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self_made_human
Kai su, teknon?
17m ago
If they're Buddhist, they're usually not that beholden to prohibitions on beef, but otherwise, they fall in with the other Hindus from down south in India who do partake in it. Those are Tamil Hindus, and even some of the Brahmins eat it.
Mottizen
21m ago
I've seen Tamil Sri Lankan restaurants with beef on the menu, is this typical or just random emigrant change?
SkoomaDentist
30m ago
So basically what you're saying is that as long as Biden doesn't invade Italy or try to appoint bishops, he's going to be fine.
FiveHourMarathon
The Gun Would Go Off
33m ago
This might be the geographical variation you referred to, or it might be a difference in definition or emphasis on the tribal concept.
In my mind, the Blue Tribe/Red Tribe split is meant to encompass the vast majority of white Americans (non-Whites have different dynamics, though may be in alliance with Red/Blue whites in different cases). Of course there are geographies and professions where one side has a vast preponderance and the other is rare as hen's teeth. But a huge percentage of the white American population lives in between, neither in Manhattan nor the Yellowstone ranch, in suburbs and small cities. Their attitude toward that liminal location, whether they want it to be more like Manhattan or more like Yellowstone, tells you more about the attitudes of tribesmen than their actions, which are mostly pretty similar. The core red triber isn't a quiverfull oilfield welder who goes to church every Sunday, and the core Blue Triber doesn't have a masters in Gender Studies they use at their email job. Those are extremes, the tiny outer percentages of the population. Rather, distinguishing Red/Blue is about how two sets of suburban parents conceptualize how to teach morality to their 2.5 kids, how they go about lying to their parents about whether they're going to church every Sunday, etc.
This might be geographically personal. I live at the rural exurb edge of the I-95 megalopolis, the last highway exit on the East Coast. Drive west from my house for ten minutes and you see nothing but farms, red tribe country, until you hit Pittsburgh. Drive east or south from my house and in two to three hours you can be in the middle of any of four major cities. I live in that liminal space, where every house on the block might vote differently, and I conceptualize its importance. The keystone, the swing vote, the tipping point. Lose the suburbs, electorally and culturally, and Red Tribe is dead. Win them, and as Hunter S. Thompson said about the 60s, the great wave from the coast will break and roll back from that high water mark.
orthoxerox
I realized I can change my flair color to Barbie pink
1hr ago
This video is probably the funniest I've watched this year or last year.
Lizzardspawn
1hr ago
Latin America continues to mostly think Communism is a great idea, no matter how often it screws things up.
Well Munro doctrine has its second order effects.
orthoxerox
I realized I can change my flair color to Barbie pink
1hr ago
I don't think his cognition was literally zero-sum. It's more of a marginal utility question. If spending X additional mental effort on social graces provides you with M utilons and spending it on thinking about math provides you with N utilons with M << N because people are willing to put up with your eccentricity, then even if you have virtually boundless mental effort it makes sense to spend it all on thinking about math.
He basically spent enough of his cognition on social graces to graduate from "insane" to "eccentric" and then considered the problem solved.
hydroacetylene
1hr ago
I was writing that description for, specifically, a younger crowd, because that seemed like what the normie blue tribe description was aiming at. And IME for male red tribers likelihood of getting the Covid vaccine is straightforwardly correlated with age(although keeping up with boosters is just not a red tribe thing- or seemingly a mainstream blue thing).
I do think you’re understating the differences in behavior a bit. Hlynka did marry the girl he knocked up; most motteizeans would have settled for uneven custody and child support payments. Suburban subdivisions generally do literally get more red the farther out you go, functionally every white person in a church on an average Sunday is red tribe, and the core red tribe has a substantial fertility advantage.
self_made_human
Kai su, teknon?
1hr ago
In terms of what's usually consumed? Yes. But they do eat plain old beef, from cows.
Lizzardspawn
1hr ago
Isn't it mostly buffalo meat though?
stuckinbathroom
1hr ago
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MadMonzer
Temporarily embarrassed liberal elite
1hr ago
But they did excommunicate the SSPX leadership after the Econe consecrations - schismatic consecrations are still one of the reliable ways of getting excommunicated - or technically given the law around latae sententiae, of excommunicating yourself in a way the Vatican will wish to publicise.
You will notice that most of the historical exommunications I mentioned didn't succeed in crushing anyone - the practice of unrepentant excommunicants thumbing their nose at the Papacy is as old as the practice of excommunicating people.
orthoxerox
I realized I can change my flair color to Barbie pink
1hr ago
The Papacy couldn't even crush SSPX in 1988.
