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VoxelVexillologist
Multidimensional Radical Centrist
2m ago
The big difference from the actual Civil War to me is a seeming lack of enthusiasm for fighting under a state flag. Despite a recent surge in state vexillology interest --- I like Utah's new flag --- I think governors aren't going to be able to command legions, leaving a pretty big gap for who would command anti-federal forces.
The only way I can even hypothetically see the states winning is if disagreement within federal forces causes them to not show up. I think that'd happen if they were ordered to drop bombs today, but I think that's beyond the pale for even the current administration.
Goodguy
3m ago
An alternative to civil war could be peaceful secession followed by voluntary shuffling of populations between the new countries (blues in the red country can move to the blue country if they want to, reds in the blue country can move to the red country if they want to). I have never been comfortable with the idea that a country that was founded by a secessionist act of treason would consider secession and treason in the future to be automatically immoral.
In practice, it's hard to imagine the federal government allowing secession to happen without violence, but it's at least a hypothetically possible alternative.
ThisIsSin
PC is for progressive-conservative
4m ago
But the difference here is that if I knew my wife had that fetish, I'd make an attempt to put on the dragon suit once in a while even if I found it boring. Yes, it's sex work (those things aren't exactly cheap, they're hard to clean, and I'd probably have to find some other way to finish myself off that night, and a lot of guys really despise having to do this), but it's in the contract.
This is just women bitching about having to do sex work, and they feel their negotiating position would be stronger if men could not say "but the women on my computer screen do that without much problem, why don't you?". Whether they're correct or not is irrelevant to how they feel.
Goodguy
6m ago
Just like with John Brown, who killed a couple dozen people in a country of 30 million but whose deeds were spread wide by media and fueled fears, the inciting incident would probably be something that is not actually particularly alarming in itself, but that happens to be spread wide by media both mainstream and social, and that happens to play well on people's existing emotions. Sort of like George Floyd's death, but much more explosive.
netstack
Texas is freedom land
8m ago
For the record, I put money on Trump as soon as he survived the assassination attempt.
I wrote that comment to wade into the ongoing “astroturf” debate. Given our userbase, there was a lot of countersignaling insistence that any positive coverage had been bought. No one could actually like Harris that much.
While I wouldn’t have called her “great,” she was so much more credible than mecha-Biden. Trump fans might not remember how absolutely miserable Democrats had been over the preceding month or so. I suspect this was enough for most of them to feel a rush of relief.
My mom still has a painted Harris/Walz rock (?) in her back garden.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
8m ago
I find it hard to believe that a significant amount of local or staties would be willing to shoot feds even if given orders to that effect.
It doesn't take many.
daguerrean
9m ago
Disagree. Look at the various identity groups ________ for Harris. I see: Black Men, South Asian Men, Latino Men, Native Men and AANHPI Men. Literally only whites are given an alternative word other than “men”. IMO “dudes” is infantilizing, it evokes frat idiocy, stoners etc. Every other group is entitled to the pride of thinking of themselves as men, white men alone are denied it. It’s essentially like black men in the south 100 years ago being referred to as “boy” regardless of age
Anyways...the bronze age, amirite?
Funny thing is the Joseph story may actually be relatively young as Genesis stories go, possibly post-Exilic. I don't know if that's better or worse since the later it is the more "Jew" becomes an accurate descriptor of the writers. If it was earlier you could maybe see it as an attempt to ride off the coattails of the Hyksos (who were also allegedly driven out and destroyed) and claim their blood made it into Israel.
Interesting conjecture:
According to Römer, Joseph in this passage could be loosely based on a governor named Cleomenes who ruled part of Egypt under Alexander the Great:
…Joseph, in this passage, also somewhat resembles Cleomenes of Naucratis, an administrator of Alexander’s, the builder of Alexandria, and the originator of a mint in Egypt. In fact, it was he who, until his dismissal, held power in Egypt. While famine raged in the Mediterranean basin, he first prohibited the export of Egyptian wheat, and then greatly increased taxes on it in 329 BC. In a certain way, he obtained a sort of monopoly of wheat, which he would buy for 10 drachmas and sell for 32 drachmas. He inaugurated the control of the wheat trade by the Ptolemies. Cleomenes also seems to have been in conflict with the priests over the question of the maintenance of the temples.
