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Mihow
Lipstick on a guitar
7m ago
My probably annoying way of talking about myself and a group of people I tangentially relate to
Like, I’m with the OP making light of religion - but it doesn’t mean I find him funny or correct
The second one being a colloquial of people who grew up in the 90’s
Mihow
Lipstick on a guitar
9m ago
Everyone wants a Coke
I feel like the line is between the West and China about how to get there and if I had to pick which way to lean, it’s on the trans non binary future side
Yea - the church will succumb one day
Mihow
Lipstick on a guitar
10m ago
That’s fair
Finding contradictions in religion is said 12-23 year old atheist phase imo
And like you wrote, made worse when it’s not even correct
Bartender_Venator
16m ago
"Why in Lenin's name is the General Secretary suddenly running the Politburo?!"
HereAndGone
17m ago
HereAndGone
20m ago
Yeah. Often what happened with accused priests was that before they were officially defrocked, they were sent to live in a religious community where they could be monitored. This particular one happened to be in range of a school. Not the best choice, but choices are going to be limited about "we need to send this guy somewhere and there aren't a lot of places we can do that".
If I'm getting it right, the accused priest wasn't an Augustinian, so probably one of the secular clergy in the diocese. Doubtless the facts will come out in time, but the damage has already been done.
Tenaz
20m ago
Yeah, I guess it is.
I don't really find the comparison offensive in a vacuum. Astronauts are cool. I've heard some Christians describe God as the ultimate scientist, one who invented the laws of physics according to his ultimate intelligence and created the beauty of our natural world out of his own limitless imagination. I love that comparison and don't really consider astronauts any worse than scientists.
It's more the attitude of "we true Christians agree a God who exists in space couldn't possibly be a real God, hahaha" that is somewhat annoying. Nbd though
HereAndGone
22m ago
Gosh, somebody piped up to accuse him of mishandling sexual abuse allegations. I'm so surprised - not. There's a lot of people making a tidy living from being professional agitators about this, usually with an accompanying laundry list of "we demand zillions in payouts/also the Church must totally change every single bit of doctrine so the stuff we like isn't a sin and it becomes just like a mainline liberal Protestant denomination".
When there's real grievances, I'll listen. When it's "fifteen or so years ago, somebody said that there was something happened" not so much, because while there has been genuine horrific abuse, there has also been ambulance chasing lawyers and people looking to make hay out of it. "Oh did you know X is bad because whisper whisper?" Funny how these allegations all immediately popped up after the announcement but not in the days beforehand?
Your Italians are seething because an Italian didn't get selected.
urquan
I saw under the sun that in the place of justice, even there was wickedness.
29m ago
I'm not denying that our God can be characterized as an astronaut.
I realize you’re saying this because you find the comparison offensive, but this statement is pretty funny, outside of its context.
urquan
I saw under the sun that in the place of justice, even there was wickedness.
31m ago
If you’re interested in an Orthodox perspective that offers a grounded, non-triumphalist take on how the Orthodox view Papal primacy in the first millennium, I strongly recommend Laurent Cleenewerck’s His Broken Body. I recommend it both to Catholic and to Orthodox readers — he refuses to stump for either side, and deals frankly, and charitably, with the patristic evidence. He’s clearly someone for whom the schism is a wound, not an amputation.
Tenaz
31m ago
I'm not denying that our God can be characterized as an astronaut. He probably doesn't travel through space--some form of instant travel seems more likely--but he's been to space and other planets at some point, sure. I'd just prefer to avoid those dismissive terms.
Tenaz
38m ago
Well, far be it from me to egg you on. I'd much prefer a serious discussion of Christology to passing snipes, though.
VoxelVexillologist
Multidimensional Radical Centrist
41m ago
I didn't see his name on those lists in the media about Top Sixteen Picks For Pope, which doesn't surprise me.
Were Francis or Benedict on those lists? I may not be recalling well now, but I seem to recall "wait, who now?" as the response to some of the papal announcements in my lifetime despite lots of commentary on likely candidates.
Quantumfreakonomics
44m ago
A surprisingly large percentage of the population lives within shouting distance of an elementary school. Is the Catholic Church supposed to lock people in jail?
OracleOutlook
Fiat justitia ruat caelum
49m ago
The local prior, not the prior provincial (Prevost), accepted the request of the Archdiocese of Chicago.
