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sun_the_second
could survive a COD lobby and a gay furry discord server
55m ago
The fact that you're NOT currently seeing chaos is extremely strong evidence that a Boltzmann-Brain universe does not exist.
But if I were seeing chaos, wouldn't I stop evaluating evidence, thus making the Boltzmann brains where I can read your post the only ones who are convinced that they're not Boltzmann brains? I don't know how to put it in more rigorous terms.
ControlsFreak
1hr ago
I've got my wife pretty bought-in on super cheap Chromebooks for 'laptop-like' stuff. She genuinely lives in a browser and isn't ever doing computationally expensive stuff, so it works pretty well. There's maybe one or two things that would make me weakly prefer for her to have a Mint laptop, but given our shared preference for super cheap, small form factor, low power (low heat), long battery life, etc., I think chromebooks get the job done well enough.
For the main desktop, which I ask to do a lot more stuff, I have it dual-booting Win10 and Mint at the moment. There are a few niche things I'm still figuring out, but the main one is Excel. We have a fair amount of stuff in Excel, and it appears that things don't translate directly into Libre... especially any of the books with significant VBA macros. A cursory amount of research tells me that it's actually annoying to get Excel working in Linux, so I might be staring down having to just re-write everything and having a clean break in compatibility for prior years' info. I've still only done cursory research into it, partly because I don't want to think about having to redo it all.
erwgv3g34
1hr ago
And how many of those are single mothers, either through divorce raping an innocent husband, or through having sex with a man who any fucking idiot could have told you was not going to stick around (edgy bad boys, bohemian drifters, married men, etc.)?
Not only are we going extinct, but what's left is fast becoming a civilization of bastards, incels, fuckboys, single mothers, and cat ladies.
MayorofOysterville
1hr ago
There's a bi difference between women aren't having kids and women aren't having enough kids. According to those stats most women still have at least one child.
SnapDragon
1hr ago
Nope, not overlooking it. It's a probabilistic anthropic argument. It is true that, in a Boltzmann-Brain universe, a brain that is "you" will eventually show up paired with sensible input. But it will be vastly outnumbered by those brains that are "you" up until epsilon seconds ago, but are now seeing chaos. The fact that you're NOT currently seeing chaos is extremely strong evidence that a Boltzmann-Brain universe does not exist. (It doesn't matter if chaos and non-chaos events all happen infinitely many times. It's the proportions that matter.)
I admit, though, that I'm still open to debate. (Physicists really don't expect Boltzmann Brains to be real, but if Feynman can't come up with a knockdown argument, what chance do I have?) There are weird questions like "Is there such a thing as an instant of consciousness?" or "Is anthropic reasoning on the laws of existence even valid?" which might be relevant. But just waving at infinity isn't enough.
MayorofOysterville
1hr ago
Jim doesn't want to go back to anytime. The level of control of women he wants has never existed in Western Christian society and the relief efforts of the Catholic church in South America during the 16th century would be intolerable churchianity to him. He wants contemporary Afghanistan not anything that's ever existed Christendom.
MayorofOysterville
1hr ago
Yeah even ignoring all the murder the level of government control he want would be intolerable, in addition to micromanaging personal interaction I suspect the Jim party would wind up suppressing basically every Christian denomination as "heretical churchianity"
MayorofOysterville
1hr ago
Very few for all those. The Houthis and Hezbollah are Shia who ISIS thinks are heretics that deserve to be brutally murdered and most recruits from Gaza just join Hamas and Hamas has few foreign fighters.
I agree with the general thrust though ISIS probably sucked a lot of people in who would have committed terrorist attacks in Europe.
Celestial-body-NOS
Supra tumulum tuum, astra nobis.
1hr ago
Something about leopards and faces....
MayorofOysterville
1hr ago
So I read that article and am pretty unconvinced. For one a lot of nonwhites are already here and are thus neighbors according to Jim's reading if the parable. The other is most of the starving African children that Jim references are Christian and there's all sorts of stuff in the New Testament about helping brothers of the faith. I feel like Jim's Christianity is about as true to the text as Episcopalians which is to say they really really want to ignore the parts of the bible that conflict with their internal morality. He references the old testament genocides but all of those were towards pagans not towards believers.
Southkraut
The rain fell gentlier.
2hr ago
Concrete questions: when, if ever, will it be acceptable to express even the blander motte views in polite company? Was it ever?
So far, in polite society, it isn't. The progressives are less aggressive than they used to be, but outing yourself as even slightly right-of-center is still a good way to end conversations.
Southkraut
The rain fell gentlier.
2hr ago
Eliminating voting rights for the vast majority of "normies", and all women
Okay, yeah, universal suffrage and representative democracy do seem like a stopgap measure that is slowly due an upgrade or replacement. So what does he actually suggest? Restoring the aristocracy? Military junta? Same oligarchy as now, but without the pretence of democracy?
Executing gay people ("poofs off roofs")
That seems close to pointless. Curtailing their ability to advertise and evangelize, sure. But literally killing them? Are the gays truly the most corrosive element in society that deserves uniquely lethal treatment? Not the jews, or the leftists, or the rich, or the muslims, or the elites?