Primaprimaprima
Bigfoot is an interdimensional being
1hr ago
Keeping humans in the loop puts pressure on the processes to be more legible and comprehensible. If you dump everything into an inscrutable ML model, then the danger is that people will simply offload their thinking to the model and take its word as law. When your account gets banned at youtube, no one can actually say why (except in high profile cases) - it’s just, “The Algorithm said so, and we trust The Algorithm”. I don’t want society to work that way. I want there to be a person who has to take responsibility for the decision, and who can explain their reasoning. No hiding behind a binary blob of trillions of parameters.
Of course, humans can build labyrinthian inscrutable bureaucracies too. And humans can be outright evil. But I’d still rather take my chances with humans. Unlike AI, they have skin in the game - they are conscious entities, they have desires and fears. They can be persuaded or bribed, they are subject to political and social pressures, they will grant exceptions under the right circumstances. These are not aberrant modes of operation - they are necessary to the functioning of a humane society.
FiveHourMarathon
The Gun Would Go Off
2hr ago
I have no idea how indoor rock climbing became the quintessential sport/activity among yuppie tech workers.
I used to manage a rock climbing gym, and I'm now a yuppie, so...
The thing about Rock Climbing that makes it so popular is that the part that makes climbing a route cool to normies is separate from the part that makes it technically cool to insiders.
When I tell people I climb, they ask things like "How high do you go? Do you go all the way to the top? Do you climb outside?" That's what people get excited about, or maybe free solo shit or overhangs and dynos if they're watching. They don't really care about route grading, just doesn't enter their head, luckily because once stats enter the mainstream they tend to get lied on so often they become useless.
There are 80-ft outdoor toprope routes around me that are beginner grade nonsense, I could take any reasonably athletic mottizen there next weekend and coach them through it. But your average normie is going to be more impressed by that video on Insta, than they would by me finishing the V6 benchmark project I've been working on for the Moonboard for months, despite the latter being vastly harder and rarer.
So the first day you show up at an indoor gym, you do what the general public perceives as just about the coolest thing there: you climb up a big wall on top rope, all the way to the top. Any decent gym has a route for beginners on a big wall, I would always make sure our route setters kept something easy on the tallest wall in the gym for that exact reason. After that, it's all progress, and it's a sport-hobby you can whittle away at infinitely.
Compare the classic ne plus ultra of yuppie sports: distance running. When I ran the marathon that gave me my username, I didn't train for it at all, it was on a bet (with another rock climber, coincidentally). Why did I casually stroll 26.2 miles and not 20 or 25? Because finishing a marathon has a cache to it, and the part normies ask about is finishing the marathon. The cool part of endurance running is the endurance, not the running. Only those who are into marathons care about your time, most people just think it is cool that you did it. So no matter how good you are at distance running, if you finished, you did the cool part. It's not really any cooler, in normal conversation, to brag about your three hour marathon than it is to say "I ran a marathon."
Similarly, going rock climbing is cool because you went, not because you climbed 5.12. This makes it popular among the casual, because the part they brag about isn't hard. Post a picture of you climbing on instagram, nobody is looking at the holds and saying it looks juggy except serious climbers, most people just notice how high you are off the ground.
I also like rock climbing personally, and think it is popular, because as a workout it will actually naturally build the body most people want: lean, muscular, upper body focused. MyFitnessPal logs an hour of rock climbing as some absurd number like 950 calories burned, and my forearms and biceps are tough to fit into shirts after I got into climbing.
MadMonzer
Temporarily embarrassed liberal elite
2hr ago
This is a recent pussification of the Church. The last Head of State to be excommunicated was Tito in 1946 (for ordering the show trial of a Catholic bishop) and the previous one was King Victor Emmanuel II of Italy in 1870 for invading Rome.
The last time "arguably the world's most powerful Catholic" was excommunicated was Napoleon in 1809 (also for invading Italy).
In the Middle Ages royal excommunications were commonplace, but if the criterion of "arguably the world's most powerful Catholic" is used then we have Holy Roman Emperors Otto IV in 1210 (invading Italy again), Frederick II (three times: for promising to go on Crusade and not doing so, for invading Italy, and for obstructing the Pope's attempt to lead Christian Europe's response to the Mongols), and Henry IV and Henry V (multiple times over the Investiture Controversy - in effect for claiming the authority to appoint bishops in the Holy Roman Empire in place of the Pope).
