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thejdizzler
4hr ago
I agree. Societies that ban these tools will lose, either on the field of battle or via economic competition (brain drain). I think with AI the case is that the tools aren't very useful/ actually hurt a society's productivity in the medium to long-run.
Grant_us_eyes
4hr ago
Well, see, that's the problem.
It's the exact opposite.
The reason the first movie drew so many nerds and geeks to it, despite the majority of them actively disliking said movie and it's resolution is that James Cameron actually put in the work to build verisimilitude. The entire setup and world-building of the first movie - if you do the background research - is actually really, really good. He basically sets up a cyberpunk dystopia in a very subtle way to explain the whys and wherefores.
Some of the background aspects that always stuck with me was the brutal albeit realistic risks that people signing up for a tour on Pandora would take. You weren't signing up for a tour on a vacation world, but a potentially deadly mission to what amounted to a remote Antarctica Research facility, only ten times worse. If your cryo-pod failed during transit, they would quietly euthanized you, as they couldn't spare the resources to keep your sorry ass alive for several years, and you just weren't that valuable. If you got injured past a certain point, again, they just euthanized you. It spoke of a ruthless business with very limited resources that treated thier employees like replaceable cogs, and with the same care. Brutal, albeit realistic and understandable.
And then there's the ISV Venture Star, which is one of the most gorgeous ships in movie history. Beautiful thing.
The second movie basically takes all the world-building in the first movie and throws it in the trash. Turns out, no, full-brain uploads and backups are a thing, and can be done in a trivial fashion. Whoops, the head security guy knocked up someone and the resultant child got left behind, despite the previous attitude toward RDA's own employees meaning said child likely would have been aborted without so much as a raised eyebrow or blush.
Avatar 2 basically went full Eclipse Phase without working out the implications of what going full Eclipse Phase actually means. Given all the homework done to make the first Avatar movie reasonably work(compared to other movies, atleast), it points overall that James Cameron likely had nothing to do with the writing/worldbuilding and is basically making shit up for the second movie without thinking it through and going all in on selling a message.
Granted, that's what the first movie did, but it atleast did the work to make it actually interesting.
Whoof. Okay. Glad to get that off my chest. All right, I'm done.
I don't think there is an ideal solution that adequately "punishes" such a mother or restitutes the father while not also being cruel to the child.
If you ask me I think letting the child remain with their biological parents is actually more cruel to the kid than anything else. Especially with the biological mother. Such a woman should be presumed unfit to parent.
Letting a child grow up under these conditions, where the father is an unwilling parent and the mother is using them as a bargaining chip to entrap the father, is horrific to me. If designing policy I would not be aiming for a perfect, happy-family situation, since the possibility of that is long gone; rather I genuinely believe the ideal solution in most cases would be to place the child with an adoptive family when young. It also has the advantage of not rewarding terrible behaviour from the mother. The state should intervene not to enforce a system that's bad for 2/3 of the parties involved, but to make sure the child gets placed somewhere better.
Then we can start talking about prosecution of the biomother, for causing injury to the father and child alike.
As it is, it's not uncommon for the state to punish the father for being victimised, ensure the child remains in a dysfunctional family situation, and reward the mother for committing an atrocity. You might understand why I view the way we've collectively chosen to deal with this as messed up.
EDIT: added a paragraph
Amadan
Enjoying my short-lived victory
5hr ago
Well, I condemn mothers who abandon their children also, and obviously manipulating someone with pregnancy is bad. I don't think there is an ideal solution that adequately "punishes" such a mother or restitutes the father while not also being cruel to the child.
naraburns
nihil supernum
5hr ago
On one had: yes, certainly.
On the other hand, it's not necessarily great shakes for homosexuals, either, depending on their goals. Online "dating" is pretty effective at facilitating hookup culture, whether straight or gay--it's just that straight hookup culture is just as paywalled for average-to-below-average males in other contexts as it is online. Gay hookup culture is something else entirely.
I had a gay student some years ago (pre-Obergefell) who dated like a mid-20th century Baptist. He didn't want to have a bunch of anonymous group sex, he wanted to find his soulmate and get married. He went to a gay bar once, and the third time someone that night greeted him by grabbing his crotch, he left and swore never to return.
I have no idea what the actual ratio of "just the sex, please" men to "approximately the sociosexual desires of a rural church girl" men is, in the gay dating pool. But it seems clear that online dating is much, much easier for the former than the latter. The ratios are presumably different in the heterosexual scene, but the shape of the problem seems about the same.
Yeah this definitely reflects a deep-seated and probably intractable difference in morality. As I said, one of these terminal moral values.
But, that being said, I would at the very least like if those who advocated such positions made attempts at ensuring moral consistency. I can't say and won't make judgements on whether you have or not, but in my experience people generally don't.
The law certainly doesn't meet these standards, anyway. It should go one way or the other. I know what I would morally prefer, but any consistency is better than no consistency.
