed was sent by God; the voice of God heard aloud at the baptism; his ability to heal various impossible physical conditions, and to restore life to Lazarus (this would kind of be a dead giveaway); his biographical details fitting the Messish. Lastly I believe there were events of anamnesis which occurred during his periods of solitary prayer. This would have occurred like your typical fantasy “recollecting past memories after amnesia” plotline, which sounds so contrived, but it’s actually the best way to make sense of Christ’s certainty and doubt coexisting, and his mortality coexisting with “God dwelling in Him” (as an understanding and a love in his bosom only). Because a real human often changes from a sense of perfect certainty to a sense of doubt, and this would occur even in the most realistically perfect person. This isn’t because we have “two natures” or any other spurious theological mindfuck that theologians love to apply.
All of this is to say that his theory of mind was exactly like ours, if we were perfect and given intimations of a cosmic destiny. This means he is infinitely relatable, infinitely human, infinitely engaging. Rather than being more God than us, he is more human than us, and that’s actually more important for the religion to have an effect. He was human because
”he emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.”
And as a consequence of this full humanity,
”God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name”
That Jesus was fully divine while on earth and had a perfectly divine prediction of what will happen is disproven by a careful study of Hebrews 5:7
In the days of his flesh, Jesus offered up prayers and supplications, with loud cries and tears, to him who was able to save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverence.
Reverence = fear; and the word supplications here is ἱκετηρία, which is only used in contexts where a person pleas with utter submission (eg a surrendering enemy). Jesus would not have loudly cried and pleaded for salvation from death while on earth if he was certain he would be saved; and the passage indicates that he saved because of this plea.
I think the numbers have always been gamed. CPI and inflation in particular. It's hilarious that the US talks so much shit about the lack of transparency in China when it's a half step better here at best.
There are independent analysts who do a decent job of telling a more realistic story. Someone has value for reality - consider the Harris campaign's internal polling algorithms who knew she'd lost weeks in advance. Mainstream polls have been just worthless propaganda for more than a decade but the real thing is somewhere.
It's frustrating though. Knowing we have the technical ability to tell the truth, but choose not to. Having to expend the extra effort to find where it's hidden or synthesize it against the dishonesty in the official system.
birb_cromble
45m ago
No responsible adult would violate a custody order.
Irresponsible adults also have children.
The courts are not always known for speed.
Walterodim
Only equals speak the truth, that’s my thought on’t
45m ago
Yes, I think your intuition is basically correct. Neuromuscular coordination and power across a variety of tasks is likely improved by doing a variety of tasks compared to specifically training at the tasks that are moving fixed, specific shapes with predefined appropriate motions. We can see something similar to this in endurance sports, where athletes become specialized at the specific thing they do to a much greater extent than sports that are seemingly similar at a glance - you're not going to see the differences between cross-country skiers, cyclists, and marathoners just from looking at their literal muscle mass and aerobic capacity, but they're differentially efficient at their sports of choice and require less energy to accomplish the same tasks. Compare all of these linear activities to the versatile endurance of a soccer player and they'll all seem mechanistic and rigid by comparison, because that's exactly what they've trained themselves to be. Similarly, the manual laborer that needs to carry shingles up to a roof and nail them down develops a more versatile set of muscle movements than the powerlifter.
birb_cromble
47m ago
A while back, when I lived closer to the coast, I typed my address into the national sex offender registry to see how prevalent sex offenders were in my area. I was shocked by how long the list was.
children who have simply been moved by a responsible adult but in violation of a custody order
I assumed the high number had to be related to something like this, so I started looking up news articles and court cases. It's something I regret doing to this day.
The depths of human depravity are far deeper than most people could imagine. Even someone like myself, who was the victim of childhood abuse, failed to realize how profoundly fucked up things can get.
birb_cromble
51m ago
Well, they kind of are- they foul up any actual investigation
I'm not in the loop on this one. Has there been any actual investigation since the game got popular with the youth? If so, have we seen any punishments handed out, or changes to the developer's behaviors and practices?
yofuckreddit
55m ago
I felt this a couple months ago. Ozempic, self-driving cars, LLMs, humanoid robots, and Mars-capable spaceships all in the past 3 years. We're in a new era, no getting around it.
Oopz
57m ago
Yes, and I absolutely love it. It seems all the sci fi I consumed when I was young is coming to life.
I like fitness and learning which means I'm going to go down the biohacking route more so than the fall in love with non-human minds route. (I'm not judging, I think it's good people find comfort and companionship no matter how it's delivered.)
If this is not a worldwide technological false start and we are turning into a type II civilisation, I'll probably have at least 3 non organic body parts within the next 40 years.
yofuckreddit
57m ago
Simplistic, but my atheistic interpretation was always just this as well.
