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TIRM
2hr ago
little reason to need wonder why or how someone who was against ICE might have hit people ICE was detaining instead
Supposedly the victims were inside a windowless van with ICE markings. In the back of some ICE vans are ICE officers. In the back of others are detainees. Oops, these were detainees.
dragonfly
2hr ago
I do think talk therapy, etc, have a place as a first-line intervention and everyone is too quick to jump to puberty blockers/HRT, but ultimately I agree with you: estradiol worked, the other things didn't.
I even had reason recently to stop it for a while which seemed like a good chance to test if it was still necessary or whether the other changes were enough. Sure enough, things were terrible again (long after the period where the hormone changes had largely settled down).
My position is that it's kind of like chemo: it may not solve things and dear God don't do it if you don't have the relevant issue, but if it works it's invaluable.
Ecgtheow
2hr ago
The optimal amount of a bad thing is always zero. The question is at what point do the costs of preventing the marginal bad thing outweigh the benefits of preventing it.
I would expect the marginal cost of preventing lone gunmen from doing political assassinations to be extremely high given the surveillance required.
TIRM
2hr ago
Christchurch shooter did it first.
The bullet writing seems like a lamer version of gun writing. And if I recall correctly one of the trans shooters also used obviously copycat gun writing.
jak22
3hr ago
I really appreciate you honing in on a proper response. I know I'm not being entirely clear.
Tis the power of asking questions, and thank you for being willing to open up so much. This response I think gets us much closer to somewhere useful. And their are a few places where I think you can explore further. But first, to re-echo @FiveHourMarathon above:
You shouldn't seek consciously to align yourself with a whole grab-bag of beliefs.
This is such an important point, and he elaborates on it well so I won't divulge further, I just want to emphasize how important I think that is.
But onto some specific comments and questions regarding church and romance:
On Church (traditionalism)
Disclaimer: I'm not religious, so the following will be an accounting from people who are/have been close to me in my life...
A strong community with strong values that are very family-friendly is great
Agreed, this is something I have really respected about religion (despite not being religious myself), they really do foster community which is so powerful.
I believe I could attend church and say all the right words because a kind God who would understand everything about me is deeply touching. But would my kids appreciate my lying to them?
I once had an ex-girlfriend who was an Episcopalian, and she told me that at her church, there are active members who don't believe in God but come every Sunday for the community. And the community accepts them. It is very likely that this is a very weird church (it is in SF after all), but the core point here is I do not think you have to have all the same beliefs as the congregation you are in to go to church somewhere. Obviously some baseline stuff is required, i.e. actually believing in God is probably needed at most churches. But every belief doesn't have to be the same. And if the church you find does have a problem with some view.... find a different church. I'm sure some people more religious than me would disagree with this, but I think you can be choosy about what parts of religion and the bible work for you. It doesn't have to be that you believe every word to go to church.
I can tell you, statistically, Christians are not helped at all by their faith, except for their community building. If goodwill and karma and a loving God existed, that girl I knew wouldn't have shot herself.
In my world view "faith" and "the existence of a loving god" are too very different things. One is a question of belief (I think a loving god exists), and the other is a question of truth (A loving god exists). I too have doubts as to the latter, but that doesn't mean that people's faith doesn't provide vast amounts of comfort to them irregardless of the truth value to the former.
On dating apps (liberalism)
I don't know how many women will have it be a dealbreaker if we don't have sex within a short timeframe, or if I fail to break the touch barrier, or if I suck at kissing
So, more women than you think will ok with this. Modern media likes to frame women as these "sexual beings", and while those kinds of women do exist, they aren't omnipresent. And more women than you probably think would be ok waiting until things become serious to have sex. And if you play it with the right charisma, this can even come across extremely romantic.
I don't know if they will mind if I have dealbreakers like no blowjobs or no anal sex
Main thing here The VAST majority of women don't do anal. Anal is very much a product out of porn, and is mostly done because men who have watched too much porn ask women to do it. Most women won't ask for anal.
I think a huge mistake liberalism makes is saying that you need to sleep around to figure out what you prefer sexually, that every time you're with another person, you get closer to your true self.
I think this is another one of those beliefs that really only exist in the outside fringes of liberals. I.e. only the most liberal people (men or women) I know actually believe something like this. Most of the people I know, including my liberal friends, believe something closer to what you said about only wanting to have sex with someone you think you'll want to marry. My personal rule of thumb, is sex is only something I will do with someone who I am in a relationship with, and deeply care about.
I think the self is fleeting and changes even as you pursue it
Definitely -- My favorite quote from any teacher I ever had was from an old english teacher in high school who said "feelings are ephemeral". I think about that quote so damn often. Because life is, at its core, ephemeral. (God I love that word)
Last question
it was such a waste, and you were made permanently uglier
So here's a thought, and again this comes from a place of curiousity. Why do you believe that sex makes you permanently uglier? Is it a byproduct of your religious upbringing? Or from something else?
Again, thank you for being so open, and I hope some of these, thoughts, questions and observations can help you even a little bit.
Goodguy
3hr ago
I police officers manage to work without masks, why shouldn't ICE agents? Leftists have raged against police officers as much as they have raged against ICE agents.
TIRM
3hr ago
But the opposite, right? It is an escalation by hoping they get unmasked and personally targeted. As in them and their families getting payback for enforcing immigration law.
Ok but from sources I believe the right vs left political violence tally is like 50/50 after you take out the obvious nonsense picks.
Could you post these sources? That is not my assessment, and it seems like the sort of thing we ought to be able to debate.
