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ThenElection
2d ago
Note to self: the best way to get @DaseindustriesLtd to write a lengthy comment on an ML topic is to write a post confidently and aggressively wrong about the topic.
YoungAchamian
2d ago
Why do you open up like this:
Having no interest to get into a pissing context
But start your argument like this:
but amounts to epitemically inept, reductionist, irritated huffing and puffing with an attempt to ride on (irrelevant) credentials
It doesn't come off as some fervent truth-seeking, passionate debate, and/or intelligent discourse. It comes across as a bitter nasty commentariat incredulous that someone would dare to have a different opinion from you. Multiple people in this post were able to disagree with OP without resorting to prosaic insults in their first sentence. I get that you have a lot of rep around here, which gives you a lot of rope but why not optimize for a bit more light instead of a furnace full of heat? It could not have been hard to just not write that sentence...
At the risk of getting into it with you again. What did you think of this when it made its rounds 2 months ago: https://ml-site.cdn-apple.com/papers/the-illusion-of-thinking.pdf
Ioper
2d ago
Millennials dressed like literal prostitues when they were young though. 'Sexless blob' came when they got older and could uncharitably be viewed as a cope for aging out of attractiveness (or getting fat).
Bartender_Venator
2d ago
It changes a lot in between parts, in terms of artstyle, storytelling, setting, powers, etc. The first 10 episodes of part 1 (i.e. Part 1 of the original manga) in particular is pretty rough compared to the others, and the action only really kicks off in episode 3, but it certainly kicks off.
It's true that most of the stuff online is either fluff or paywalled, and there are a lot of expensive workshops out there. You can skip those. If you want to get into it, you really just need to read one book: Personality Types: Using the Enneagram for Self Discovery, by Don Riso. It has 90% of everything you would ever need to know about the Enneagram, packaged up in a very readable format. You can probably get it at a used bookstore for $10, and it will likely be at your local library.
(Or you can read it online here, if you don't mind being a pirate)
Here's an excerpt from the book on Type Five:
Like the other two members of the Doing Triad, average Fives tend to have problems with security because they fear that the environment is unpredictable and potentially threatening. Fives protect themselves by being extraordinarily observant so that they can anticipate problems in the environment, particularly problems with other people. Their curiosity, their insight, their need to make sense of their perceptions — and eventually, their paranoid tendencies — are all attempts to defend themselves from real or imagined dangers.
When Fives are healthy, they observe reality as it is and are able to comprehend complex phenomena at a glance. In their search for security, however, the perceptions of even average Fives tend to become skewed. They come to premature conclusions about the environment by projecting their faulty interpretations on it. They begin to reduce the complexity of reality to a single, all-embracing idea so that they can defend themselves by having everything figured out. And if they become unhealthy, Fives are the type of persons who take their eccentric ideas to such absurd extremes that they become obsessed with completely distorted notions about reality. Ultimately, unhealthy Fives become paranoid, utterly terrified by the threatening visions which they have created in their minds.
Their problem with anxiety, one of the issues common to the personality types of the Doing Triad, is related to their difficulty with perceiving reality objectively. They are afraid of allowing anyone or anything to influence them or their thoughts. They fear being controlled or possessed by someone else. Ironically, however, even average Fives are not unwilling to be possessed by an idea, as long as the idea has originated with them. Nothing must be allowed to influence their thinking lest their sense of self be diminished, although by relying solely on their own ideas, without testing them in the real world, Fives eventually become out of touch with reality.
The upshot of this is that average to unhealthy Fives are uncertain whether or not their perceptions of the environment are valid. They do not know what is real and what is the product of their minds. They project their anxiety-ridden thoughts and their aggressive impulses into the environment, becoming fearful of the antagonistic forces which seem to be arrayed against them. They gradually become convinced that their peculiar, and increasingly paranoid, interpretation of reality is the way things really are. In the end, they become so terrorized that they cannot act even though they are consumed by anxiety.
ThisIsSin
Liberty has an anti-privilege bias
2d ago
You had me questioning whether or not we watched the same show for a second there. Granted, it's been quite a while.
There is a whole thing where the two middle school aged girls are implied to have had sex or at least made out together which is why the other girl is a third wheel
If you're talking about this, Hitomi's just being stupid about it, and this is a meme for a reason. Also, I hate to break this to you, but 14 year olds do know what lesbians are, and if the mere mention of [a character that age considers that a half-reasonable explanation in the absence of other evidence] is salacious pedo-bait then I really don't understand what wouldn't be.
and their bosoms
What bosoms? Most of the girls are relatively flat; the only real exception to that is Mami, and I guess Sayaka's chestplate makes them look a bit bigger. As for the skirts, yes, drawing your attention to that part of the inner thigh is the reason people use that outfit.
Well I suppose it is but it's a standard I oppose.
Wait, you really think a 'sexuality' predicated on a lack of secondary sexual characteristics would be... enticed by outfits meant to accentuate them? That doesn't make much logical sense to me.
Instead, I think this is just your normal adult woman fetish being activated in a way you're uncomfortable with/not used to and being Very Concerned about it.
Also, for the vast majority of the world (and American states), including Russia where Orthoxerox lives, the point at which one is no longer considered a sexual minor is 16+, which is literally the latter half of the teens.
Stefferi
Chief Suomiposter
2d ago
The modern-day anarchists and anarchoid types (not formally anarchist but obviously influenced that way) have rather clearly abandoned the goal of overturning the society totally and replaced it with the one of "existing in the cracks", ie. assuming that the regular square society will still exist in some form and they can get on by with various forms of leeching.
