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erwgv3g34
1hr ago
If you have never been oneshotted, you're not looking hard enough for infohazards.
Hieronymus
1hr ago
I was replying in the context of Puritan Massachusetts, which @TIRM alluded to.
As I said, I suppose that most folks got away with it even there. But the Puritans were aware that they were doing something weird and difficult with the society they were trying to build, so they were willing to do some things differently. Their courts were way more willing to get involved in family matters than most, for good or for ill.
If you haven’t read it, I recommend Edmund S. Morgan’s book The Puritan Family. It’s very readable and very interesting.
quiet_NaN
1hr ago
but those laws aren't set up that way to protect children (they aren't the right tool for that).
I disagree, I think that age of consent laws are mostly doing their job well enough.
The thing which horrifies me about ancient marriages was the power imbalance. In Rome, the wife was not even a separate legal entity, she was just a part of the household (which was the legal entity), represented by the husband. From my understanding, it was not so much that the husband had an explicit right to beat or rape his wife, and more that what went on within a household was simply not a matter for Roman law. Outright murder or maiming of the wife might get the husband into trouble with the father of his wife, but anything short of that would probably be tolerated. In that setting, the power imbalance is already over-determined. If a 32yo veteran marries a 13yo instead of a 20yo, this would also on its own determine the power imbalance, but given the context we are already way into diminishing returns wrt power imbalance.
As one of these bleeding-heart liberals, I have this idea that power imbalances in sexual relationships which do not stem from a sufficiently informed consent are bad.
If a 30yo is grooming 13yo's, he will probably succeed with a decent fraction of them, if he is average-looking, average-income and has an average skill at manipulation. "No, he is not some creep who wants to fuck 13yo's, he just recognized that mentally I am already 18 and our souls fell in love with each other. It is so romantic!"
With child marriages, at least there is a sharp limit on how many girls a bad actor can victimize (though the magnitude of victimization per victim is of course much higher). With Westerner morals around dating, our average adult man could probably seduce, fuck and dump several 13yo per year if that was his hobby. Now learning the hard way that men will sometimes talk about being soulmates to manipulate you into doing sex acts you would not do otherwise and then display no inclination towards an exclusive romantic relationship is not the end of the world (unless you kill yourself over that), but it is clearly making the world a worse place.
If we had headbands of WIS+6, INT+6 that would probably suffice to cancel out the power imbalance due to the 13-vs-30 age gap, but without that tech having an AoC seems like a good idea.
Or if that is not convincing for you, consider the AoC not in the context of a 13yo, but a 5yo. Adults are great at manipulating kids into doing stuff they have no inclination to do, from eating spinach and getting poked with needles to sitting still in school and doing homework. Child molesters could easily manipulate kids into all kinds of behaviors which will be demonstrably harmful for their normal development. With AoC, we can simply say "well, the kid may have consented, but their consent was invalid, so off to prison you go".
They're primarily for keeping young women out of the sexual marketplace and providing women-as-class a weapon to exploit men more powerful than them (to which they are inherently attracted).
I am sure that there are some adult women who wish that they had lost their virginity at age 14 to a 40yo driving a Porsche instead of a 15yo driving a scooter, but I am also convinced that they are a small minority.
If we generously say that half of the men who groom underage girls (if it was legalized) are interested in a exclusive long term relationship, and half of them are interested in sex without having to work as much on a relationship framework as they would when dating an adult woman, then most girls will end up dating the latter type.
I do not think that the motivation of fathers and feminists to be against minors dating adults is that they fear that they will ruin the sexual marketplace for women. Few fathers will say "I don't want my 13yo to date adult men because she does not know the proper price range of sexual favors and will happily give them blowjobs after getting invited to the cinema". More likely it is something like "I do not want some creep to use his power to manipulate my daughter into doing sex acts she is not comfortable doing and then break her heart. I will grudgingly tolerate her dating a boy a few years older, as at least the boy will not have a ten year head start on how to manipulate woman into sex."
WhiningCoil
Ghost of Quokka's Future
2hr ago
Is it because her most popular acting roles downplayed her attractiveness and made her look a bit masculine (see Euphoria, Dune, Spider-Man)?
Yes. I mean, having only seen her in Dune, she was like a 3 out of 10. I get that sometimes you ugly up an actress for a role. Charlize Theron in Monster for instance. But that seemed entirely unnecessary for Dune, and she genuinely seemed ugly on the inside as well. I'd say that's down to the butchery they performed on her character, but she seems to be a natural at it from what other in character and out of character appearances I've seen of her.