Many such cases in the Bible. Maybe the biggest sin of the writers is taking credit for shit they didn't do (like the supposed genocide of the Canaanites).
phailyoor
12m ago
He did a great job at intentionally letting in tens of millions of people from the worst parts of the world. If left unchecked it would certainly result in the replacement and subversion of the previous people of the country.
Fact: Joe deliberately and successfully caused the largest wave of migration into the United States in history, and possibly even the largest wave of migration in all of human history.
FistLast2
18m ago
There's a video clip where that mayor is saying that Republicans want a "redo of the Civil War," amongst other incredibly inflammatory things. The Governor of Illinois is apparently backing the mayor up.
I mean, to be fair, a month or so ago, Trump did post an AI riff on apocalypse now with an image of helicopters dropping bombs on Chicago, and he wrote, "Chicago is going to find out what it's called the department of war".
Drinniol
22m ago
Police, despite being dressed in blue, are overwhelmingly red. I find it hard to believe that a significant amount of local or staties would be willing to shoot feds even if given orders to that effect.
ThomasdelVasto
Κύριε, ποίησόν με ὄργανον τῆς ἀγάπης σου
23m ago
Throwing in a quick post because I'm surprised it hasn't been discussed here (unless I missed it!), Mayor Brandon Johnson of Chicago sets up "ICE-free zones" in Chicago.
This comes on the heels of Trump sending in the national guard after Chicago PD apparently wouldn't help ICE agents under attack. I haven't read all the stuff about this scenario, but on the surface level it seems pretty bad, I have to say.
There's a video clip where that mayor is saying that Republicans want a "redo of the Civil War," amongst other incredibly inflammatory things. The Governor of Illinois is apparently backing the mayor up.
This refusal to help ICE and even outright claim that you're fighting a war with them I mean... I suppose Democrats have been doing it for a while. For some reason sending in the national guard is really helping me frame the Democratic response as what it is - basically outright treason against the U.S. federal gov. I mean sure you can sugarcoat it and point to legal statues and such, but fundamentally if the local governments of these places are going to agitate so directly against the President, I'm not sure how else you can say it.
Obviously with the two party system we have a line and such, but man, it's a shame that our politicians have fully embraced the heat-over-light dynamics of the culture war, to the point where they really are teetering on the brink of starting a civil war. Not the social media fear-obsessed "civil war" people have been saying has already started, but real national guard vs. local pd or state military type open warfare. I just don't understand going this far, unless the Mayor of Chicago thinks that he can get away with it and Trump will back down.
Even then, brinksmanship of this type seems totally insane!
I suppose Newsom in CA has been doing it too, now that I mention it. Sigh. I hope that we can right this ship because man, I do not want to have to fight in a civil war I have to say. Having studied history, it's a lot more horrible than you might think.
JarJarJedi
25m ago
Well, yeah, how do you think things worked at that time? Or, to be honest, in any other time until maybe 20th century when industrial warfare had been invented and private atrocities no longer interest anybody? Of course if you have a small clan that needs to survive, you need to make friends of bigger clans and destroy other small clans before they destroy you. I'm not sure though on the details - which part of Abraham's story you interpret as "then running off with all their shit"? Abraham did try to make friends with the Pharaoh (who was really into his wife, and you can guess what powerful people did to lesser people who had undeservedly pretty wives - if you don't, the Bible has some chapters on that too), but I don't see any mention of any, let alone, all their shit being lost as the result. Other episodes don't seem to match either.
I think the only part where "then running off with all their shit" is appropriate is the Exodus story - but the first part "ingratiating themselves with wealthy and powerful people" is no longer true - by the time, Jews were slaves, so not much ingratiating were happening.
