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Totalitarianit
13m ago
He isn't suffering for merely being a leftist. He suffers for spreading blatantly false information and for being a leftist of the kind that relished in his culturally advantageous position and antagonized his political enemies for the past decade. The fact that a large media company is at least signaling an awareness of the problem likely means that other large companies will be signaling an awareness too. That will change the calculus.
A detail worth noting in the monologue in question, which I have no idea how much it mattered in the official machinery behind the scenes in this and which I'm reasonably certain will not matter in its narrative fallout, but which was the primary outrage driving the cancellation campaign:
"We hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them"
This was on Monday (Sept 15th), which was after the bullet engravings were public ("hey fascist! CATCH!") but before the chat transcripts in the indictment were public ("I had enough of his hatred").
thejdizzler
16m ago
I will definitely do this November/December this year when I am not training hard. It is helpful when training to have stuff tell me when to chill out and when I can put in work.
pigeonburger
17m ago
The viewership has decreased, but many people still find these shows to be a comfy way to unwind at the end of the day.
Ultimately, though, that is pretty much the reason why these hosts are being cancelled. It's become clear to top execs since last november that Trump's supporters, even if they can't see them in their filter bubbles, are real people that exist and are not consuming their product. Late Night shows are supposed to be comfy, to everyone. Sure, the efforts they had done to be fairer since the election, on their own, wouldn't be enough to bring back Republicans, not for a few years at least. But when these media execs see one of their star hosts saying very un-comfy things about half the country, what's going through their mind is probably some variation on "No fucking wonder they want nothing to do with us!"
anti_dan
18m ago
This whole thing seems semi-delusional in a delusions of grandeur sort of way. He has this whole theory of politics that elevates his quirky specialty to near-magical status, and then applies that theory is a way most flattering to his own political preferences. The right having a well funded and tightly organized right wing in 2011? Is he talking about Rush Limbaugh and Fox News? Two voices yelling into a hurricane of leftist media that was slowly ceding ground at the time to leftist social media?
Its all way too much and I don't find it accurate or prescient. Just kinda silly. It is after all basically the writings of a college professor in his elder years after several decades spent in a bubble of university leftism.
ccc
30m ago
Mother makes you feel safe, validates your feelings, takes care of your needs.
Father makes you feel weak, pushes you to become stronger, protects you from threats.
Neither are bad, both are required for a complete person. One could say that western culture has been overindexing on the motherly side lately. Personally I'd say both are lacking in the broader culture and so we have more broken people now than ever.
coffee_enjoyer
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32m ago
This is not a primary resource, but I found it informative for the things he did “offline”:
https://scholarstage.substack.com/p/bullets-and-ballots-the-legacy-of
Charlie Kirk was not just a piece of internet bombast; his main field of action, in fact, was not on the internet. Kirk was one of the most effective institution-builders and coalition-crafters in the United States. He was less an influencer than a power broker; everyone in MAGAland acknowledged the leadership role he played in building and holding together Trump’s coalition
TPUSA was a leadership incubator for a generation of conservative activists. His success with TPUSA made him a favorite of the Republican donor class. His show gave him a ready excuse to interview politicians, think tankers, and media personalities across the right. All of this gave Kirk an impeccable Rolodex—he had access to a vast network of conservatives who mattered and an unerring eye for up-and-comers who should matter. He was constantly connecting politicians with donors, statesmen with staffers, and media outfits with the next brilliant young producer or marketer. There are a good four dozen people in the Trump administration who owe their appointments to an introduction Kirk made on their behalf—and this was true not only of the Trump administration, but also across Congress, in state governments, and in news agencies like Fox News.
Iconochasm
2. Bootstrap the rest of the fucking omnipotence.
33m ago
I would take that bet and call it easy money. Brian Thompson was never the target of a proper Two Minutes Hate prior to his death. Kirk was for a decade. There's rationales and justifications (The CEO will be replaced before his blood is cold, whereas Kirk is a critical, load-bearing propogandist for young men!), but at the end of the day lefties know and hate the face of only one of those men.