Plenty of lefty terror groups that disappeared and went inactive over the years too.
Speaking historically, they received financial, legal and moral support from the broader left, and many of them were given comfortable sinecures in high-status institutions. That history does not seem very de-escalatory to me.
Celestial-body-NOS
Supra tumulum tuum, astra nobis.
3hr ago
lowering temperature is a billion times harder
The kabbalistic implications are obvious.
Celestial-body-NOS
Supra tumulum tuum, astra nobis.
3hr ago
...or maybe he had some beef with German high-speed trains?
FirmWeird
Randomly Generated Reddit Username
3hr ago
Large patches of the left celebrated the death (ie were anti free speech) and then are claiming to be champions of free speech. Chutzpah to say the least.
In fairness I think the people on the left currently mocking Kirk's death were also mocking the idea of free speech (or freeze peach to use their infantilising and credibility-subtracting language).
aqouta
3hr ago
Ok but from sources I believe the right vs left political violence tally is like 50/50 after you take out the obvious nonsense picks. The people to tame the pro-life bombings weren't the Trump camp and Trump would never in a million years do all the prostration people are calling for in this thread on behalf of a lunatic that did violence against his enemies. Plenty of lefty terror groups that disappeared and went inactive over the years too.
EvanTh
3hr ago
You're sounding like the people of March 1861, all convinced that their side would whip the other side in one single battle and win the civil war.
And then it stretched on for more than four bloody years.
BahRamYou
3hr ago
Cmon man, we've all been through the election just a year ago. There's a million rumors about how that went down and nothing is certain. Obviously Biden didn't want to leave, that's just human nature. But at the same time, no one can force him to abandon the nomination if he was really stubborn. You shouldn't treat rumors like "inside sources say theres a secret puppet master in the DNC who forced Biden out by threatening hin with a pee tape" as if they're a reliable fact. Biden might br in bad health, but he's still very much alive, and no one used the 25th amendment on him.
Skibboleth
It's never 4D Chess
3hr ago
Goddamn, I thought people were joking
I'm not saying this is a stitch up, but if it was this is about the level of effort and competence I would expect.
Fucking hell. "I'm going to write 'Anti-ICE' on one single bullet of a five round clip." Maybe it was a galaxy-brained move by the shooter to make it look like the admin was framing leftists. (It wasn't)
A more serious possibility is that the guy really did have left-wing motives, but didn't leave any obvious indicators to that effect so he's getting a posthumous OJ treatment.
oats_son
3hr ago
I suppose it could be "both". I didn't know she liked to cut frogs open when I met her. She was "cute" in her genuineness and she was funny. Perhaps she was more outgoing because of her trauma; it sounded like both her parents and also her stepfather were terrible people. I regret getting involved with her in more ways than one, but I guess I don't feel too ashamed to publicly admit that I liked her now.
MaiqTheTrue
Renrijra Krin
3hr ago
There’s also a case to be made that the violence problem doesn’t start with your minimum number of shootings, but with what we have now — growing normalization, increased dehumanization of political opponents, and political extremism. When large portions of the population believe their opponents to be threats to democracy, and it becomes normal to refer to them as evil and subhuman, you get more shootings.
Goodguy
3hr ago
I do think that the classical liberal narrative is more rational than either the leftist narrative or the conservative narrative, but it's not what I really mean by "events viewed rationally". I mean more like, events viewed in their actual proportion. Political violence kills on the same order of as many Americans as lightning every year. It is disproportional to indulge in narratives where America is bathed in political violence, because it simply isn't.
I disagree that the liberal (meaning classical liberal) narrative is no longer a coherent frame for what is happening in US society. It seems at least as coherent to me as its main competitors. But yes, the competitors are growing stronger for various reasons, one such reason being that the modern American flavor of liberalism as a ruling ideology has shown itself as being much less able to tackle big problems, and much more prone to bumbling and/or misgovernment (Iraq War, COVID policy, inflation, etc.) than people would like.
Skeletor
3hr ago
Instead, I want to ask y’all what “the left” should be doing. What constitutes a “serious attempt to resolve” this situation? Does it involve public disavowals by the leadership? Cancelling any streamer stupid enough to say something edgy? The DNC taking responsibility for a terrorist act like it’s al-Qaeda? Maybe some time in the stockades, or a few televised executions? What would it take for you to feel like “the left” was making a good-faith effort?
Pure premium gaslighting bullshit. We all know what it looks like when the left is actually upset about something, and what we're seeing ain't it. Get back to me when the 24/7 torrent of calls to violence on Reddit get taken half as seriously as a sticky note with "It's okay to be white" written on it.
SnapDragon
3hr ago
How can there be such a long argument about men not reading in Way of Kings
You could have stopped it there! Hehe. But you're right, glyphs fill a very large gap here.
Goodguy
3hr ago
A huge number of lives could have likely been saved if European statesmen had figured out how to respond more calmly and peacefully to Franz Ferdinand's assassination, instead of letting emotion, fear of looking weak, and desire to exploit the situation for realpolitik reasons drive them to ever-increasing escalations.
MaiqTheTrue
Renrijra Krin
3hr ago
Okay, but anything short of saying “federal agents doing their job” is tacitly enabling the narrative they’re Gestapo goose stepping into Home Depot to arrest anyone who looks Mexican. At some point, leadership has to say “I don’t like it, but it’s more important to protect officers doing their job” or they bare some responsibility for acts committed against them.
This seems like a great opportunity for a mass collaboration.
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