RoyGBivensAction
Zensunni Scientologist
29m ago
It's a copypasta from July 2024.
So they needed some other synonym to denote benign men
Which they immediately ruined by adding "white", which gained stigma through the same process.
"White" and "man" are our words now. They've lost the social license to say them, and this is the Progressive version of the "we're not using the hard-R" dynamic.
RoyGBivensAction
Zensunni Scientologist
31m ago
I don't think it's been fired yet, but I can imagine a "revisionist" historian in 150 years identifying the failed assassination attempt on Trump and Kirk's assassination as the start rather than the later primary inciting incident that most people think of.
AmericanSaxeCoburgGothic
Happy to be here! Goal is to post the most exclamation points.
32m ago
I thought the Sun Also Rises made much more sense after college than highschool. When you meet people who live their lives without hope, or goals, or responsibilities.
SubstantialFrivolity
I'm not even supposed to be here today
34m ago
you realize that as much as you love this girl, she will never be a 100 ft tall dragon who will take you into her dragon womb, connect an umbilical cord to you, and genetically rewrite your body so that you too become a dragon.
Is, uh... is that something you are looking for in life?
07mk
37m ago
This seems like pretty standard euphemism treadmilling. As long as the core sense of considering men as being worthy of derision exists, it doesn't matter if the Dems call them "men," "dudes," or "florks." It's that core sense that needs to be changed if the Dems want to call men by a term that isn't derogatory.
WhiningCoil
Ghost of Quokka's Future
37m ago
If it happens, I think the "origins" would date back to the Obama administration and his intelligence community framing Trump for crimes they knew he didn't commit to derail his administration. Virtually everything is downwind of that.
If I were to pick an inciting incident, I'm torn between the failed assassination attempt on Trump, and the successful assassination attempt on Kirk. Maybe you can't separate them, because with the attempt on Trump you could kind of trick yourself into thinking "Maybe this will stop, maybe we can go back to normal", and with the assassination of Charlie Kirk you knew beyond all doubt that was impossible. They're never going to stop.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
38m ago
Hasn't been fired yet, but there's some obvious places where it might -- conflict between state law enforcement and Federal around immigration is one. Imagine the Portland judge's decision that Trump can't use the National Guard the way he wants stands. Antifa gets cocky and turns Portland into a riot zone again. Local law enforcement appears but essentially protects the rioters. Trump invokes the Insurrection Act (in the middle of the night of course) and sends in some National Guard unit arguably (but not definitely) in defiance of the judge's orders. Portland and Oregon declare this illegal and the staties try to stop them... there's your shot.
Alternatively, the decision DOESN'T stand. Trump uses the National Guard in more and more blue cities. Local law enforcement gets in a conflict with them, shots fired.
JarJarJedi
39m ago
I, Asimov by, predictably, Isaac Asimov. Some biographies and especially auto-biographies bored me, but this one is not the case. The author clearly is writing about the subject he is deeply interested in, and is not hiding it at all (I'd even say flaunting it), and yet it remains an interesting book. Asimov being a pretty standard prosperous New York secular American Jew, with all cultural and political stances that follow from that, there are a lot of things for me to disagree with him about, but I think it's still a very illuminating and interesting book.
Also, Spice: The 16th-Century Contest that Shaped the Modern World - the topic is pretty obvious from the title. Not too much new there in general, but the details are fascinating. Those early explorers were really wild, and it's insane how dangerous and close to suicidal their exploits were.
AmericanSaxeCoburgGothic
Happy to be here! Goal is to post the most exclamation points.
42m ago
· Edited 23m ago
Is this a quote, or an anecdote?
Edited to remove unnecessary antagonism.
Come on. This is not true. First because treason is pretty well defined. But by this logic texas was treasonous when they decided to enforce border control on their own. Democrats are just grandstanding with non zero chance of giving republicans nice campaign points when some immigrant rapes a woman in the ice free zones.
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