Iconochasm
2. Bootstrap the rest of the fucking omnipotence.
59m ago
What do you think of "gym muscles"? Referring here to the idea that musculature bought in the gym is less effective than muscles bought by manual labor.
I think there's some validity to it, but it's not in the muscles themselves.
Imagine you could run scans through my body to figure out exactly how muscled I am, down to the gram and square millimeter. A boxer with the "exact same" stats is still going to hit way harder because they have a massive advantage in more ephemeral elements, like muscle memory and training their body to work together in a certain way.
Just so with manual labor. I did it for years, and I can do the thing where I can heft up some enormous, heavy object and casually walk it a hundred yards. But the thing that lets me do that isn't exactly being strong. It's having an intuitive, pre-conceptual understanding of torque and leverage and balance and how they interact with my body.
I had an incident last week where a young, scrawny employee expressed some degree of being impressed at me raw carrying some large object. And I paused, holding it up with one arm, and explained that my arms really weren't doing much work. I was just holding it steady so that the center of mass was balanced over my shoulder and aligned with my core.
I think that's where the discrepancy comes from. It's not that one "type" of muscle is different from the other, but that you develop different suites of subconscious support skills from different activities.
Iconochasm
2. Bootstrap the rest of the fucking omnipotence.
1hr ago
In Lieu Of Dystopian Sci-Fi Movie, American Just Watching News From England. I've been unironically doing this for a few weeks now.
Canada is even worse. It's time to start building a wall to the north, and thinking about how we're going to handle it when that expanse of desolate wasteland fully devolves into a third world shithole.
Amadan
Enjoying my short-lived victory
1hr ago
IMO, the appeal of paranormal romance is two things: (1) A man who is a werewolf or a vampire or something is just that much more Alpha (and allows the whole "taming the beast" theme to become much more explicit- I mean, if your love can tame a literal werewolf how desirable must you be?). (2) A lot of women (especially on the nerdy spectrum) don't want to admit they are the kind of Basic Bitch who likes romance novels, but if you dress it up with fantasy elements, then they are "fantasy" fans.
Jiro
1hr ago
At the top end, Canadian law requires that judges take immigration consequences into account in sentencing “provided that the sentence that is ultimately imposed is proportionate to the gravity of the offence and the degree of responsibility of the offender.” At no point did we explicitly legislate this: rather, in 2013, it was decided by the Supreme Court, in a judgment authored by now-Chief Justice Richard Wagner.
Singh was found guilty of sexual assault at trial. But he wasn’t convicted. Instead, in January, he was given a discharge by Justice A. J. Brown. The judge explained that a conviction would automatically result in deportation without a right to appeal
A lenient sentence is not the same thing as no conviction.
Amadan
Enjoying my short-lived victory
1hr ago
I've only read or watched a couple of those. And I see what you mean about them appealing to a "male romance fan" but- well, does it not strike you that there is a large overlap between the male protagonists of those stories and the generic, uninteresting, personality-less girl being mocked in that /r/romance_for_men cartoon?
I gave Shikimori's Not Just a Cutie a try for a couple of volumes, to practice my Japanese reading comprehension. (The Japanese is very simple, though it's full of idioms.) Anyway, I bailed because the male protagonist, Yuu, is so annoyingly... well, non-masculine. Unassertive, cringing, insecure, less smart, less confident, and less cool than his girlfriend... I kept wondering "What does she see in him?" But you have made me realize I was seeing it from the wrong angle, as a story appealing to women (who I guess in Japan find an unthreatening submissive softboi a turn-on?) But no, it's appealing to men- or more specifically, to boys who feel insecure and unmasculine and unable to compete in traditionally masculine ways, but want to imagine the cute, smart but devoted and affectionate girl will still fall in love with them.
Have you read Haruki Murakami?
His books are usually billed as "fantasy" or "magical realism" in the West, but they all have this theme: a rather dull guy with the personality and initiative of a bowl of oatmeal is kind of dragged into a quest he doesn't really understand, pulled along by a hot chick who's often on the Manic Pixie Dream Girl spectrum and is probably underage or barely-legal, and at some point she will strip off all her clothes and do him for no apparent reason other than that he has a penis. Then a couple of other women including the librarian and the MILF and the MILF-librarian will do the same.
(I am only slightly exaggerating- Murakami bingo is really a thing.)
And now I have realized that you could kind of consider his books "romances for men." An ordinary guy goes on a quest without having to actually do much, and gets laid like pipe without having to put in any real effort or value.
Unironically I recommend him because his stories are surreal and weird and often funny, and really convey a different kind of mindset, with lots of sensory impressions Western writers don't usually dwell on, but the male protagonists always annoy me. And this is perhaps why "romance for men" doesn't appeal to me much. I am hardly a "manly man" who wants to go out and conquer kingdoms, but I guess I am a traditional enough man that I want to see men working, striving, struggling, and earning their rewards. A guy who offers no apparent distinction but has women falling on his dick anyway is not a fantasy for me, it's a mystery.