Is not vaccinated and opinions of the covid response run along the spectrum from 'hysterical, neurotic, and possibly psychotic in the clinical sense' to 'actually evil'.
I agree with most of this, but statistics get in the way of the not-vaccinated: better than 80% of American adults have received at least one dose of the vaccine. A large number of the remainder aren't doing so for red tribe political reasons, ranging from "woo woo crap" (my old yoga teacher Fawn), to simple irresponsibility and failure to schedule it. If the entire Red Tribe didn't get vaccinated, it's way smaller than I think.
Rather, a huge number of Red Tribe Americans, got the vaccine initially, and vaguely regret it.
Indeed, I think regret is a good way to identify tribal affiliation in general. What one regrets not doing, and what one is proud of and billboards having done, is a good dividing line.
Red Tribers who served in the military never shut the fuck up about it. See eg, our dear departed Hlynka, subject to the joke from multiple users: "How do you know Hlynka served in the military? Don't worry, he'll tell you." Red Tribers who didn't serve in the military vaguely regret that they didn't, consider it a hole in their life story, and as a result would find that joke vaguely offensive. Blue Tribe PMC who served in the military only mention it if sat down and quizzed about their life story, and skate over it. Blue Tribe normies who didn't serve in the military are just kinda uncomfortable when anyone talks about it, in the same way that one is uncomfortable when somebody voices political or religious opinions that you disagree with.
Red Tribers who hunt never shut the fuck up about it, they build their whole year around hunting for months. Red Tribers who don't hunt vaguely wish they did, and think killing one's own meat is a good thing even if they never get around to it. Blue Tribers who hunt just treat it as a vacation, go somewhere for a week, and eat venison. They never mention it, for fear of getting PETA'd in their friend group.
Living in the same suburban subdivision, Red Tribers will regret not living further out in the country, and claim that the suburb they live in is a "real American small town" or cosplay that their 1.5 acre plot is their "land" like they live in the country. Blue Tribe neighbors across the street will pretend they live in the city, emphasizing that it's only an hour (and a half) to [city] where there's good theater or whatever, and we go there ALL THE TIME it's practically like we live in the city, or that it's getting more diverse, or that there's a lot of great ethnic restaurants if you really look, or...
Red Tribers drive, or wish they drove, a pickup truck. If they drive a Crew Cab 1500, or worse a compact like a Maverick or a Ridgeline, they wish it was a 2500 and make it up to look like one. If they don't drive a pickup, they tart up their SUV to pretend it is a truck. See eg my buddy that bought a Ford Escape and instantly went out and bought a Harbor Freight winch for it, "in case I need to pull people out of a ditch in the winter, I just think if your truck can have a winch it should have a winch..." A Blue Triber who drives that same SUV will pretend it's just the most practical efficient car for them, but they vaguely wish it wasn't so inefficient. A Blue Triber driving a Crew Cab Pickup will constantly try to justify it with vague allusions to outdoor hobbies.
On the same vacation to a resort in Mexico, a blue triber will trip over himself to talk about how authentic it was and the culture and how much he learned and how much he interacted with the natives (waiters). A red triber will talk about how nice the place was and how he drank a lot and it was great because the waiters would bring you tons of drinks right to the pool. Nevertheless, the red triber is more likely to actually have made friends with the staff.
Harlequin5942
2hr ago
But surprisingly enough, there are Hindus who consume beef. More commonly in Southern India.
I didn't know that. Goes to show that there are no true universal generalisations about Hindus, including this one.
KingOfTheBailey
2hr ago
Can you link the speech?
ControlsFreak
2hr ago
Without having thought about it super long, like letting myself gradually pick up examples over weeks/months, I can only think of a couple areas that have been able to resist a collapsing of disparate treatment and disparate impact. Credit scores and, currently hanging by a 6-3 thread, gerrymandering.
For gerrymandering, sigh. Honestly, it might just be that the Court is tired of these cases. They get stuck dealing with them over and over again, unlike most of the areas where the disparate treatment/impact distinction is collapsed.
For credit scoring, I think it's that there is soooo much money on the line from politically-powerful interests, plus a little historical "we've been using this for so long" factor. Would credit scoring have to fall under a strict interpretation of how these concepts work according to a radical (or even the otherwise dominant party line)? I think absolutely. Is the reason why it's been able to persist that you can get a human on the stand and ask about intent, animus, whatever? Not at all. Credit scores are an algorithm. An impersonal, just simple math, algorithm, with data in that may be subject to all the complaints people want to have about, "But if your data in is biased by a white supremacist patriarchy, then of course your algorithm is going to have racist and sexist disparate impact." Note that this Colorado law calls out that they're interested in:
THE DATA GOVERNANCE MEASURES USED TO COVER THE TRAINING DATASETS AND THE MEASURES USED TO EXAMINE THE SUITABILITY OF DATA SOURCES, POSSIBLE BIASES, AND APPROPRIATE MITIGATION
No, the reason credit scores are still allowed is because too many connected people would stand to lose too much money if we let the collapse of disparate treatment/impact culminate entirely in the way that it seems to be going in nearly every other domain.
