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The_Nybbler
In the game of roller derby, women aren't just the opposing team; they're the ball.
15hr ago
before they would start looking like North Korea
Which is to say, stable and at peace (if an uneasy one) with their neighbors?
dr_analog
top 1% of underdog fetishists
16hr ago
Yes this is indeed actually more plausible.
I still prefer my version because it's clear to me I would even be willing to annihilate very white Canadians if they supported something like a 10/07 on America.
The fact that Palestinians are full of jihadis makes them repulsive to me but the basis of my indifference is game theory.
NYTReader
16hr ago
This makes him the first right winger I've seen say anything about starvation
Maybe you mean the first Republican. Right-wing anti-Zionists, like Darryl Cooper and Tucker Carlson, believe that Israel is intent on killing as many Palestinians as possible without completely alienating the international community, and then expelling the rest.
There's no way Israel could be anything different. They're surrounded by enemies.
They started out with a fairly "European" mindset back when Israel was founded. That's why they didn't just ethnically cleanse the area back when they could've gotten away with it more easily. A cynic would say that that was a mistake. They are becoming Middle-Easterners in order to survive among the Middle-Easterners. Again, a cynic would say they're not adapting fast enough.
The only other option would have been to do it in a different location. Hand them part of defeated Germany after the war, and move the Jews already in Palestine out. But of course, Germany isn't the Holy Land.
But it didn't. And once it happens everyone knows it's possible. And now that's the reality both governments have to live in. Just as Israel has to respond if only for domestic reasons, Hamas may also be emboldened.
We're also operating with hindsight about how (in)effective Hezbollah would be here. A situation where Hezbollah is also emboldened while Hamas is still effective and untouched looks significantly more dangerous after Oct. 7.
hanikrummihundursvin
16hr ago
Oh, they weren't "deranged." Jew-hatred is centuries old. I realize you're in the "There's a good reason for that" camp, but like everyone else who says this, you never do more than wave at Jewish Communists and other Jewish leftists and imply that this is evidence of some inherent nefarious characteristic of Jewishness.
That's not true. There are certainly a lot of good examples on the left of what many take issue with when it comes to jews and behavior that is demonstrably negative to others. Which also demonstrates a very vicious spirit against the other. But that's not my evidence for anything other than that. There are bad people and negative psychological expressions in all population groups. The distinction is where it manifests, how and why. My main underlying point would be that jews are highly ethnocentric and seemingly unaware of their own biases in a way that can become very damaging if left unchecked. As many jews have demonstrated.
Were Jewish citizens of Germany exempt from national service?
I doubt it, but since my examples don't relate to the position of jews within Germany during WW2 I don't know why I should care.
You sure loved that anecdote about a few Jewish families with a dozen passports, but how common do you think that is, really?
Probably rare, which is why my point was highlighted by immigrant groups in Ukraine running away from conflict. The point wasn't about jews in particular but the phenomenon of outside population groups reaping the harvest and then leaving when it's time to till the field.
Do you think the average Jew (in America or elsewhere) has a dozen passports and is ready to flee the country if it faces a threat? Do you think Jews would flee in greater numbers than others? If a Jew doesn't have multiple passports and has in fact served in the military, do you regard him as a co-national like yourself? (Have you served?)
Do you think these questions are relevant to anything I've said? To the only tangentially relevant point, last time I checked, jews were very underrepresented in the US armed forces.
OracleOutlook
Fiat justitia ruat caelum
16hr ago
Don't people generally have a "Support the Troops" mentality even if you disagree with what the leadership is doing with the troops?
I imagine that it gets even more so when everyone and their brother spent time in the IDF when they were young.
ZanarkandAbesFan
16hr ago
Besides, even for broadly the current location, there would have been better solutions (proper ethnic cleansing followed by the establishment of a firm border, not the current slowly expanding blob with partially incorporated territories).
No arguments there.
magic9mushroom
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16hr ago
META strategies
I don't know what this is intended to mean. Is META an acronym for something? Or what are "metastrategies" in this context?
WestphalianPeace
16hr ago
The war situation has developed not necessarily to Gaza's favor.