"Conscripting wombs"
Okay, yeah, either this one or artifical wombs is probably going to happen sooner or later. Making babies is not optional for civilization.
Barring these radical changes "failure to murder everyone who is insufficiently left is likely to also be 'extreme far radical right'".
I don't understand this sentence. Please explain for dumb foreigners.
MayorofOysterville
2hr ago
My first reaction to this is but why though? Why do all that? (besides it being his sexual power fantasy) My second thought was does he actually have any kids himself because a lot of these guys don't.
But we had a much higher birthrate in living memory, in a society much similar to our own, so if you believe we need to urgently raise the birthrate as the number one priority it makes a lot more sense to implement something like the 1930s moral values rather than white shariah. And that's the other thing his call to RETVRN isn't even that. Western Christian society has never had rules like that and Northern Europeans have always had a degree of gender equality. Compare the number of premodern ruling queens in Europe to anywhere else, or the status of Viking women, or Medieval women or convents or another dozen examples. So he's actually trying to implement something that has never actually existed in Western society except among the FLDS I guess. Also there's a lot of evidence that it's more about rural life vs urban life than strict control of women. The 1860s USA or contemporary sub-Saharan both have a higher fertility rate than Saudi Arabia for example.
Speaking of society Jim could actually move to a society that shares his vision much of the Gulf have created a system like that with migrants serving at their pleasure and subjugated women. But he won't he'll say it's cause he hates Arabs and Muslims but that's the problem he wants white ISIS to take over society and brutally murder everyone he hate but white ISIS doesn't exist and never did. It's telling that a lot of his commentators are Indians who do practice the kind of father arranged marriages he wants. Basically any white Christian conservative from any point in history would be pretty horrified at a lot of his ideas. And the vast majority of Republicans would as well. Contrary to Democratic party talking point most Republicans aren't motivated by extreme racism or sexism. So I don't think Jim's ideas of what the right wing should have much baring especially since he has different goals than the vast majority of conservatives and his preferred solutions seem to be more because he likes solutions. I've skimmed through his blog and he has several failed predications (mostly about Ukraine) without an attempt to recalibrate, and just seems like a crank. he wants to restore civilization but is method for doing so is take over society and kill everyone I don't like which is what every barbarian everywhere does. He hates everyone everyone is wrong except Jim I wish he would at least have the decency to found a fringe political party which is what the extreme leftists who also, want to kill everyone that disagrees with them and force people to do the "right" things do. But as far as I can tell he's entirely alone and thus doesn't have to deal with other humans. For someone who wants a society heavily based on Christianity does he even go to church?
Also the way he talks about women makes me pretty uncomfortable I honestly just get the vibe he hates them. Not just because of wanting to reduce them to chattel (though also that) But I've never read so much talk of "wet pussy" in my life including in relation to pubescent children and Disney movies. It just seems incredibly vulgar for someone who wants to return use to traditional chaste society and no pious Christian man I know would talk like that.
Southkraut
The rain fell gentlier.
2hr ago
I think the sexual revolution was terrible for society. It was also pretty bad for women themselves.
How about some bullet-biting: It was terrible for society and possibly bad for women on average, but also eliminated many of the worst-case woman situations, and created some new best-case man situations, and you can't undo it because it's too attractive in the short term.
ThenElection
2hr ago
I am... Eclectic in my politics. I fear I'm a gigachud among most of my friends, and left-leaning for the Motte.
Over the past one or two years, I've been a bit more willing to express my opinions. When I do, the responses are far more balanced than my fears. Some of the things I've heard would make the median Mottezan blanche.
I'd encourage being open; you might be surprised. Particularly if you have a diverse friend group.
SubstackNecron
2hr ago
Would you rather have a husband who could legally beat and rape you or a bad boss for a job that you can quit?
the more fortunate 21st century man
The more fortunate man, who the average mottezan overwhelmingly is statistically, deals with maybe 2 of these on average if they are unlucky. This is claiming trans so you can be a disadvantaged group in an argument you're doing woke lib shit right now.
Skibboleth
It's never 4D Chess
2hr ago
This isn't a matter of "belief," it's history and biology. Wherever civilized and sufficiently stable nations have recovered from sudden and large declines in population, golden ages have followed.
I'm going to have to ask for a citation, because this seems like an extraordinary claim and contrary to basically every historical example I'm aware of. What's the mechanism here? It is true that the recovery that follows an apocalyptic event will seem like a golden age compared to the apocalypse. However, the fact that hitting rock bottom leaves nowhere to go but up does not mean hitting rock bottom is welfare enhancing.
(I have a weird feeling you're going to pick the Black Death, but maybe you'll surprise me).
I'm not denying the mechanism, I'm saying its benefit is illusory.