Amadan
Enjoying my short-lived victory
5hr ago
I don't care what the mother did, I care about the child who was created by your actions, no matter how evil the mother. Yes, it sucks to have been trapped like that. It also sucks to be a child abandoned due to the caprice of not one but two parents.
You are right that we've discussed this before and won't agree. I will not change my position that there are few people more deserving of being spat on than those who'd justify abandoning a child of theirs for whatever bad actions of the other parent.
self_made_human
Grippy socks, grippy box
5hr ago
I enjoyed the entire Zones of Thought series, but alas, the mechanism underlying it is even more fictional than anything Avatar has to offer. It's remarkable how hard the scifi is, the ISV Venture Star gets us nerds really going.
FistfullOfCrows
5hr ago
That wall of text of rules for online dating
Jeez, straight online dating must be soul crushing, I had a roomate in college who would just send a dick pic and have instantly like 5 guys climbing over eachother to try and get in his pants. He had different dudes with him every other week.
That sucks. But if there's a human being you created with your actions (and you chose to put your dick in her), I absolutely despise anyone who'd refuse to take responsibility for that and leave the child you created to poverty and probably being brought up in the same life, no matter how much you despise the mother.
I don't actually view the father as being hugely responsible for the creation of the child in this circumstance. The child was created primarily via the mother's deception, and the father was operating under a situation of false information. In addition, in similar fashion to another user in the thread, I don't have a high opinion of the inherent role of DNA in creating a link between child and father.
Finally, as I noted, this assignation of responsibility to the father creates a pretty horrendous incentive structure where baby-trapping is incentivised, since that system allows such women to benefit from it. The net result might in fact be more children born in such a dysfunctional situation and raised by fucked-up women, and that seems like a rather anti-utilitarian outcome one would want to discourage.
I think most people would find the idea that a woman who's had a child due to holes being poked in a condom should not be able to avail herself of safe haven abandonment or put the child up for adoption (for the ostensible benefit of the kid) not very pleasing. Granted, she could've taken a morning after pill or birth control to mitigate her risk, but she relied on the biological father's representations. Though I will say that the argument for that prohibition is stronger given that the woman in question had options like abortion once she realised she was pregnant, and thus actually had to decline to take steps to terminate the pregnancy before a child was produced.
Of course, safe haven abandonment, adoption etc is allowed for women due to their default custody of out-of-wedlock children, even in situations where the woman in question was being exceptionally irresponsible, whereas legal paternal surrender is not often considered legally or socially permissible even under circumstances of coercion or misrepresentation.
self_made_human
Grippy socks, grippy box
6hr ago
He's got fuck-you money, I've got a 9-5 and writing as a hobby. He's doing it better. At this point, he definitely can be indulged if he wants to flame out and make his own Megalopolis, Avatar had mass appeal.
Amadan
Enjoying my short-lived victory
6hr ago
I was talking about not despising them for being in the sex trade.
As for supporting a child you created, it's not about the woman who baby-trapped you. That sucks. But if there's a human being you created with your actions (and you chose to put your dick in her), I absolutely despise anyone who'd refuse to take responsibility for that and leave the child you created to poverty and probably being brought up in the same life, no matter how much you despise the mother.
Southkraut
The rain fell gentlier.
6hr ago
I will say this much - any suggestion for alternate societies that curtails productivity by banning useful tools will not be the one that is ultimately implemented and sustained. I think you can see quite obviously why rolling back the industrial revolution won't happen, and by the same token I claim that any further such "revolutions", be they carried by AI or by other means, will absolutely happen whether we like it or not, and we will adapt to any further alienation as well as we can because we must.
I'm not saying this is desirable, or that we will be happier for it. Very likely neither. I'm saying it's inevitable, in the long run.
ControlsFreak
7hr ago
The average man on the street
...is wrong about Constitutional stuff all the time.
it's basically like a navy or an army
...uh, which one? The Constitution gives different rules for them, so which set of rules apply?
Corporations develop them but states manage them. States don't like human cloning, it's banned. States want to keep nuclear technology secret, it's secret. The EU decides that we need to click through pop-ups about cookies, millions of man-hours are wasted... The US allocates GPU access around the world, there are tiers of who can and who cannot have them.
This doesn't sound like "management". It sounds like States ban stuff.
I think this is confusing what it means to be a Classical Liberal.
If there are problems with implementing and sustaining an ideology (and there are problems with all ideologies), surely that's relevant in discussing its merits?
Sure... but I think you've just mistaken what it is in starting this analysis.
ControlsFreak
7hr ago
There is significant interpretive difference between individual rights recognized in the Bill of Rights, due to the background of natural/retained rights tradition, as compared to enumerated, limited powers of government. In fact, much jurisprudence actually roots rights WRT television in the free speech clause. Whether or not that is accurate, and whether there should be more of a revival of the free press clause, is above my pay grade (though I have thoughts). But the entire interpretive framework is significantly different from the first step.
