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self_made_human
Grippy socks, grippy box
10hr ago
There are about a hundred chapters of Reverend Insanity left. A man could weep.
Once it's done, I have a copy of Mid World sitting in my epub reader. A gentleman on /r/scifi told me that there was a non-zero chance that some of the theories I'd floated about how Pandora (from Avatar) was artificial might have even been intended. He claimed that Cameron had mentioned taking inspiration from that novel. The obvious similarities are that a group of humans visit an alien world covered in jungles, but this planet makes Pandora look like an actual theme park, no PG-13 deaths if you piss off the local wildlife I'm afraid.
It seems interesting enough, and I feel like I've exhausted the well of science fiction I'm inclined to read, so there's no harm in giving it a go.
self_made_human
Grippy socks, grippy box
10hr ago
I think 2013 is a fair shout in my case, that was probably when I was in high school and accidentally stumbled onto LW or SSC. Can't recall which one came first, but the other must have followed shortly thereafter.
I imagine my initial encounter with The Motte would have been after 2015, since I don't seem to recall engaging in the Culture War threads on the SSC subreddit. I'm confident that I was a regular participant by 2017 when I was a few years into med school.
The greatest melancholy I feel is when I see the upvote or comment counts in the old CWR threads: you can tell we had a lot more people around. To this day, I'm not sure if the migration off of Reddit was entirely warranted, or if we could have managed to avoid the gaze of the Reddit Admins till the political climate changed. While the Motte is definitely in a healthy state, and the fears that we'd collapse to an unsustainably low population didn't materialize, Reddit did make it easier. We had plenty of people stumble across us following a link, or by checking someone's profile.
FistfullOfCrows
11hr ago
The roofing guys are insane, I've seen a roofer dismantle and rebuild a wooden rooftop freehand just balancing on a wall walking around with NO harness or anything, they seemed to just not care.
Southkraut
The rain fell gentlier.
11hr ago
Yes.
Governments, or states, are superorganisms that wish to grow. Always. There is never a state that moves to curtail or even reduce its power. Some are perhaps more aggressively expansionist (vertically moreso than horizontally, nowadays) than others, but there isn't a single one that exists to shrink. Any that did would create a power vacuum and quickly find itself replaced by another that had no qualms about expansion. We humans are simply the substrate on which these organisms grow, and what we believe or pretend to believe matters to the states only in so far as it helps or hinders their drive for greater reach and power. Wokism is an attractive belief system for states to support on multiple axes: Firstly it is popular, and so it is easy to get humans on board with your agenda by claiming that you, that state, are the enforcement mechanism for that belief system. Secondly its goals align decently with that of the state, there is nothing in there that demands limits to the state's reach and power (as you would find in libertarianism or luddism, or power-sharing arrangements like with the catholic church in the middle ages), there is much in there that synergizes with greater state reach and power (the ability to control the thoughts and actions of others), and it isn't outright self-destructive to the state (like fascism and communism ended up being).
Which isn't to say that states wouldn't expand as much as they can if only it weren't for those dan SJWs. States always expand as far and as fast as they can. Always have, always will, and any deviation form that is an anomaly that is quickly scrubbed out by the arch of history bending towards ever greater superorganisms. PC / Wokism / SJWs / Leftism are simply the latest method or technique for keeping the substrate in line with the bigger organism's agenda.
faul_sname
Fuck around once, find out once. Do it again, now it's science.
11hr ago
Since 2011 or so. Someone linked a LW post in (IIRC) a thread on the xkcd forums I was reading, and I rabbit-holed.
I wouldn't be surprised if we have some people on here who were on the original extropians mailing list though.
ResoluteRaven
12hr ago
About 11 years, after following a link to SSC from some other blog, though I wasn't aware of the culture war thread until the move to /r/theMotte.
TowardsPanna
12hr ago
Anyone else feel there's a connection between the amount of PC/wokeism in a country and their susceptibility to increased government overreach?
Kinda getting that suspicion about the UK and Australia, who both bend over to the progressives and already police themselves and their thoughts, and their implementation of "age verification" for internet usage. It's a blatant power grab, adding even more surveillance and control from the state.
