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self_made_human
amaratvaṃ prāpnuhi, athavā yatamāno mṛtyum āpnuhi
16m ago
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Cirrus
16m ago
MAGA as a principled opponent to affirmative action and setting the precedent for the left to do the same when they come back into power.
What are you talking about?? Do you honestly expect “the left” to not hit the defect button the instant MAGA-style conservatives are out of power? “Wow, looks like Trump restrained his base from using affirmative action and remaking educational institutions to benefit their side! What a noble precedent—now we will also abandon DEI and uphold Trump’s lofty ideals of meritocratic achievement.”
I am doubtful if the right has the academic manpower to restore political balance to the academic system with merit-based hiring.
Somehow I doubt that too. Also, what does merit mean in academia? A cultural institution so totally dominated by neoliberal progressives that merit can only mean being published in one of their journals, or speaking at one of their conferences, or getting tenure at one of their blue blooded Ivy League schools.
Hey I have an idea: let’s make journalism merit based! We’ll measure merit by how many articles you’ve written for the Epoch Times, or your number of appearances on One America News network!
LazyLongposter
28m ago
The military (by its own standards) already has a swath of pedo stache looking dudes because it's the only facial hair the system allows. I'd much sooner be in favor of the Canadian "try your facial hair, and if it doesn't look like shit we'll allow it" system. Or none at all, I don't really care. If Hegseth held a principle like you describe, he'd ban all facial hair in the military tomorrow, and also not be covered in tattoo sleeves that make him sound a lot more hypocritical.
The fact is this is another example of the Trump regime using the good will of the voter base (i.e. "please god i'm so sick of neoliberal hell") to make a wildly low-benefit change that burns a ton of that good will.
This is one of the most universally unpopular moves in the military I've seen. Everyone I know regardless of political affiliation is reacting with confusion and annoyance and stress at this change, and all it does is make people think of politics daily, rather than having it be a secondary background thing (apart from force posturing). And when your only concept of "what is the president that is technically my boss doing" is "he's flying a bunch of generals around at huge cost, pomp, and circumstance to talk about how gay beards are, which is going to get a bunch of people around me fired", that's the dominant concept.
FirmWeird
Randomly Generated Reddit Username
30m ago
There's actually an even bigger and much more interesting cohort of right wingers trying to do science - HBD, evo psych, etc. I'd put money on them getting in as representatives of the right rather than the creationists. Personally I'd be looking forward to mandatory "diversity" classes that are actually HBD rather than the regular tripe.
Primaprimaprima
Aliquid stat pro aliquo
31m ago
Can you write emojis like "^.^" without feeling extremely uncomfortable?
Yes. ^.^
I want to stay focused on the central issue here rather than turning this into a huge quote reply that nitpicks a bunch of little points. What do you want to be able to say or do here that you're not being allowed to say or do? What "mask" do you feel like you're being forced to wear on TheMotte?
The rules here are relatively lax, all things considered. Outside of maintaining a standard of cordiality, restrictions are minimal. I have fond memories of getting banned from multiple forums in the 00s, so I can assure you that the concept of the moderation of internet discussion forums is not a particularly recent invention.
FirmWeird
Randomly Generated Reddit Username
33m ago
It isn't as if "woke" is particularly distinct from creationism. Both ideologies essentially agree on the impact that evolution had on group differences and cognition after all.
Why can't the right-wing create their own universities, or "Antiversities"? And grow them by redirecting the funds from existing universities (NIH, NHS, etc.) while only hiring outside academia.
erwgv3g34
41m ago
The strongest open source models aren't that far behind the strongest proprietary models; a year or two for LLMs, six months for text to image. You can see several open source models in the LMArena top 20, such as Qwen3, DeepSeek R1, Kimi K2, and GLM 4.5.
Problem is, those models are huge. Qwen3 is 235B, R1 is 685B, K2 is 1T, and GLM 4.5 is 358B. It would cost a fortune to get enough GPUs to have enough VRAM to run such locally.
Your best bet is to rent GPU time from an online company and run the models there.
Cirrus
51m ago
That would only work if Russell Vought-tier MAGA conservatives had an unbroken hold on the Executive branch for the next 20 years. They won’t. Their policies will be reversed within five seconds of the next Democrat president taking power, or within about six months of a George Bush-tier Republican taking power. Removing funding would require Congressional approval and they won’t get that.