AI companies should be afraid of causing disparate treatment. It’s wrong, even when it makes more money. But an unregulated market doesn’t have much reason to care about right or wrong. Until we find a better way to draw the line, disparate impact is going to remain useful.
Modern AI tools have been compared to magic oracles, we ask it a question and it synthesizes vast amounts of information to give us an answer.
What this regulation will achieve isn't restricting the AI from having a disparate impact, it is restricting the AI from synthesizing that information and then telling the truth. Certain categories of question are impossible to ask, or impossible to get a correct answer about, without risking disparate impact.
Consider: take /r/rateme and turn it into a prediction algorithm. Go through the thousands upon thousands of posts and figure out how to spit out an approximation of how Reddit would rate your pictures, without posting your pictures to Reddit. Useful tool, now instead of embarrassing myself asking a bunch of strangers to rate my pictures, I can just do a couple clicks on an online tool and it will spit out what Reddit would have told me anyway. Advances for privacy! I can run the test iteratively, and use different pictures for an online dating profile, or even different haircuts or physique choices edited in, based on the output, and figure out how to make myself more attractive.
But, such an algo would either instantly cross the line of acceptability, or it would need to be dishonest. Because it can't give black people lower ratings, it can't give Asian women higher ratings and Asian men lower ratings, it can't give trans people lower ratings. It's not even clear, based on the angles used to wedge queers into civil rights law intended to protect women, that it can ding effeminate men or butch women. It can't ding you for wearing a yarmulke, even though I can guarantee you that wearing a yarmulke will lower your dating odds. It would be impossible to create such an oracle and not have a disparate impact. So, we've created a tool to grow our knowledge, but that field is permanently restricted, some areas of knowledge must remain unknowable under Colorado law.
cae_jones
3hr ago
My original proposal was to give money to people who work 30 hours a week and get paid less than $30/hour. Because if we're doing payouts to random people, actual workers should get it, not people who took out ill-advised student loans and may often be quite privileged.
Umm. Unless that 30h/week is the maximum, I fall into both groups. And while my home is ... unflattering, I do own it and the land its on, which makes my <$14/h paycheck go pretty far.
Biden already refunded most of my college debt in the first round, which ... made me kinda uncomfortable. As much as I'd like a raise, and maybe a big pile of money to fund personal projects, something about getting pander cash handouts from both parties ... makes me want to quote HPMoR Quirrell's reply to Hermione when she told him he was evil. I think something that ends in me wanting to quote Voldemort says something about either myself or the scenario; I'm just not sure which.
OK, OK, so I'm going to try and rationalize all this pandercash on the grounds that I'm probably going to be trying to recruit blind people for accessible gamedev work, so much of it will get redistributed to blind people with less economic power than me. ... Still feels sketchy.
RenOS
Dadder than dad
4hr ago
Oh, that's easy: As long as you have an okay baseline of fitness, it's the absolute perfect casual social sport. If you're a beginner, you can go for easy routes and get help from the more experienced (and vice versa if you're experienced). If you're competitive, you choose hard route and repeatedly do it in a rotation with a similarly competitive friend. If you're a talker, you just do a minimum amount of climbing and otherwise watch the others and talk with the ones currently on a break. If you're a nerd, you choose a weird-looking route and theorize on how it ought to be done. And the best part, all these people can go together simultaneously without being in each others way.
Now compare soccer. I like it as well, but it generally goes best with a fixed group of friends on a similar level of fitness, experience and inclination. It's better for closer bonding, but for a casual round it happens too easy that somebody feels like they aren't fitting in.
self_made_human
Kai su, teknon?
4hr ago
Maybe I'm sleep deprived on duty because I took you seriously for a moment and was going to go on a diatribe about that lol.
But surprisingly enough, there are Hindus who consume beef. More commonly in Southern India.
A decentralized exchange is relatively low-trust since you just use it to convert and don't deposit. Uniswap the most popular example.
How would physical cash not assist? Likely easier to slowly convert that into your preferred currency than raw BTC
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