Though, yes, you can probably point to all sorts of countries that have zero wokeism and also are dictatorial police states. But I don't think that disproves the connection, if there is one.
Tetridict
12hr ago
I read Enemies and Neighbours by Ian Black last year and found it expansive and informative. A mild pro-Palestinian bias becomes more apparent towards the end of the book, and the fact it only goes up to 2017 (when it was published) means it is now 8 years out of date, are drawbacks but I found it to be an engaging, relatively balanced and detailed account of how modern Gaza became the mess it is now.
VoxelVexillologist
Multidimensional Radical Centrist
13hr ago
Just finished Spring Snow. I'd seen it recommended a few different places (maybe here, maybe HN). I've never been a weeb, but I've visited Japan -- it's a beautiful and very interesting country -- and I can appreciate why Mishima is seen as such a prominent Japanese writer of the 20th century. Some of the vibe was to be expected, like the very Japanese aesthetics, and the tension between Japanese traditions and incoming Western norms during the Meiji era.
That said, I was intrigued at the following author blurb at the back of the book:
In 1970, at the age of forty-five and the day after completing the last novel in the Fertility series, Mishima committed seppuku (ritual suicide) -- a spectacular death that attracted worldwide attention.
I felt I had to read a bit more to understand this. Wikipedia tells the story slightly differently:
[Mishima] was a Japanese author, poet, playwright, actor, model, Shintoist, ultranationalist, and the leader of an attempted coup d'état that culminated in his seppuku (ritual suicide).
Well, that escalated quickly. Having read that article, it's interesting to see how story beats from the author's life: "After briefly considering marriage with Michiko Shōda, who later married Crown Prince Akihito and became Empress Michiko" sounds a lot like the story of the novel.
Looking for something shorter and more sci-fi, I've picked up Asimov's The End of Eternity, which I think someone recommended a while back. I might consider continuing the Fertility series at some point, though.
Lizzardspawn
13hr ago
Do you think that if Mamdani's supporters or detractors miss the chance to nickname him MadMani will be one of the greatest missed puns?
philosoraptor
13hr ago
Flip 1 and 2, and reverse the order of 4-6 (for one thing the whole structure surely pushes against individualism), and you might have the beginnings of something. But your #2 is clearly #1 and it's not close.
It could be explained idealogically, but there's a simpler answer that also explains "why did Mississippi fail so hard for so long then?" and "why is Mississippi the standout and not all the red states?"
That explanation is human nature. It's the idea trap
People don't like change so they're opposed to mixing things up even if it's better. People don't like to admit they made a mistake, so they keep treading down the same path out of denial. These changes were largely pushed by Carey Wright, an educator and superintendent with little connection to the terrible education decisions made by her state level predecessors. Mississippi has been bad for so long that many of the original people who made it bad don't have much influence anymore and this allows more political pressure to try something else without tons of people in power having to swallow their pride. The main meat of Mississippi's reputation comes from the late 20th century, some of the issues as far back as the 70s!
Some of the states like California are now stuck here. Superintendents, principals and education heads who simply can not admit they made a major mistake. They all huddle together unable to swallow their pride, convinced that it must not have been a mistake at all then and something else must be going on.
It's why you see things like, antivax parents whose kids die of preventable diseases doubling down in the community. One way says "oh god I killed my kid" placing a lot of moral shame and guilt on them, the other way says "I did nothing wrong", and people pick the latter. An abuse victim often goes further into the relationship. Many of the UFO believers double down when the prophecy doesn't happen. It's a hit to our ego to admit fault, especially mistakes that can't be rectified.
Many of those with the highest levels of belief, commitment and social support became more committed to their beliefs, began to court publicity in a way they had not before, and developed various rationalizations for the absence of the flood.
Southkraut
The rain fell gentlier.
13hr ago
Is there even still any ongoing technical development of the Motte?
Earendil
But on him mighty doom was laid
13hr ago
Since 2019 January, I found Scot via econlib which I found when I was trying to see if there even was a thing as a Marxist economist, Scott was the only smart anti sjw dude I found and got myself in these spaces.