Next best thing is, as 2rafa says, fill the machine with your people. Next best thing is to bloat higher education with new constituencies favorable to your side. That means more funding to ROTC programs, collegiate athletics, and red-tribe-adjacent disciplines like business and engineering.
aqouta
58m ago
The thing no one seems to be talking about with respect to AI is how the underlying economics of it all are so mind-numbingly bad that a crash is inevitable. I have no idea when this crash is going to happen, but if I had to fathom a guess it will be some time within the next five years. We're talking about a technology that has already burned at least half a trillion dollars and has plans to burn another half trillion with no model for profitability in sight. There's only so long that the flow of venture capital will keep coming before the investors start expecting some kind of return. Add in the fact that Nvidia currently represents about 8% of the total value of the S&P 500 based on sales of graphics cards to a single, unprofitable company, and the economic picture looks even more dire.
Almost every claim in this paragraph is incorrect. Every model Openai has trained was profitable, gpt3 and gpt4 both almost certainly made back their training cost. They are pouring an incredible amount more into R&D of course, but that's kind of the point, the market for this stuff is actually red hot. And I genuinely have no clue why you think NVidia only sells to one company, estimates put the amount of chips sold to microsoft(including openai) at 23% of nvidia sales, google at 12%, amazon at 13%, meta at 11%, and Xai at around 10%.
quiet_NaN
1hr ago
Agreed. My feeling is that OpenAI is burning through venture capital faster than any company in history. If they are selling inference for more than what it costs them in chip deprecation and electricity, that is only because they have a moat in the form of good models. If they ever decide to stop burning through money to make more powerful models, they will quickly find that without that moat they will only be able to charge the same as any rent-a-chip company.
For the most part, the investors do not care about OpenAI being able to sell anything at a profit in 2025. They are simply purchasing stakes in the ASI race. If OpenAI wins that race and alignment just happens, they will be the nobility under god-emperor Altman. If LLM progress plateaus and the singularity fizzles out, their stock will likely crash like the internet companies in the dot-com bubble.
FirmWeird
Randomly Generated Reddit Username
1hr ago
I'm talking about Labour movements and politics (i.e. how the modern day Anglosphere Labour parties got started). Left wing populism gave us the 8 hour workday and 5 day workweek, and I'm personally glad that I don't work the 12-hour shifts and 6-7 day alternating workweek that private industry would prefer. As for state owned businesses I don't think that you can really say they all perform poorly - there are plenty of them that do incredibly well. Singtel has done so well that it has actually bought and acquired a decent portion of the private cell companies in other countries, for instance. And as for Bezos, isn't a large portion of his workforce reliant on welfare to survive anyway? Amazon is the worst of all worlds - the public purse is subsidising all their expenses in exchange for no return at all.
OliveTapenade
1hr ago
Well, he said, "The United States should stop with this half ass shit... If the US decides that you are deserving of its wrath there is no resistance, there is capitulation or everyone dies."
I asked a clarificatory question: "Er, are you advocating that the US should only do nothing or destroy its enemies utterly? And if the standard for utter destruction is astronomically high, doesn't that imply that most of the time the US should do nothing?"
His response to this question was: "Errr... um...errr.... ummm....uuuuur... Correct."
I took that to mean that, yes, his position is as I described it - that the US should either do nothing, or completely annihilate its enemies with nothing in between.
I believe that the point in the Starship Troopers passage, and the metaphor of punishing a baby by cutting its head off, is an effective argument against that position. Sometimes a military should enact a level of destruction that stops somewhere short of "everyone dies" (zoink's words) or "utter destruction" (mine), because the policy goals that a nation might wish to achieve with military action might be, well, something other than complete annihilation of its foes.
Now to his credit zoink seems to back off from his statement and say that he was using bombastic rhetoric. I'm not entirely sure what his actual position is - he rejects the child comparison but concedes he was using extreme rhetoric, but does he concede the actual point of controversy, that is, that some mission profiles call for less than maximum force, and that is desirable for the US military (or any military) to be able to exert controlled force for limited effect? But I stand by what I said as being a reasonable interpretation of what he had said at the time.