That said:
I don't see why you couldn't write romance books aimed at men that were similar.
Indeed, it does make me wonder if there is an untapped market there in the West. Maybe someone will eventually tap it. I suspect, however, that cultural differences would make it a hard sell. Boys would have to overcome the stigma of reading "romance" and, let's be honest, a story like I have described, where an ordinary boy wins the love and affection of a hot girl out of his league, would be scorned and mocked across social media and booktock, and become loser-coded.
2rafa
1hr ago
What’s the general consensus among your kind of Christian on Jesus’ theory of mind on this? Since he knew he was divine, the Son, part of the trinity, was he not simply fulfilling his destiny, living out an inevitability of which he was fully and consciously aware the entire time, an actor in a play whose audience were mankind - for the benefit of their own salvation?
Throwaway05
1hr ago
It's been a longtime since I've seen Candle Jack, maybe he did i
coffee_enjoyer
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1hr ago
A theological inquiry: what do you believe were all of Christ’s personal motivations to be crucified, and what was the overriding motivation? We have, of course, brotherly love (John 15:13). But there’s also the motivation to live so as to exemplify the glory of God (17:4); to receive glory for himself from God (17:5) (5:44); consequently, there is the interest to always do God’s will (5:30) and work (4:34). There is also the intriguing verse that His motivation was for his own heavenly joy (Heb 12:2), as “for the joy that was set before him he endured the cross”, which I think is the only verse which directly links personal motivation to the cross. This joy is not necessarily mutually exclusive to God’s glory, because glory itself is a supreme joy.
Regarding the overriding motivation, I am partial to Heb 12:2, that Christ was motivated by the glorious “joy set before him”, because the whole passage reads almost like a doxological summation of the faith (“let us look to the founder and perfecter of our faith”). It ties in neatly with a different underrated verse: “Those who, through patience in well-doing, seek for glory and honor and immortality, God will give eternal life” (Romans 2:7), while the “self-seeking” face wrath (2:8). This is somewhat tricky because we no longer talk about glory as an emotion today. But if you understand that glory is a feeling that always emanates from a person’s assessment, then seeking God’s glory is not self-seeking, because all of the “social valuation” exists within another person. Seeking one’s own glory would mean something like “wanting to believe oneself to be glorious”, which is different and to be condemned. “Seeking that God give us glory” is equivalent to just “wanting to do our best so that God gives a ‘well done’”.
quiet_NaN
2hr ago
Similar to actual predators, they often impersonated minors, actively approached other users, then tried to lead them to other platforms to have sexually explicit conversations (which is against our Terms of Use).
I don't know how else to read this besides "'vigilantes' are similar to predators". It sounds like a defense attorney arguing that the cop who impersonated a drug buyer is just as bad as an actual drug buyer, on the sole basis of their actions being superficially similar.
There are a lot of things we let cops do which we do not let random citizens do. If you try to by drugs from a cop and get arrested, "but I was running a vigilante sting operation" is not going to fly.
From my understanding, all relevant parties on Roblox appear as minors. The actual minors appear as minors. The child buggerers pretend to be minors because that is much more likely to be successful -- a 14yo might send nudes to what they perceive as a 15yo, but not to some 30yo creepy dude. The vigilantes pretend to be kids because otherwise the predators would not be interested in them.
Crucially, none of the parties knows the identity of the other party. If two bi-curious 14yo girls trade nudes, then that could be two girls (or 15yo boys!), or any of the five other combinations.
Both the predator and the vigilante have an interest to lure their conversation party off-site and then get them to do something incriminating.
An ethical vigilante would just sit there and wait to be hit on, then play the reluctant-but-willing-to-be-persuaded minor. Even then, that would be rather icky, because there is always a chance that the person on the other end is a minor. Flirting with someone who poses as a minor and might be a minor is bad. And if they go off-platform and the first thing the suspected predator does is sending them a nude selfie which confirms he is indeed a 15yo kid, they might be on the hook for CSAM.
And simply joining with a username like fluttershy_2011 and talking about MLP all day waiting for some creep (or boy) to hit on you might not work very well for vigilantes. So they might take a more active role instead, which would be even more problematic.
RandomRanger
Just build nuclear plants!
2hr ago
Anyone else feeling particularly cyberpunk?
Even normies online are talking about 'clankers' (humanoid robots out in the wild, not ASIMO scripted performances). I'm giving vague orders to Claude Code and watching it go. People are actually having relationships with digital waifus like Ani (not in the news media sense like 'Japanese man marries hologram girl but company is discontinuing the service' but in a more organic sense). The most valuable company in the world is a near-equivalent of 'US Robotics' from the Asimov novels.