I saw themotte due to reddit, I posted on the slatestarcodex and themotte reddit about my adhd as I was depressed since I was months away from beginning college.
Themotte was the first community where everyone was extremely helpful and not cynical. Intelligence is a major factor, yet you can see plenty of communities that are not healthy despite being very smart. Slatestarcodex and lesswrong have had very smart user bases, I never could quite fit in either since the AI stuff always seemed silly and I never got the extreme dependence on studies, stats, soyience.
My comment history is very pro science, I'm ultimately someone who believes in spiritual teachings, we can never prove them. Though my earliest contentions were the two places I listed being way too nerdy. One user who I befriended and learnt a lot from was unearnedgravitas who told me that there are no atheists in foxholes.
Rationalist adjacent circles have smart people, they're also well adjusted as opposed to anyone who is an out and out rat. My single worst irl interaction was with a guy who wouldn't stop quoting Scott Alexander and Yud, I like some of their articles too but man get a grip.
What really got me about slatestarcodex was not Scott, it was the people in the comments. It seems my introduction was not the most common path according to the stories here.
pigeonburger
14hr ago
I find it useful to practice languages. I used to speak spanish but lack of usage means I'm not confident enough to speak it now, but LLMs are infinitely patient conversation partners that will not overly correct me (and shoot my confidence) during the conversation, but can afterwards give me pointers.
MachineElfPaladin
14hr ago
I was just using it because you'd brought up "why not pick 4" - and, as demonstrated it's perfectly valid to pick 4! It would work fine. It's just that multiplying and dividing by 2 is usually easier for people, so that's what erwgv used.
thrownaway24e89172
Death is the inevitable and only true freedom
14hr ago
I've seen people of both sexes put up with shit I really wouldn't have; being down bad is quite the drug.
Unfortunately so are low self-esteem ("this is the best I could ever hope for") and self-harm ("I deserve this abuse"), particularly in people who don't show it publicly.
SubstantialFrivolity
I'm not even supposed to be here today
14hr ago
Thanks! I'll have to look into those other books once I finish the current one.
ace
15hr ago
17 years. Summer and fall of 2008, I was searching for explanations of quantum mechanics because the textbook and everyone else's explanations were so goddamn confused, incomplete, and self-contradictory. Found Big-Yud's Quantum Physics sequence, which felt like the first time finding someone who had sane, coherent opinions on the matter. From there an easy step to the rest of the sequences, LW, and SSC.
DuplexFields
Ask me how the FairTax proposal works. All four Political Compass quadrants should love it.
15hr ago
Whoops. Comment updated.
Magusoflight
15hr ago
I've never felt unable to identify what emotion I was feeling; I do it easily and often!
Then you must be wrong that you don’t get a physical sensation. You aren’t a machine that can reduce emotions to thoughts. Thoughts aren’t emotions, and according to a lot of neurophysiological literature, emotions are primary and thoughts are secondary processes. You are picking up on a cue somewhere in yourself, but maybe you don’t understand what physical sensations it is you’re picking up on. Now, are thoughts connected to emotions? Yes in the same way behaviours are. But you wouldn’t mistake crying for sadness, because someone could be pretending to cry, or crying from happiness or laughter. A negative thought can induce a sad feeling, and a sad feeling can induce a negative thought, but you must lack a certain psychological mindedness to therefore mistake thoughts for feelings
Magusoflight
15hr ago
I agree we over accommodate people with learning issues or whatnot, but it probably is to some extent bad for you to not be able to identify what emotion your “feeling”. Alexithymia is a useful word for a kind of state, but maybe I’m misinterpreting what they mean by “feeling with thoughts”
Dean
Flairless
16hr ago
Ruinous! Posting functions should trend towards forgiving so as to encourage contribution from would-be or marginal posters. Locking people into mistakes that demand more clarifications might be tedious.
Or locking people into bad temper posting which runs afoul the rules, but which they might think better of after seeing it posted.
Read SSC back in the late 2010s. Not sure how I got there. Then I think I found the Motte when Scott posted his Culture-War-Postmortem. That would be it, pretty much.
FWIW, I never paid attention to the SSC comment section. A comment section! That woulf have sounded unserious to me.
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