George_E_Hale
insufferable blowhard
1hr ago
I got it, just going for low comedy.
birb_cromble
1hr ago
You've reached a level of shitpost where I can't tell if you're ironically saying that WWII was civilized or sarcastically implying that it was not. Would you mind clarifying that a bit so that I can understand you better?
quiet_NaN
1hr ago
I think that one aspect is the question which performance you actually require from the model.
A fundamental difference between free / open source software and open weight models is that for software, the bottleneck is mostly developer hours, while for models, it is computing power on highly specialized machines.
For software, there have been large fields of application where the best available options are open source, and that has been the case for decades -- for example, try even finding a browser whose engine is proprietary, these days. (Of course, there are also large fields where the best options are all proprietary, because no company considered it strategically important to have open source software, nor was it a fun project for nerds to play with, e.g. ERP software or video game engines.)
For LLMs, tens of billions of dollars worth of computing power have to be sacrificed to summon more powerful shoggoths forth from the void. For the most part, the business model of the AI companies which produce the most advanced models seems to be to sell access to it. If Llama or DeepSeek had happened to be more advanced than OpenAI's models, their owners would not have published their weights but charged for access. (The one company I can imagine funding large open-weight models would be Nvidia, as part of a commodize your complement strategy. But as long as no AI company manages to dominate the market, it is likely more lucrative to sell hardware to the various competitors than to try to run it yourself in the hope of enticing people to spend more on hardware than on model access instead.)
That being said, for a lot of applications there is little gain from running a cutting edge model. I may be nerdier than most, but even I would not care too much what fraction of IMO problems an AI girlfriend could solve.
birb_cromble
1hr ago
And I'd feel bad responding to a long text, just to discuss a minor part of it, as that's just nitpicking or directing the conversation towards what interests me but which may not interest the other person.
Please don't feel bad about that. I frequently find that the most interesting content is 1 - 2 branches off of a top level post.
aqouta
1hr ago
Left wing populism is personally advantageous for everyone who does not have so much wealth they never need to work again.
This is straightforwardly not true. State owned businesses perform poorly. Europe which has much more left populist crap is a decaying retirement home. Like most populism leftwing populism is very specifically selected for what scratches the grievance hindbrain of the most people listening to just so stories about how homelessness is really caused by the fact that Bezos has a really big yatch.
TwiceHuman
1hr ago
Isn't this limitation a part of the map rather than part of the territory? Language is limited, logic is limited, math is limited, etc, but reality doesn't particularly care about the mental jails which we create. I disagree with your earlier comment that understanding aspects of the world in depth is impossible, but I do believe that knowledge alone is insufficient. A condition you might accept for "understanding aspects of the world" is being able to predict the future, and some great people of the past have made eerily good predictions (I believe Tesla predicted phones and computer monitors, and Nietzsche predicted communism and its death toll. Less impressive works are ones like 1984, but that still requires a good intuition to notice an approaching problem before others). Maybe it seems like a nitpick, but my claim is "0.01% of people have a solid understanding of some aspect of the world", and with how statistics work, the vast majority of people who claim to have these abilities are wrong.
I hope you get to experience something which breaks your models of what's possible. It's a refreshing experience and a great blow to limiting beliefs
MaiqTheTrue
Renrijra Krin
1hr ago
I think it depends on the flavor of Protestant. If you’re talking about low church Bible thumping evangelicals, I get it, but I think most high church Protestants respect the councils and the dogmas of the early church. The Anglo Catholic movement actually accepts the dogmas and canons of the first seven councils so they’d be pretty in line with the Roman Church and the various Orthodox Churches. Lutherans still informally accept quite a bit of that dogma through the Augustine Confessions and Book of Concord.
HermeneuticsOfVibes
1hr ago
This has been ongoing for far longer than that. Tristan Harris's TED talk outlining how he as a google employee explicitly aimed to manipulate you to maximize your "Time On Site", came out in 2016, and his original internal talk on the subject dates back to 2013.
A few additional data points:
- Twitter started phasing out the chronological timeline in favor of the engagement algorithm in February of 2016.
- Instagram switched from chronological feeds to "best posts first" in the summer of 2015.
- Facebook as of 06/15/15 acknowledged that news feeds action on how long a user reads a feed item, as well as how likely they are to engage with it.
Incumbent advantage in the university field is extreme. Last prestigious universities to be founded were shortly before the turn of the 20th century (Stanford and the University of Chicago)
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