SubstantialFrivolity
I'm not even supposed to be here today
2hr ago
I think Zendaya is unattractive, personally. Not ugly, certainly, but I find her to be a very plain looking woman (when she isn't wearing idiotic outfits to awards shows).
I've seen this opinion online in the wild before and I gotta ask, how? She's thin with a beautiful, symmetrical face. Is this a "I definitely would NOT hit it. Just look at those sharp knees." situation? Is it because her most popular acting roles downplayed her attractiveness and made her look a bit masculine (see Euphoria, Dune, Spider-Man)? This is what she looks like when she actually tries to look good, where do you live where that's worse than an average cashier of the same age?
07mk
2hr ago
How so? I am in Academia. My motivated reasoning would be to make us more important not less no?
No. Or rather, maybe. There are a myriad of reasons why someone would want to over- or under-estimate the influence and importance of organizations to which they belong. Generally, the former helps oneself feel more important and powerful, while the latter helps oneself feel more unfettered and free from responsibility. But it depends greatly on the specifics.
I don't know you personally, and even if I did, I doubt I would know you well enough to figure out whatever motivations you have behind understating the impact academia has had on Blue Tribe culture. Based on your surprise at the idea that your position could motivate you towards understating the impact, I'd groundlessly speculate that some of it is motivated by your belief that your position should motivate you the other way and trying to correct for it. I'm guilty of this more often than I'd like - and almost definitely more often than I perceive - in that I'm very aware that my upbringing makes me inevitably biased in favor of Blue Tribe/progressive/leftist ideas, and as such, I apply greater scrutiny to such ideas than ones from competing groups.
FtSoA
2hr ago
Doesn't the stock P320 have about the same trigger pull weight as other in its class? Glocks are like 5.5 lbs and the M18 is like 5.5 to 7 lbs from what I'm seeing.
The "1mm of travel" is not being done at the regular point of measurement if he's jamming shit up top after pre-travel. That's way more movement down where the finger engages the shoe.
Basic errors like this are why I have a hard time taking the critics here seriously.
Engaging the sear nearly to the point of firing and then fucking with it is going to cause problems if tolerances are off from either defects or wear issues. I'm perfectly willing to believe manufacturing/wear defects combined with the inherent design of the cocked striker lead to these problems. That would explain why they're rare.
Also, looking at this Wyoming Gun Project specimen what the hell is wrong with his FCU rails being bent so much? That's not normal. I only have P365s, which is a broadly similar FCU design, and there's nowhere near that level of give, loaded or empty. Like his gun is clearly not safe, but it's an old and clearly beat-to-shit .45 and not an M18. It seems obvious to me that the amount of movement in the slide allows the partially engaged sear to move off the correct path and so it slips.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=OYoxraSP5pY
And no, partially engaging the sear then jostling the gun absolutely should not result in a discharge, thats the whole point behind drop and firing pin safeties. Except as newer videos reveal, the P320s firing pin safety does not actually block the firing pin, and the drop safety is easily defeated by any slide canting, which occurs even under normal trigger pulls.
The issue here is that this gun has like 3 million copies in the U.S. and has undergone numerous rigorous testing and trials. So when some video pops up showing "wow obviously this gun is bad when I fuck with it" I dismiss it by default, because if the issue was so obvious we would 1) see way more issues than we do and 2) this all would have been figured out by now.
Yeah. I'd say it was a tactical error for them to go all in on "Diversity/Minority Representation is a good in and of itself" but I'd guess by their metric they were getting exactly what they wanted.
You promise studio heads "Swap out the redhead for a POC and make the main character gay, and throw in a sassy girlboss on the side, people will absolutely FLOCK to see this movie!" and then the show gets rave reviews from the usual suspects, tons of social media hype and then... does mediocre to poorly upon release.
How's that go over?
Same for ad campains. "Don't put sexy folks, or even normal looking humans in your commercials, make sure the people check as many boxes as possible. Make sure all relationships depicted are interracial. This will both show how socially conscious you are AND drive a new customer base to you!"
And it just doesn't materialize. Worse still, oftentimes it torpedoes an otherwise established, popular brand (here's looking at you, Bud Light) for zero gain. I'm actually mad about what has happened to the Pixar brand.
Its not just empirical reality that caught up, profit-motive finally seems to have reasserted itself. If someone else is footing the bill you can afford to showcase luxury beliefs. But with the Quantitative Easing era over and the government is shutting off the money faucet, suddenly you have to think with your wallet.