BoneDrained
34m ago
His statement seems literally true: many MAGA-types were indeed desperately trying to portray the murderer as having anti-MAGA, pro-trans politics. Just because they were likely correct doesn't mean this couldn't be an interesting observation about the need to tribalize; us-versus-them; one of you did a bad thing. Kimmel wasn't making this criticism and was instead implying likely false things of the shooter, but I don't think the FCC should be pressuring Disney here. I think both Kimmel and Carr displayed poor judgment. There's some more context of the segment described at https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/national-international/what-did-jimmy-kimmel-say-jimmy-kimmel-live-pre-empted/3989961/
I abide contentedly in blessed singleness, nor have ever had a husband
Truly?
this kind of attitude makes me very glad that God made me as I am, freed from the desire for the desire of others
That is indeed the correct set for one's sails at such a longitude and glad I am that you have discovered it for yourself, even if I consider it a pity that our children should not be afforded the enjoyment of this same argument.
But I think you misunderstand me, paloma mía. I feel nothing but affection for you and am entirely sincere when I mention how you brighten my day. Please enter future chapters as my invited guest. In fact, it is belatedly occurring to me that I might benefit from your perspective as a proto-reader, so if you'd like early access I'd be happy to grant it.
Tidus will remain regrettably short-staffed re: girlbosses but the world in book two won't, and by book three... well, I think you'll find what goes on there more amenable to your palate.
haroldbkny
41m ago
As a classically liberal centrist, that really pissed me off when he got cancelled. I'm someone who cares about truth, and people's ability to tell the truth without protection, and I don't think he should be punished for casually remarking that the terrorists weren't cowards. But the thing is, I don't think the left was rallying behind him at that time, though maybe I was too young to remember. I feel like that's an issue that alignes more with centrist/libertarian values than either left or right.
aqouta
44m ago
I vaguely think the parties are going to realign as populist and establishment and then rapidly collapse when it becomes clear that these lowest common denominator populist solutions to problems don't work and the establishment gets blamed for being wreckers.
birb_cromble
52m ago
For me, I can tell because I can't sleep right.
Maybe it's a placebo effect?
Goodguy
55m ago
The viewership has decreased, but many people still find these shows to be a comfy way to unwind at the end of the day. It's not so much about the insights, it's about the warm fuzzy feeling of listening to the same person over and over again, and with many of the hosts, also the warm fuzzy feeling of having one's political beliefs reaffirmed. The target audience are not the kind of people who are highly online and so watch Hasan or Nick Fuentes or whoever instead to get their comfy unwinding and their political affirmation. It's kind of like asking why a bunch of people watch CNN or FOX news even though there are a bunch of people online who provide equally entertaining political content. Just a different demographic.
As for why they get paid so much. Well, my hunch is that it's just because mainstream media is notoriously conservative in their economic decisions. Just like they pump out endless remakes and sequels, they also would rather stick with a known host and pay him a lot of money than risk trying to elevate some relative unknown to the same position. This might not work for too much longer, but it worked for a long time.
TournamentFishing
58m ago
Zinn is well known among organizers of public events in Salt Lake City and often showed up in public forums intending to disrupt the event or question the high-profile speaker, The New York Times reported.
He was arrested in 2013 for sending a threatening email to the organizers of the Salt Lake City Marathon days after the Boston Marathon bombing, according to The Salt Lake Tribune.
07mk
59m ago
I actually think celebration would be less cancel-worthy than blatantly spreading misinformation like that. I don't know if there's enough leeway in judgment calls to say that Kimmel really believed that the murderer was a MAGA, or that this being a comedy show meant that it was not meant to be taken seriously (really, I don't know the laws around this - does the fact that the joke relies on an implicit statement of fact play into it?), but it looks like FCC pressure just from public comments may have played into the decision, which is the part I find troubling. I'd hope the owners would have enough decency to do this independently, but we'll never know, I suppose. But celebrating his death, that I'd see as simple edgy comedy like Maher saying the 9/11 hijackers were the brave ones, which got his Politically Incorrect show canceled, IIRC, unfairly, IMHO.
greyenlightenment
investments: META/FBL, TSLA, TQQQ, TECL, MSFT ...
