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This seems very reasonable and non-partisan. It doesn't mention Democrats or Republicans, and directly acknowledges that division and political violence is wrong regardless of ideology.
Something about this situation, probably the clear-cut "violence against speech" and reaction, makes me unusually sympathetic. I disagree with most of Charlie Kirk's ideas and share the perspective that his "debates" were performative and one-sided, but since the assassination, I feel only respect for the man himself. And I can't be the only one: that people should challenge their assumptions, hold fair and respectful discussions, and never respond to speech with violence, those are ideas that I was taught in school, and that I've always believed are liberal (and still do, though "liberal" is different from "leftist" and "Blue Tribe"). I'm not the only one who's said or written something like this. I suspect some of the Democrats voting "yes", even being politicians, are doing it not just for appearance but with genuine conviction.
SnapDragon
5m ago
This is the greatest thread in the history of threads!
TeknOShEeP
15m ago
There are plenty of roles where demand exceeds supply, however
Then by the iron laws of economics, the price must increase. In this case you can make a very simple argument that H-1Bs are depressing American wages.
About a single hundred thousand, not all of those American
If you limit your pool to CS graduates, yes. But I humbly submit that essentially any engineering or math graduate can be trained fairly easily to do junior programmer job at a FAANG, and i personally know many who have taken that route. That at least triples your available talent pool.
hydroacetylene
25m ago
Gaza isn’t strictly monogamous, and isn’t subjected to the economic constraints that prevent normal industrial societies from marrying off increasingly marginal men.
TeknOShEeP
28m ago
Eh, again YMMV but speaking to my experience and that of my colleagues and family, I cannot point to an H-1B that I would say is good for the country. So yeah, I would say its universal abuse (this is not a universal judgement about the character of people receiving those visas, many are fine folks put in a sub-optimal situation).
100k absolutely does not wipe out Apple's backend developer. Thats between 25-33% of their salary, not including benefits. It makes them more expensive, so you have to be more careful, but this is big tech we are talking about, they have more money than God and are not afraid to sling it around.
Throwaway05
31m ago
I recall it being mostly non-American doctors - which means radically different professional standards (and standards of professionalism) as well as totally different life background. This may be my brain flattering my biases however.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
32m ago
There is no role in any FAANG company (unless you mean NVIDIA instead of Netflix) where there are no qualified Americans.
There are plenty of roles where demand exceeds supply, however -- essentially all the qualified Americans are already employed or don't care to be.
American universities are graduating hundreds of thousands of them every year.
About a single hundred thousand, not all of those American.
TeknOShEeP
33m ago
He also tried to get rid of the SALT tax exemption in his first term, which is probably the single most progressive piece of tax policy pushed in the past 70 years (and perhaps the only thing AOC agreed with him on).
Prediction: in 50 years historians will look on Trump like they are now looking on Nixon- unexpectedly the most progressive president of their cohort, and completely unrecognized for it in their time.
TeknOShEeP
39m ago
All the H-1B workers I've met at FAANG were great workers, no different from native born Americans, and they were not paid less.
Then respectfully, their jobs should be going to American workers. There is no role in any FAANG company (unless you mean NVIDIA instead of Netflix) where there are no qualified Americans. As an industry "tech" does not have any super secret squirrel sauce that you can't find employees for in most first world countries, its just about how many you can find and what you pay them (chipmaking is a different ball game of course). American universities are graduating hundreds of thousands of them every year. But its easier for a company to import H-1Bs (and even pay them the same!) who's loyalty you own and who on paper have the skills you need than hire domestic talent that might on paper need training and experience.
But a country should have labor policies that benefit its citizens, maybe even at the expense of other countries citizens, thats one of the points of being a country in the first place.
rockbier1218
39m ago
True, but I think the tradeoff is worth it at this point. Notwithstanding the negative externalities on societal cohesion as a whole, the culture that sprung up around the Indian H1B scam factory is so fucking toxic for the tech industry. America is not only the innovation factory because we draw the best and the brightest, but because of the unique entrepreneurial culture that prizes outside the box thinking.