I would say the stuff that happened in the Diocese of Chiclayo is stronger evidence of poor responses to sexual abuse.
HereAndGone
53m ago
I don't want to get any more insulting than I already have, and if I start seriously discussing Christology and the Mormon version thereof, I'm going to step over a line sooner or later. So I'm not trying to dodge you by not engaging, I'm trying to keep the heat level down.
HereAndGone
55m ago
I do not believe Mormons are evil, or insincere, but I do believe they are mistaken — and gravely so.
Which is what had me gritting my teeth about a Mormon blithely chiming in about the doctrinal inconsistency within Catholicism, but like I said, this kind of debate has all the potential to get very nasty very fast, so I should shut up now.
sun_the_second
56m ago
it's quite obvious that not all or even most previous wars were primarily or even significantly religiously motivated.
Neither were Hitler or Stalin motivated by rational progress, in fact they were known to stifle scientists who were politically incorrect ("Jewish science", lysenkoism).
Skibboleth
It's never 4D Chess
57m ago
Francis' critics and fans outside the Church both seem to have a wildly exaggerated idea of how progressive he was. He was more tolerant (and I use the word advisedly) on certain social issues and was a vocal proponent of the religious humanitarianism* that is pretty standard for the Catholic Church, but he was still fairly socially conservative. He might have be liberal for the pope, but that isn't saying much.
*which, granted, puts him at odds with the... lifeboat capitalism of the contemporary American conservative movement
HereAndGone
1hr ago
People who do have a notion of the history and theology are not the problem. People who pull the equivalent of "You know, whales are not fish, checkmate Christians!" are the problem (for a start, thinking this works on Catholics who just go "well yeah, and?" "but you guys believe the Bible is inerrant and divinely inscribed, don't you? but here it is being wrong on a scientific fact!" "let me put your straight on that")
That's where OP with the "this last pope changed a rule the pope before the pope before him set, guess that means the whole belief in God thing is a fraud" is the latter type. The new guy could make it a rule that "you know, you can wear navy to a funeral here, we don't mind" but he can't change "and for those of you who like to nibble on something sweet, the Communion wafer may be replaced by a chocolate chip cookie". There's a difference in degree and kind between the two.
AmericanSaxeCoburgGothic
Happy to be here! Goal is to post the most exclamation points.
1hr ago
By your wording trans non binary furies, is your conjecture that the Church is changing over time?
OracleOutlook
Fiat justitia ruat caelum
1hr ago
to me the overall thrust makes it pretty obvious that Rome is in the wrong.
Politically or theologically?
I would say desecrating the Eucharist in 1054 and killing/expelling/enslaving all Italian Catholics in 1182 are both examples of Constantinople being in the wrong politically first.
I can't say for certain if the Papal Legates were on their best behavior or not in Constantinople. It seems like there are many sources and sides to the story, all of them undoubtedly biased.
Fortunately, what I can say is none of that matters as far as whether one should be Catholic or Orthodox. The question of if I should be Catholic or Orthodox is a theological question. Is there theological basis for Roman Primacy? I believe the answer is "Yes." I believe that the answer has been yes, and was demonstrably so even before the Synod of Chalcedon.
I would love for us to heal the schism. From Rome's perspective I don't think there's anything we'd require the other side to change, just reconfirmation of Rome's primacy. We already have many Eastern Catholic Churches that have a multiplicity of different views and practices. We see the Orthodox as having valid Holy Orders and sacraments.
HereAndGone
1hr ago
On the one hand, yeah, the Church puts forth its opinions and does affect the secular world. So it does affect non-Catholics. On the other hand, people who have no intention whatsoever of stepping foot inside a church but want Catholicism to change to fit with Current Secular Thing (last time was gay, probably now is trans, next time furries? poly? who can say?) may express an opinion as to how if only, if only, this little teeny thing was different they would totally rush down for baptism tomorrow - and I can disbelieve them.
I can complain about the US President of the day, because he has outsize power on what affects my nation, but I don't get to tell Americans "well if you all just scrapped the way you do elections and do it by my preferred system, then I'd be ever so happy. No, I don't have a vote in American elections and don't live in America, but I should still be able to tell you to change to suit me".
Well, I feel confident they weren’t assigned e at birth.
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