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The trick however, is that the other subsets absolutely NEVER police or rein in the subsets doing the ridiculous stuff, and will, on occasion, throw their weight behind them. Can you find me a SINGLE prominent lefty who denounced the general celebratory reactions to Charlie Kirk's murder? Just one!
This is so obvious that I don't feel I have to provide supporting examples but believe me I CAN DO SO.
Meanwhile, the right is vociferous and active about expelling those who might be too Nazi-esque. Graham Platner would have been shot out of a trebuchet had he run as a Republican the moment the tattoo issue arose. But since he's a Dem, the hemming and hawing continued until literal forcible rape allegations surfaced.
You tell me how we should differentiate between the hard lefties and the moderates when the hard lefties get to operate unfettered where-ever the moderate lefties have power.
If you tacitly approve of them, I don't see any reason to let you distance yourself from them. The 'subsets' in question are far more cohesive on one side, so they operate more like a single set. Heuristically is much simpler to treat them as one unit, and apply accountability to it as a whole.
Cenk Uygur?
The Turkish communist?
I don't know his work in detail but I think you could call him a "prominent lefty".
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To give credit where credit is due, Gavin Newsome and Bill Maher both took a hard line against Kirk's killing. At the same time I feel like the degree of push-back and reputational damage they appear to have incurred for doing so, kind of proves your point.
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Most prominent Democrats condemned the murder. It is tricky to find specific cases of one condemning people who celebrated the murder, but that's particularly because there are so few prominent people who celebrated it. I notice college Democrats and Republicans collaborating, and their statements seem to imply, to me, that celebrating political violence is bad. Sometimes Democrats have opposed attempts to crack down on and punish people who celebrated his death, but that's a free speech issue, much the same way that defending the vulgar woman in the top-level comment does not mean you support swearing at black people.
However, in that interview, Chris Murphy said this: "First, it is important for us to recognize and say that political violence is unacceptable. We don't yet know the full motives of this shooter, but there have been political assassinations and political assassination attempts that are due to right-wing radicalism and left-wing radicalism, and there should be no one in this country and no one on the left that is celebrating what happened here."
I take that as a clear denunciation of people who celebrate Charlie Kirk's murder.
How do you define 'Nazi-esque'? Does, say, Tucker Carlson interviewing Darryl Cooper, and remaining an influential figure on the right, count? Cooper certainly seems Nazi-esque.
(I should say that I don't think that's an issue unique to the right, and it seems to me to be isomorphic to tankies on the left. Darryl Cooper defends the Nazis, Hasan Piker defends Mao, you can see the same pattern working out regardless of side.)
Somewhat infamously the house Dems shouted down a resolution to condemn the killing of Kirk.
I don't blame them for that, same as I don't blame them for not applauding during Trump's SotU address. It's a pointless move to score political points, and I wouldn't blame Republicans if they didn't follow along were the Dems to do something similar.
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Once again, it's always all of them.
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I'm not sure how prominent you would consider her, but...
THANK YOU!
I recognised her from a 7.5-year-old video that I'd failed to find 2.5 years ago, and was able to fulfil my IOU-a-source.
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She's not lefty?
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Quite prominent, but your argument would be better served if you found an example of someone who isn't regularly called a Nazi.
Do people accuse Philosophy Bear of being a Nazi?
Dunno, never heard of him.
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This seems untrue to me:
Etcetera.
I like the weasel wording "not all were" in here.
Google gemini tells me that "Most of these state dispositions resulted in probation, community service, or local jail time under a year, rather than extended state prison terms... Overall, fewer than 20 people overall received formal prison or significant jail sentences, with the longest and most severe sentences coming directly from the federal convictions."
Yeah, arrested, and what happened to them?
You're writing as if the three weeks was just them preparing to do something, like an army bringing in forces. No, the three weeks was because they deliberately refused to do anything about it and left it alone on purpose.
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It was allowed for three weeks in the first place, which was itself an act of insane leftism. Leftist mayor ordered CoP to abandon the precinct.
Shorter than the Paris Commune
2 months, 1 week and 3 days
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The city leadership also intentionally and illegally deleted text messages to avoid any culpability. https://mynorthwest.com/local/judge-evidence-thousands-texts-top-seattle-officials-deleted-text-messages/3786557
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Oh man. This little clip was BURNED into my memory. Cops literally just pack up and leave an area they are in theory charged with patrolling. "Bye folks, good luck, hope you didn't think we had any cognizable duty to protect you or anything."
The Mayor of Seattle said we might have a Summer of Love. I cannot tell you how quickly that particular quote led me to conclude that moderate lefties are I-D-I-O-T-S with their mindsets stuck in the freaking '60s.
I still remember Raz of the Chaz walking around with firearms.