The Indians bring their rote memorization culture with them. Of course there are the entrepreneurs among them as well who come here and push that culture along, but let’s be honest 90+% are just people-pleasing corporate ass-coverers who also happen to have a millennia-long tradition of built-in discrimination deep in their bones. Enough already, the industry is hardly recognizable as American anymore.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
41m ago
I disagree. H-1B is not just "certainly abused", it's universally abused. I'm not saying that H-1Bs are all morons, but some are, and the not-morons are, while competetant, not above replacement level. America generates highly skilled in-demand workers from its domestic population in sufficient numbers to fill any role an H-1B would fill, its just that corporations jave not wanted to spend the time and money to develop the pipeline.
It is not "universally" abused, though the fact that it is used to bring in people who are the Indian equivalent of the bottom half of the class at Directional State is infuriating. 100K a year wipes out nearly all uses, including Apple's backend developer, including most of the non-absuive ones. Although I'm not sure where 100K a year comes from; the proclamation appears to make it 100K for the application and 100K per entry of the alien, which is cheaper but rather cruel to the alien.
crushedoranges
Can Marx explain the used panties market?
43m ago
I am a Canadian and I do not want more any Indians. India has plenty of Indians and, well, look at her. Any benefit they would bring is diminished by fraud, nepotism, and making my country more like their country.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
45m ago
And yet the media keeps reporting these stories as if there's every reason to believe them.
TeknOShEeP
50m ago
Yeah, I think one of the ones I called an EB-1A is actually an O-1 as he has family back in europe that he will return to. But same concept- the genius visa exists for 95+ percentile individuals, and frankly i dont think we should be recruiting below that at the expense of our domestic labor.
faul_sname
Fuck around once, find out once. Do it again, now it's science.
50m ago
Alright, reminder set
TeknOShEeP
52m ago
I disagree. H-1B is not just "certainly abused", it's universally abused. I'm not saying that H-1Bs are all morons, but some are, and the not-morons are, while competetant, not above replacement level. America generates highly skilled in-demand workers from its domestic population in sufficient numbers to fill any role an H-1B would fill, its just that corporations jave not wanted to spend the time and money to develop the pipeline.
Also, 100k is almost the perfect amount of money to do what you say you want- if your talking about a highly skilled worker (lets be honest, a coder at FAANG or similar) than 100k per year is not actually that big of a deal compared to the rest of their compensation package. It will prevent companies like Cognizant from just chain migrating half of Bengaluru to provide substsndard IT services, and will also prevent scummy hospitals from hiring immigrants instead of domestic medical workers, but isn't stopping Apple from hiring some uber talented backend developer.
ControlsFreak
53m ago
I'm sure it's quite field and role dependent, but mine is definitely a good one on that front. They're already pursuing "my project" as a large component of their role. So if I have the makings of a promising idea, it's not uncommon for them to spend hours trying to make the details work. I'm pretty impressed pretty often, but I also have managed to get myself a set of impressive collaborators.
DaseindustriesLtd
late version of a small language model
56m ago
What is the end goal here? Or any goal?
OK, you're slowing them down alright. They will not have as capable models, as quickly or cheaply, in the next 4-6 years. Then what? Is this just banking on an AGI superweapon to make economic dimension irrelevant, or on the windfall from economic growth this is supposed to beget? Huawei is superior in networking equipment, China has an overabundance of energy and skilled labor, if they scale up production of even past-generation compute chips (and mainly HBM), they will have a fully adequate and incompatible domestic ecosystem and Nvidia and others will never reenter their market, and American slice of it will be that much smaller.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
59m ago
Ok one more hot take: Brands in cycling barely matter, they really only do the frame (if they do!) and then assemble parts from suppliers. So pick PARTS not brand.
Yeah, what's annoying to me as an outsider is that I thought "Shimano" was a brand name like an Edelbrock engine, only to realize they make EVERYTHING, so they're not really any indicator of quality.
100k per person per year. 100k per person per 3 year term, perhaps extensible to 6 years, would be more reasonable. An auction instead of a lottery would be better still, allowing the market to discover the price. Then you can mess with the cap until the market settles on a price you like.
Also 24 hour notice is not reasonable here. That's just performative "fuck immigrants" posturing, which is par for the course for Trump but still disappointing.
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