Now please answer the actual question? We have specific rules (that are different) for Armies and Navies. Which set of rules applies to the Air Force?
A proposed amendment could even use more generic language
How would that work? Remember, your idea doesn't go by wording
Hold up. The words you choose for your Constitution do matter.
if the air force were called a Flying Navy that wouldn't make a difference.
This is an after-the-fact naming convention, trying to shoehorn something into the Constitution that isn't there. You can just use different, possibly more general, wording in your Constitution. How general you actually choose to be is a difficult question, but you can obviously do it.
Let me see if I understand your logic. You're telling him to knowingly and intentionally abandon a woman and his potential child, and the proof that he's a better person is that he'll feel a little bad about it afterward? That's not character growth - that's learning how to rationalize being a selfish coward. Bah was considering sacrificing his entire life to do what he thinks is right. You don't even care if it's a scam or not you're telling him to sacrifice his integrity to protect his comfort, and then pat himself on the back for it!
The ironic part is that he would only be a douchebag if he followed your advice. You act as though he treated her like a third world pump and dump, but he is in love with her! He met her family, spent his time with her, sent her money for an abortion - because he's smitten. And you tell him, assuming it's real, that instead of taking personal responsibility for his actions, he should run and leave his own kid being raised by a sex worker in the third world? And for little more than the negative opinions of others? And then cap it off with a rant about how she needs to take responsibility for her actions?
I might think Bah is a naive lovefool, but I at least admire his commitment to his responsibilities, scam or not. I think you are a douchebag.
Edit - Bah replied while I was writing this saying he isn't in love with her and the problem is solved, but since your advice assumed he was too, I'll leave this comment as is.
orthoxerox
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7hr ago
Have you ever made useful things with your own hands? Or ran your own small business?
There's a blog I read that posts interviews with small and medium business owners: how they started out, what their challenges were and are, what their business model looks like. There's a common theme running through all of them: they could all earn more working for hire, but instead they stubbornly cling to their businesses. "It's good to be your own boss, no one will block you from working overtime or skipping vacation" is the typical joke.
My assumption is that they all are especially sensitive to alienation.
mrvanillasky
Indo Aryan Thot Leader
8hr ago
Green, the chicken took a while to cook. I bought red paste, will try it this weekend.
madeofmeat
8hr ago
Think about living in a small village community where you're a skilled artisan of some sort. You feel confident in your work which you do autonomously under your own judgment, get pleasure from your mastery of it, and can immediately see how the results of your work benefit yourself and those around you. You're a known and valued member of your community and you have deep and long-lasting personal and professional ties to those around you. Alienation is the opposite of that.
BahRamYou
8hr ago
and consider why she'd be sending you proof that she aborted?
because she's not an idiot, she's also aware of how scammy this seems but she still felt it important to tell me.
Anyway yeah, problem solved I guess. I like this woman but I'm not at all in love with her like how the people here seem to think, just trying to avoid being a total scumbag. But it seems to have all worked out so... hooray!
Corvos
8hr ago
A statistically even worse method of birth control. Recommending this is 100% colored by ideological bias.
You are conflating two things:
- Not having sex is a 100% effective way of not having children.
- Telling your kids not to have sex has much lower efficacy, modulo the personality of the kid and the relationship with the parents.
Most of the suggesters likely have confidence in the method (as they should) and in their kids (rightly or wrongly) and therefore suggest this method.
MadMonzer
Pedo! Pedo! Pedo! Out! Out! Out!
8hr ago
Slavery was universal in the ancient world, and in some form (state slavery, chattel slavery, serfdom/peonage) right up until shortly after the Industrial Revolution.
Chattel slavery was illegal in Christian Europe by the High Middle Ages. (This ban never extended to overseas possessions). Serfdom was abolished in the vast majority of France by 1318, and de facto in England by 1500. Serfdom also appears to be the exception rather than the rule in Northern Italy.
Western Europe produces a distinctive civilisation long before that civilisation industrialises.
Why are you assuming that he 've had a uniquely bad experience? I'm not from the US but to me what he's describing seem to be the usual consequences of Mexican or Central American underclass immigrants forming criminal gangs in a town/city where their numbers reach a critical mass. I don't assume that is a unique development, especially not in Virginia which probably attracts a disproportionate number of immigrants due to the vicinity of the Beltway region.
CertainlyWorse
No one is coming. It's just you.
8hr ago
I wonder what this means for men in their social experiences with other men.
Does it mean that with a flatter curve you don't know what sort of personality you're going to bump into? While women bump into 'another basic bae'?
10/10 rant, and I agree with most of it. Only minor quibble is that I believe that the mind uploads were brand new technology developed in between the two movies. As I described in my essay, its existence makes the hunting of sentient whales even more of a questionable value add.
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