Feels like there's been a step change in just the last few weeks.
AfterEpictetus
2hr ago
I think you may have misunderstood my argument.
if you violate a custody order you are more likely to be judged unfit
I agree with this. P(judged unfit | violate order) is significantly higher. Hence my comment about requiring a trial.
But we're talking about a theoretically individual case. Statistics don't matter to the individual.
Let's take someone who was given no custody and has a child in an unsafe situation. A few days out of that situation might be better than none. I'm not sure that parent is automatically irresponsible.
birb_cromble
2hr ago
I haven't stepped into a Barnes & Noble in years
It's funny that you mentioned that. Last night, I was waiting to meet up with some folks and I arrived early enough that I needed to kill some time, which I did by walking into a Barnes and Noble. The sci fi and fantasy section had a clear view of the entrance, and after a while I noticed something odd.
The place had a ton of customers, but nobody was buying books. Almost everyone who left was carrying a coffee from the integrated Starbucks. Those who weren't walked out with board games or things that would have been purchased from a toystore in days of yore.
I eventually bought Adrian Tchaikovsky's new book when I left because it felt wrong to be at a book store where no one was buying books.
marinuso
2hr ago
I think the overt politicization of the American judiciary makes it better in this case. Each individual judge may be biased, but since both sides get to appoint judges, and fight over it, the justice system as a whole ends up fairly representative.
In most of Europe on the other hand the justice system is treated as an apolitical, bureaucratic organization. The judges should be professionals, and leave their biases at home. The public shouldn't care about the judges, in the same way that we shouldn't have to care about minor functionaries in other random government departments, who are just hired on the basis of their skill set and are there to do a job.
So in the Netherlands: the Minister of Justice appoints the head of the Council for the Judiciary. This council in turn appoint the heads of the courts. The courts then hire judges. In practice even the ministerial selection is done based on a shortlist, and the courts too make shortlists. The minister could maybe ram through a political appointee if he really wanted (and get everyone to yell InDePeNdEnT JuDiCiArY), but that political appointee would have no institutional support and get nothing done.
This all sounds very nice in theory, but in practice everyone (except, depending on how the election went, the minister) is a fairly serious progressive by now, and they will always make progressive rulings, and hire more progressives. And there's no way to change that except by going full Orban.
prosecutors refuse to charge or hold criminals or the law is changed on things like felony shoplifting
I don't actually have much of a problem with this in the American context. The laws are made democratically, and almost everywhere in the US, the district attorney is also an elected position.
If a DA gets elected on the promise not to charge criminals, then indeed doesn't charge criminals, then gets reelected, then clearly the people actually want this. At that point I can't really disagree with it. I disagree with the stance, but not with implementing the results of the vote. If the median voter of e.g. Portland really is this progressive, then yes, so should the government of Portland be.
The problem comes when these people are appointed by "the system" and cannot be removed.
RandomRanger
Just build nuclear plants!
2hr ago
I often edit my posts after writing them (a short while after, before anyone can read them). Sometimes I cancel the edit, or alter something else and leave a thought unfinished. On balance it wasn't a good line of argument and should've been deleted.
Sometimes it's the legislative branch assuming that a court should interpret this reasonably and then the court going all the way, other times it's just bad politics that makes bad law and then that ties the judges hands so they have to make bad decisions.
Some irony in me criticising others and failing to finish the very sentence where I bemoan, though my opinions on this thrice derived rationality forum don't matter at all.
hanikrummihundursvin
2hr ago
I don't see the connection between 'being a person' and therefor automatically being inclined to give foreign rapists light sentences.
To me it doesn't seem reasonable or humane, just cowardly and sick. Being so wrapped up in and simultaneously so blind to ones own twisted moral intuition that it becomes practically impossible to differentiate between the person raping a 15 year old and the person calling them a pig is not 'normal'.
I think it would be a lot more pertinent for people like this to examine their state of mind and how it has managed to drive them towards results such as this. But it seems like we've managed to build an impervious wall that keeps people away from exploring the true extent of the problem and just what feeds these 'outgroup sycophants' to do what they do.
I believe that your assessment is correct.
To put it in slightly different terms when you workout you are training procedural memory in addition to physical strength. Procedural memory is knowing how to do learned tasks (like riding a bicycle) without conscious awareness. If you do isolation exercises the procedural memory being trained is mostly going to be tied to that specific exercise (e.g. you will learn the form for bicep curls without having to think about each time, but that memory won’t generalize to working with heavy objects).
When you do manual labor (and to some extent compound exercises) you are also training procedural memory on balancing different parts of the body that is more generalizable to many other situations.
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