Vast oversimplification, but yeah, after 5 solid years of unbridled acceleration into identity politic madness, can you point to ANY particular piece of media, or successful ad campaign, or memorable (in a positive way!) pop culture event that got published/released that had any lasting impact?
My honest recollection of popular songs, TV shows, movies, and books release over the past 5 years, its been almost nothing worth recounting or rewatching. The Dune films did win me over, but those weren't notable for being diverse, really. I hear that Andor is good. Better Call Saul is an excellent series.
ToaKraka
Dislikes you
2hr ago
I forget where the github repo is at
It's linked in the menu at the upper right corner of the page (under your profile image).
SSCReader
2hr ago
Well being willing to get help is at least a positive sign. And knowing it was a scam but treating it as a kind of escapist fantasy a la a new sports car seems maybe better than being delusional, hopefully. Still not great financially though of course.
I'll hope the help she is able to get is effective and this is a short term issue fueled by depression and the like. I don't think I have anything more from a technical side so just hope and good wishes.
Tanista
2hr ago
But the black UFC ring girls pass it.
Those are for guys, like Sweeney.
Zendaya clearly isn't unattractive, but she seems to get a lot of admiration from women and red carpet watchers for how she glams up rather than raw sex appeal.
Lizzardspawn
2hr ago
If I wish for any supper power, being able to make the nightmares of too wind up people true is up there in the list with immortality
PokerPirate
2hr ago
How embarrassing... this was intended as a reply to @WhiningCoil's post https://www.themotte.org/post/2277/culture-war-roundup-for-the-week/352249?context=8#context
I never understood how other people make this mistake, but now I realize it's due to a number of confusing interface features. (Or at least they are confusing to this Luddite...)
Mods/Zorba: Maybe the following interface changes could help:
- change the button text for posting a reply from "comment" to "reply"
- remove the ability to make top level posts when you are not "at the top level"; for example, in the link above there should only be the ability to reply since I am "zoomed into" a comment, and not the ability to make a top-level post, since no one should be doing that from the linked page.
I'm pretty sure I could submit a PR that makes these changes if you all are too busy, but I forget where the github repo is at.
SSCReader
2hr ago
well, your arguments for such a claim seem mostly like motivated reasoning.
How so? I am in Academia. My motivated reasoning would be to make us more important not less no? I could very well be wrong to be clear! But it's a worldview I have put together over many years of trying to influence people, and to me it fits the observed evidence of my own eyes better than any other.
SSCReader
2hr ago
Just look at the terminology. Cisheteronormativity. Anticarceralism. Cultural appropriation. Decolonisation. These are not words that Tumblr users, teens or their families create.
And notably those are not words the teen cohort coming into my classes use at all. Well maybe cultural appropriation but that is the most mainstream of those.
Remember just because academia creates a term for a thing it doesn't mean that's where it came from.
The algorithm, that vast engine of matrix multiplications and statistical correlations that often reproduces wisdom, did its work. It analyzed our features, our skin tones
Darn, would had been funny if ChatGPT did the common AI thing of darkening all your skin tones, or randomly rendering you or the children as more “diverse.”
I look at those images again. The boy, the girl. Entirely fantasized. Products of code, not biology. Yet, the thought persists: "I think they were gorgeous and I could have loved them." And that’s the cruelest trick of all. The AI didn't just show me faces; it showed me the capacity for love that still resides within me, directed towards phantoms. It made me mourn not just the children, but the version of myself that might have raised them, alongside a woman I no longer know.
Well, technology is a glittering lure. But there's the rare occasion when the public can be engaged on a level beyond flash, if they have a sentimental bond with the product.
My first job, I was in-house at a fur company, with this old pro copywriter. Greek, named Teddy. And Teddy told me the most important idea in advertising is "new". Creates an itch. You simply put your product in there as a kind of... calamine lotion.
But he also talked about a deeper bond with the product: nostalgia. It's delicate... but potent. Teddy told me that in Greek, "nostalgia" literally means, "the pain from an old wound". It's a twinge in your heart, far more powerful than memory alone.
This device isn't a spaceship. It's a timeline traverser. It goes backwards, forwards, sideways, diagonally. It takes us to a place where we ache to have gone. It's not called the Wheel. It's called ChatGPT. It lets us travel the way a child travels. Around and around, and back home again... to a place where we know we could have been loved.
—Don Draper, probably
This girl I was seeing once suddenly went on a long monologue about how beautiful a daughter of ours would look, listing at length the physical traits our hypothetical daughter would have. I mostly just inwardly look_of_disapproval’d and made a mental note to be more diligent going forward in pulling out. Thot-daughter thought-experiments: the best base for strong pull-out game?