1hr ago
"life without parole" (LWOP)
07mk
1hr ago
Was anyone here very familiar with Charlie Kirk before the assassination in terms of his politics, his media activity, and such, and if so, do you know of any good primary resources that would be good as an introduction for someone with very little familiarity of the guy? I do believe strongly that, regardless of whom or what, if someone is murdered for their speech, that speech automatically earns status as being worthy of listening to, and I realized I wasn't living up to my principles. I barely heard about the guy before and just knew him as a conservative media figure with a lot of influence on college campuses with his debate tents, and that he was quite Christian, but beyond that, I had no clue. Even pre-, but especially post-assassination, I figure that only direct, primary sources are trustworthy wrt his beliefs and behaviors, so I figured I'd check out the TP USA site & YouTube channel, but I was also wondering if anyone knew of a particularly representative or condensed resource for media of him.
Tiber727
1hr ago
I think it's a matter of, at the end of the day the target does at least influence whether the method is bad. I wouldn't want the government to send assassins in the middle of the night, unless the target is Bin Laden. More like, "There are bad methods, but..."
For Brian Thompson, the belief is there that he took money from people with the promise that he would help heal them when they are sick, then reneged on that promise. Ergo he is harming if not killing people, and suffering no consequences for it. His sins are extreme enough that it's easy for them to reconcile.
Kirk doesn't quite meet that bar. Sure, lefties say that words are violence. But I'd bet money that if it were hypothetically possible to run an experiment where you gathered a large group of hardcore lefties and said, "I'm putting you in a room with Brian Thompson and Charlie Kirk. Here's a gun with one bullet." I don't think the results would be even close.
FirmWeird
Randomly Generated Reddit Username
1hr ago
You can't actually think the world would be willing to starve Israelis to death for the crime of starving Palestinians.
The world was willing to execute Nazis after the holocaust even though their crime was executing jews. Any Israelis who did not voluntarily leave the country and renounce Zionism would be regarded the same as the nazis who didn't give up after the war was lost - they're actively committed to the project and voluntarily taking on responsibility for what Zionism did.
But that said, this wouldn't be the world starving Israel to death - Israel's remaining farmers would be able to produce some food after all. It just wouldn't be able to support a population nearly as large as it currently has, which would be a big problem when their military protection gets cut off as well. Food security is just one of the large number of threats waiting for an isolated Israel, and while it wouldn't be an insurmountable problem by itself the real issue is how it would exacerbate all the other problems they're facing.
philosoraptor
1hr ago
LWOP
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All a quick Google gives me for this is "leave without pay" (i.e. temporary absence from your job). As I've said before, people need to get in the habit of defining their acronyms.
Why are these people paid so much for such mediocre jokes and commentary. Random people on twitter have better insights for free. Yeah, I get the economic argument (people tune in to see him deliver the jokes, not a random person), but the occupation of 'late night TV host' has long outlived its usefulness .CBS balking at paying $40 million a year for Colbert is an indication of this.
If such a big figure can fall, who will be next?
These people are surprisingly expendable. Many celebs were axed during Trump's first term. We're not talking Steve Jobs, Elon Musk, or Sam Altman here , where a trillion dollar company hinges on the directive of a single person. Right wing cancel culture, like the doge cuts, is much more methodical , thorough and organized than haphazard like how the left does it . They , the left, forgot the mass cancellations during the 2001-2006 about Iraq, 9/11 and so on, like Bill Maher's 9/11 comment that led to his cancellation. They got too cocky. It's like, "we're cancelling everyone to make up for the past 10 years"
Yeah. I've always understood horseshoe theory as an invention of necessity for socialists/communists to sanitize themselves of the obvious similarities they shared with the Nazis. In many ways, the Fascist is just a socialist who has realized they can do 99% of what they want to do without the burden of having to actually run the means of production (and get the blame when they inevitably fail at doing so) by just imposing regulations and mandates. Its not your fault the steel industry failed because it had to compete with foreign steel that didn't have to be made using gold dust, it was your stupid capitalists who failed the gold dust mandate.
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