Stefferi
Chief Suomiposter
2d ago
If there was an actual collapse of the society with warlords roaming about, these would be more likely to be independently-operating army officers a la Chinese warlords of the Warlord Era, not... independent entrepreneurs like these people imagine it would go.
SubstantialFrivolity
I'm not even supposed to be here today
2d ago
I see. Yeah I wasn't aware of that, so maybe my confusion is caused by having seen the manga without knowing.
Gaashk
2d ago
I definitely doomscroll The Motte, and find it more addictive than social media.
The_Nybbler
In the game of roller derby, women aren't just the opposing team; they're the ball.
2d ago
Hamas is not capable of that sort of surrender. There is no "emperor of Hamas" who will be listened to if he tells everyone to obey the Israelis.
thejdizzler
2d ago
It's also quite difficult to use TheMotte in a way that encourages low effort. My best performing posts are ones I spend time on, which is usually a form of deep work. There really isn't enough content on here to doomscroll, and reading comments is actually usually pretty high energy.
We were made to go through a test and an interview with a psychologist when I started out as a management consultant as part of the onboarding process. They said I was ENTJ which fits well enough but the E wasn't very definitive.
Pretty much everyone they hired were NT, most E but with a pretty even split on P/J. Being NT seemed like a hiring requirement.
ToaKraka
Dislikes you
2d ago
According to both English Wikipedia and Japanese Wikipedia, light novels may have some manga-style illustrations but are not full manga.
I'm not well acquainted with light novels, but Durarara was adapted from its original light-novel format to a manga as well as to an anime, so maybe you saw an image of the manga.
Primaprimaprima
...something all admit only "TRUMP", and the Trump Administration, can do.
2d ago
Based on the descriptions, I'm more of a Four. (...and that's exactly what the test gave me, 4w3. That probably should really be 4w5 though, because I have rather idiosyncratic conceptions of "status" and "success" that probably don't line up with what the test authors had in mind.)
I think there's a difference between, do you like to categorize people because it's another interesting data point about how they work, or do you like to categorize people because you want to know the color of their soul.
Southkraut
The rain fell gentlier.
2d ago
Yeah. "Have someone else take care of the aspects of my life I dislike while I double down on what I'm good at." probably describes a wide range of wishful thinking scenarios, political on both sides and otherwise.
SubstantialFrivolity
I'm not even supposed to be here today
2d ago
I mean, I think Jojo sucks lol. So it could just be that it isn't for you. But it is fairly popular, so it's probably worth giving a shot up through part 3. That is where the show undergoes a significant transformation in formula, and becomes more or less what it will be for the rest of the series.
Going to take a bit of a different angle than most people: yes, agriculture is a highly intelligent system, one that outperforms all of humans, sophisticated numerical models, LLMs, and chimps in its niche.
It has its actuators (trucks, etc), and it has its neurons (individual humans and collections of humans). And a learning signal: prices (or, as a TD signal, profit). As a system, it manages to do things nothing else is capable of: no human or computer is smart enough to process all the information needed for it to succeed in its niche, and the individual humans are not organizing production and consumption so much as synapsing to other neurons based on the signals the system provides.
Asking if a combine is intelligent is like asking if a voltage differential across a membrane is intelligent. No, but the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.
SubstantialFrivolity
I'm not even supposed to be here today
2d ago
Can you explain? Because I've seen pictures of Durarara and it is most certainly a comic. It's panels of artwork with text bubbles and the like, just like manga. I can't tell a difference between the two, which is why I asked.
Capital_Room
rather dementor-like
2d ago
No, but if a political system screws people like me or literally kills them, then I do not endorse it.
Well, that depends on how broadly or narrowly, and on which axes, you define "people like me." Because, with respect to my own political preferences, it "screws people like me" if you define that on terms like "people too disabled to work," but not if you define on terms like "Red Tribe Alaskans."
the_Culture_is_great
2d ago
I don't care about the judgment of trailer trash - I care about the judgment of the "normal" people (which OP is presenting himself as) in each location.
I think the normal person in "methed up area" will have a harsher opinion on tattoos than a "normal" person in a large city. A couple of reasons:
- rural areas tend to be older and more conservative
- cities have more distinct subcultures that are both not-trash (to the typical PMC) and have frequent tattoos (e.g. LGBT folks are much more likely to be tattooed, and are not judged harshly by the PMC)
- the types of tattoos you'll see on people in the city are likely different, and on average will be more tasteful to PMC eyes
- more PMC people will know of "respectable" people who have a small tattoo that disappears under their white collar every day - there are fewer white collar "respectable" jobs in rural areas
I don't think the exact nature of judgement between cities and rural areas is central to my point though. My point is really just that local cultures differences exist, and so you can't make a blanket "Anyone who gets a tattoo is comfortable with associating themselves in this way".
Capital_Room
rather dementor-like
2d ago
Well, I appreciate the honesty, but why would anyone join you on it?
Well, because probably the majority of people with similar views would benefit from it, for one — indeed, I've had fellow reactionaries argue that the mere fact of my disability means I "don't belong" on the right, despite our shared views; and that, per Spandrell's Bioleninism, my "only place" in politics is "on the Left, voting Dem in exchange for gibs" until the Reaction comes and disposes of subhumans like me.
ToaKraka
Dislikes you
2d ago
can anyone explain to me the difference between manga and light novels? They seem the same, as they are both comics
If you're the kind of person who writes things like "the color of their soul" then yes, I would agree you are a Four. :-)
Enneagram "tests" are pretty hit and miss, I find the best way to type someone is to teach the types to them and let them type themselves. But based on your comments 4w5 sounds pretty likely for you.
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