I don’t necessarily disagree; a daughter of ours would likely indeed be quite good-looking (or son, for that matter). Now I’m tempted to give GenAI a spin…
A strange situation has arisen over the last 15 years or so where mild sexual titillation became taboo while extreme hardcore porn became easily available. There was such a glaring contrast. Nerds were wrong to enjoy attractive female characters in their videogames, because misogyny, patriarchy, and oppression of women. But at the same time these nerds were two clicks away from the most graphic hardcore pornography that has ever existed. OnlyFans is tolerated if not celebrated while milder forms of sex appeal were being erased. It's almost like the hardcore porn was, ahem, sucking all the sex out of everything else, but there has definitely been a shift against internet porn now as people who grew up with it start to resent it. I wonder if that latent energy is now pushing mild sexual titillation back into the mainstream.
Of course, this taboo was mostly or entirely focused on the preferences of straight white men, so perhaps that alone better explains why it was tabooed.
aqouta
2hr ago
It is really really important that you have no actual suggestion for a lasting peace. That's the entire problem and if you don't want to engage with it then I have no idea what would compel you to weigh into the discussion.
FtttG
2hr ago
Séamus Finnegan. I recently heard someone arguing in earnest that his name is a "reverse spoonerism" for Sinn Féin (I'm sorry, what?), and the running gag in the first book/movie of him accidentally causing small explosions is meant to make the reader think of the IRA.
I'm an Irish man who grew up when the Harry Potter books were all the rage. My friends and family literally queued up to buy them on publication day and devoured them over the course of a weekend. I don't recall ever hearing an Irish person contemporaneously suggesting that Séamus was a negative stereotype.
Lizzardspawn
2hr ago
"Zendaya has good genes."
She hasn't. There is a rigorous scientific test for a good genes in a woman - is she hotter than a young cashier from the same race. I am afraid Zendaya fails it. But the black UFC ring girls pass it. I think that I have noted here that the beautiful black women are just hidden in the media.
Throwaway05
2hr ago
At this point, I'm beginning to wonder if the medical definition of 'sanity' even exists anymore,
Well keep in mind that various lesser versions of psychiatric illness (depression, anxiety, cluster-b coping mechanisms) are expected in the community and healthy as long as they are not excessive.
On top of that you have various cultural problems like the whole anxiety thing, The Last Psychiatrist's idea of generational narcissism and so on.
One of the big things that happens now is that certain mental illness adjacent or maladaptive problems are supported by society (like anxiety and cluster-b behavioral patterns). The underlying sanity is there but the maturation and cultural PUSH isn't.
In any case the old school psychotherapists thought fucking the girl would clear out the BPD if you stuck with it soooooooo.
Also keep in mind "neurosis" and how it has been evicted from the DSM but is still behaviorally present. That is 90% of "bitches be crazy" alone.
Mantergeistmann
2hr ago
Everyone knows (I say jokingly) that it's actually that JK Rowling expressed a bit of subtlety and restraint by not outright referring to them as gnomes instead.
I have seen people claim it's because the illustrations (which she approved) look like stereotypes of anti-Jewish propaganda (due largely to the noses), but I haven't done the comparisons myself.
Walterodim
Only equals speak the truth, that’s my thought on’t
2hr ago
- Football and other spectator sports
- Running/lifting/biking and other participatory sports
- Beer/whiskey/cigars
- Grilling/meats/cooking
- Travel
Perhaps I am simply a normie.
Agreed. This is not a spur of the moment thing. Some marketing firm decided that "White woman has great genes/jeans" was an acceptable pun to run a big ad campaign on.
This is about as innocent as anything Cartman has ever said, which is not at all innocent.
They were deliberately courting controversy. I am not sure that they will come out ahead, though.
If they were the 40th largest jeans vendor in the US, they would probably come out ahead. Sure, they would alienate 20% of their customer base, but they might also entice 1% to buy their jeans specifically because they made the wokes cry.
However, American Eagle is the fifth biggest jeans brand in the US (according to some shitty online list I found). 20% who will not buy their products anymore might hurt them quite a bit. For what it's worth, NYSE:AEO did not make any big moves.
Personally, I would not have run the ads in their shoes. Woke is not so dead that I would jump on its corpse, and the outraged 20% will probably have longer memories than the celebrating 30% (of whom only a small fraction might actually buy their jeans).
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