What are you actually trying to say? Like, what is the counterfactual scenario you are proposing? You say the benefit of material abundance is illusory, but also seem to expect that things would be better if instead of having more stuff workers were paid better. Is your position "actually, things would be better if we had less stuff"? If so, you should say that. If not, there's a basic problem where higher worker compensation and lower prices are isomorphic. If worker compensation rises but the amount of goods remain the same (per your stipulation) the result is the inflation that seems to incense you.
Garfielf
2hr ago
Simple: all the pseudoscientific and pseudoreligious reasons for a society based on the sexual revolution have been shown to be even faker.
Garfielf
2hr ago
The principal difference between the 1890s woman and the 21st century man is that the 1890s woman was legally defenseless against abuse from her husband, while the more fortunate 21st century man is merely legally defenseless against career criminals, mentally ill violent strangers on public transportation, police officers, his boss, every woman who works in his HR department, his wife, and rioters who have the correct politics.
Pasha
Defend Kebab
2hr ago
At this point I think you will really struggle to find any profitable OF account not managed more or less this way. Really tells you something how quickly we reinvented the pimp in yet another medium of sex.
haroldbkny
2hr ago
I agree with you because I am just like everything you described. But I have to ask the question: are we being too cautious? Once bitten twice shy. We have been in the trenches in the most awkward of warfare, and I know I've lost friends and opportunities from being too vocally centrist. I hate getting yelled at and lectured to.... So I'd rather just not start it anymore. So I keep my damn mouth shut.
But truthfully I don't think it's the case that we are being too cautious, not yet. But I must raise this question because there may come a day when society does, or could, accept centrists again, but it won't happen if centrists don't feel free to let our middle-of-the-road freak fly. If people don't start speaking up, others who agree with start suppressed themselves, due to lack of common knowledge of centrist acceptance.
So basically, I think we can say that the woke conditioning of the past 15 years was massively successful. Even when things are starting to get better, we can't go back to feeling better and acting like we used to. We've been trained to act like the woke, even though we are not, and this makes it all the harder to change society to non woke.
Mottizens: do you have a good relationship with your parents? More specifically: do you try to make them proud and live up to values they inculcated in you? Or do you think about failings they had, and try to orient your life toward avoiding those?
Both. My parents are seriously flawed people with some good in them. I have a good relationship with my father, and try to retain a good relationship with my mother, despite having a lot of memories of what I would describe as serious narcissism and controlling behaviour from her directed towards many members of the family (particularly towards my dad, who is probably the most loyal person I know of). At one point it was very difficult for me to talk to her without experiencing a visceral disgust reaction, and I often consciously try to avoid acting like how she did when I was growing up. My politics are also probably the opposite to what hers was then.
Probably the biggest failing they had was anything even remotely relating to academic achievement. They had such a focus on academics that I failed to learn other essential life skills because of just how much stress was placed on it. I was expected to study an undergraduate degree in a subject I really had no interest in at the ripe old age of 12, and getting anything below the very highest grades was treated as failure (upon which point my mother would lose her shit and scream her head off for three hours). The thought of this induced nothing short of primal fear in me, and eventually during a particularly stressful period I ended up developing a chronic inflammatory disorder that resulted in constant, unremitting pain and discomfort.
Even long after I have gotten that degree, after I have recovered from my health issue, after I have progressed on to bigger things, I still think about that whole period of life and shudder. It's all too easy for an attempt to foster an environment that creates excellence to slowly slip into an attempt at forcing one's wishes through, and while I think the former is beneficial, the latter certainly isn't. If I ever found myself taking care of a small human, I would definitely try to do the opposite of all that.
But they had a lot of good values I still try to hold onto. Taught me to avoid substances as much as possible (something I notice a lot of western people are fairly laissez-faire about and which has always weirded me out), taught me how to save and invest, taught me the value of delayed gratification, taught me the value of self-reliance, and so on. My dad is probably also partially responsible for fostering a love of travel and photography that has persisted until the modern day, either that or I'm inherently more similar to him in more ways than I would care to admit. I wouldn't say I try to make them proud anymore and if anything have tried not to care about that, but I do try to live up to certain values they instilled in me.
Crowstep
3hr ago
I have a good relationship with my parents, but I wouldn't say I particularly care about living up to their values. Maybe it's because their values were generic suburban apolitical secular centrism. They had no clear values to live up to. I had a good childhood and they've been generous now I'm an adult, but growing up there wasn't really a strong culture for us to preserve.
I think I do want to give my kids the same kind of childhood I had, so if that counts then I definitely want to preserve that. But I'd say it's more that I had a good childhood (quite a lot of freedom, being outside a lot, no digital panopticon yet) and I think that would make my kids happy.
I definitely want to have lots of children, which I know will make them happy.
SubstackNecron
3hr ago
I think it's extremely likely that, given its extreme nature that any attempt to seriously take action to make his political dreams a reality would decrease the population of this server by at least one user, one way or another.
I'm pretty sure I brought up that woke was naturally antisemitic before october 7th either here or on the subreddit and was told "nah it'll never happen". The thing is, there have been a lot of firmly antisemtic people on the extreme right for a long time, which made woke people take the opposite side reflexively, that made it seem like the safer bet.
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