And it ended because a teenager died. The NEXT day the cops returned, showing they could have stopped this all along. How can you conclude anything other than the leadership allowing it on purpose?
If the Moderate lefties had reined in the extremists at the start that might have been avoided. They did not. I feel no problem with holding them accountable for these outcomes.
Or, you know, Occupy Wall Street, which went on for like Two Months. Obama was cool with that bunch.
This is the whole point, the Democratic Socialists of America openly say they're looking to infiltrate the party and these are guys that basically supported the October 7th attacks against Israel. If the Dems haven't clocked who they're in bed with they never will. Or they don't care.
Just a small taste of Why I do not want to share a country with these people. They tolerate extremist, violent behavior to the extent it is instrumental to their preferred goals, and act ignorant of second order effects.
Jordan Peterson used to talk about how he would ask liberals what it would look like for the left to go too far and very few could ever answer. Conservatives rarely had an issue with explaining what too far right would look like.
Its largely my point about why I personally prefer red tribe to blue tribe because red tribe is much more genuine.
If they think throwing alleged communists out of helicopters is a cool thing, they'll usually just say it.
Blue Tribers will circumlocute forever rather than admit to any particular hard limit to lefty activism, even if they might not themselves support a given action.
Because, as I learned a LONG time ago, "no bad tactics, only bad targets" is a lefty mantra for a reason.
It's one of the main things that codes the conflict style of the right as masculine and the left as feminine.
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I think the story of CHAZ shows that Democratic cities will not, indeed, let leftist activists get away with whatever they want to. Which is what you claimed in your previous post ("operate unfettered").
I agree that Seattle allowed them to get away with too much in that case.
They did let them get away with everything up to murder. They let them get away with it, they allowed it to happen in the first place because they did not have the will to stop it.
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Is your position now that the limit of tolerance for left wing extremism is teenagers dying?
Just want to make that as clear as possible.
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I don't know if it was the same incident, but I also recall a story about a black kid dying because a bunch of lefties filled his car with bullets, and immediately went on twitter to brag about how they killed a fascist (and then promptly purged the tweets). Though I thought that happen earlier in the zone's existence, and it went on for a week or two more after that.
At 12:50 into this video, you can see the terrorists and their supporters clearing up shell casings and thanking each other after the final set of shootings. Of course, none were charged with destroying evidence, not even the woman who posted video evidence of the crimes.
ETA: More video of the shootings. Highlights include the assailants asking, “Oh, you’re not dead, huh?” and “Yo, do you want to get pistol-whipped?” immediately before the final, executing shot.
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There's probably hundreds of little incidents in that vein that it would be all but impossible to find a record of.
Occupy Wall Street, with all those tent cities, was allegedly a hotbed for rape
Can't draw a HARD conclusion either way, the incentive to propagandize is large, but it was happening.
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Storytime!
So there were two different shooting incidents. One happened on the east side of Cal Anderson (the park in central Capitol Hill which partially encompassed CHAZ) kinda by 11th between Howell and Olive. The other one happened on its southern edge on Pine more or less in front of what was then the Rhino Room/is now Couch. The first one I was present for. I was over between the reflecting and wading pools, to the west of where the shots were coming from. A CHAZ pickup truck peeled off in the opposite direction northbound, west of the reflecting pool. I was informed by a blue haired 5'4 CHAZ security deputy that the trucl was their chief of security. When I asked him(her?them?) why they didn't investigate the gunshots, the deputy told me they were unarmed, and had also been awake for over 24 hours. The shooting was believed to be gang-related, but I don't think was ever solved. The fact that CHAZ security collected all the shell casings surely did not help.
The second incident involved the two teenagers who if I recall correctly stole a car and drove it through a barricade on accident and were stopped by gunfire. Recordings of the incident that were uploaded strongly implied that they were executed after initial gunshots stopped them ("You're still breathing? BA-BAM"). This was the episode that precipitated the reestablishment of SPD control and the end of CHAZ/CHOP. I believe their families later sued the city.
Honorable mention goes to legendary highly-documented homeless tweaker Travis Berge who killed his homeless girlfriend with a board with a nail, broke into the pump house for the wading pool, climbed into a vat of chlorine, and drowned in it.
Incidentally, in the lefty scenes I ran in at the time, the only anger I ever heard expressed was for the two activists killed by accident while dancing on I-5. People were certain it was an intentional right-wing attack, and when it was revealed that the driver was in fact a confused immigrant who had driven onto the freeway around "do not enter" signs, the episode was forgotten.
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Didn't CHAZ learn the hard way how it's not easy to run even a few blocks without shooting some unarmed black kids for acting suspicious, and thence lose the mandate of heaven, before anyone thought to shut them down?
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3 weeks!! Seems to counter your argument
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