ActuallyATleilaxuGhola
Axolotl Tank Class of '24
16hr ago
Wait until you get to the endgame: pickled sausages. Pure lard, vinegar, and salt, absolutely nothing redeeming and absolutely delicious. Bonus points if they come out firecracker red.
self_made_human
Grippy socks, grippy box
16hr ago
If you'd like to know the exact location, it was a Chinese place called Dinh Tai Fung. In a way, that makes it more surprising, because my experience suggests restaurants tend to charge more for their drinks.
I've only had a single meal at a Spoons, but it was perfectly fine, and I'd dine there again unless I was specifically looking for fine dining.
hanikrummihundursvin
16hr ago
I would be inclined to agree with you and others as far as peace goes but this is ignoring expansionist ambitions of Israel. Israel wants land occupied by Palestinians. All Palestinians have to do on that front is not leave. To that extent they can win battles and drag the conflict towards a stalemate of sorts.
benmmurphy
17hr ago
I'm further out from central London than Canary Wharf but closer than Bromley and pints where I live will typically cost £6-7. £5.75 sounds like a great price for Canary Wharf. I think I've seen pints for less than £2 in Wetherspoons. Wetherspoons also has a crazy large food menu and prices seem cheaper compared to similar pubs. But I've never eaten in Wetherspoons so I'm not sure about how the quality.
4bpp
Now I am become a Helpful, Honest and Harmless Assistant, the destroyer of jobs
17hr ago
Even if the guilt tripping had happened either way, I think it is plausible that it would not have translated into so many Middle Eastern refugees - both because American entanglement in the region would have been lower, and because admitting them is now also seen as part of our duty towards Israel (I have seen multiple instances of "Israel should expel the Palestinians and we should take them all in" in the deep-green comment sections of German papers at this point).
Also, under some versions of the idea, not that much clay would even have to be taken from Germany - Poland was already shifted far more west than it had to be, at the expense of Germany. It's counterintuitive from a modern perspective just how Jewish the Bloodlands used to be - percentages in the typical larger city ranged from 10 to 40.
FtttG
17hr ago
we can finally stop sending them massive amounts of direct and indirect aid
I'd have no objection to that, personally.
4bpp
Now I am become a Helpful, Honest and Harmless Assistant, the destroyer of jobs
17hr ago
Israel had 86.5% favourability for the IDF last year, seemingly up to 93% now but I'm only finding paywalled articles. Unfortunately there are rarely polls that measure trust in the system of government modulo the parts that it allows the public to influence (since favourability for the Netanyahu administration would more accurately correspond to something like favourability of the current Hamas leadership).
WandererintheWilderness
17hr ago
If they didn't fight, it would be October 7 constantly.
Well, that's the question. Hamas would certainly attempt October 7 constantly. But "Oct 7 was a fluke caused by an unforced error in the Israeli defense strategy, Hamas did not have the capacity to achieve regular Oct 7-level attacks and Oct 7 itself could easily have failed if Israel had put in a bit more effort" is a reasonable claim.
Pasha
Defend Kebab
17hr ago
Great news! Now that we established Israelis live long enough and we shouldn’t care about them dying of causes which aren’t statistically important, we can finally stop sending them massive amounts of direct and indirect aid. Imagine how many Africans can be saved from aids in exchange for stopping a single ballistic missile hitting Tel Aviv.
"Eh, they are not 'free Palestine' raped yet"
If Hamas had the military power to actually accomplish this, that would make their actions less pointlessly evil. The fact that Hamas' power is limited to terrorizing a few unarmed civilians and then scampering away in impotent terror when the real soldiers show up is, itself, the problem. The fact that they're too weak to have any chance of victory is the reason why their futile war crimes are so heinous. It's one thing to commit a necessary evil in order to liberate your people from oppression. It's another, much worse thing to commit a pointless evil just for the sake of doing it.
As Talleyrand once said of another act of self-destructive violence against civilians: "It was worse than a crime; it was a mistake."
5434a
17hr ago
tried anything doughy
I'd never considered that you could smoke bread. This is going in my culinary bucket list next to pickled cheese.
WandererintheWilderness
17hr ago
Why is Palestine entitled to Israeli food?
Well, human rights come to mind. Rather, they're the reason individual Palestinians are entitled to food generally, whatever it takes to get it to them - not Palestine as a political entity, and not Israeli food in particular.
Are the Israeli lives more important than the lives of the Gazan children or not?
Because at this point the Israelis are holding the children hostage too.
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