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gattsuru
26d ago
I'm going to start off by saying that I am glad you wrote that, and I am glad that it got a QC. I'm glad that Impassionata got banned then, and last week, and whenever theschism mods get tired of it and finally banned Imp permanently I'll be glad -- and I don't often favor bans.
But I'm going to point out that it specifically in response to claims of 'right-wing' 'fascist' violence supposedly incited by Red Tribers, in 2023 long after BLM had ebbed; it does not name Red Tribers that were hit (excepting arguably a rhetorical flourish about police stations), but neighbors and friends.
((It's also an example that predates two of the three assassination attempts I'm commenting on, and doesn't mention the third.))
Contra expectations, I don't keep an encyclopedic assembly of every poster on every ratadj forum, and the good reddit search is down. Maybe I've missed something you've said elsewhere; maybe you weren't active at the right times; maybe you just didn't have a great opportunity. But understand why this is more an example of FCfromSSC's point than a counter.
A tale of two tracks
Suggested track order: HH -> WW3 -> Good Life -> Champion
I recently began listening to Kanye West's new songs, the ones I really liked were hh and ww3, ww3 in particular. This comment is a comparison of two tracks from his best album graduation(good life, champion) and two from his newest album titled cuck (hh, ww3).
For those unaware, Kanye West is an African American producer and singer who makes hip hop and is hailed as a modern day great in the genre, Kim Kardashian, his ex wife left him after his born again Christian arc in late 2010s, she ended up having a short stint with unfunny Jewish comedian Pete Davidson which sent him off the rails. Kanye was slightly conservative and was a trump guy in 2016, even contested for president in 2020 and was a full blown groyper by 2024.
Through happenstance, his anti Jewish sentiment led to him meeting ultra online lol cows like self admitted catholic eunuch milo, Mexican American anti hetero rights crusader Nicholas J Fuentes and racially ambiguous streamer Sneako known for changing ideologies faster than a Hugh Hefner could change girlsfriends.
His new album titled cuck is something for internet history. I'm not an anti semite and the wall of text above exists to give context and perhaps Crack you up a little. The song HH which doesn't stand for Hulk Hogan brother is Kanye's first major track that got banned o all streaming platforms beyond twitter. The name "nigga Heil hitler" seems something out of a 4chan acid trip. The follow up titled world war 3 us a much better song imo, both are very catchy and the alleged schizophrenic rants by Kanye in both make you laugh.
Many artists grapple unsuccessfully with mental issues, Kanye keeps apologising to (((them))) and upon reactivation of his account, takes it all back and then some. I first heard him in Chiang Mai during a very difficult time of my life and his album graduation stood out, two tracks in particular, champion which is about his father and Good Life which is about living well.
His personality changed post that album due to his mother's demise and I haven't heard much beyond that one album and I'll keep it that way as I dislike hip hop, however I do urge mottizens to give his old and new works a shot. The newer tracks give a decent enough explanation of his erratic behavior and the two older ones are about him looking forward to life as he can sense it's his time. The tragedy being that all of it didn't work out well. His mother passed away before saw him become a megastar, his white picket fence catholic idea of marriage fell apart so bad that he cannot see his kids, who will grow up in a broken household despite having parents worth a billion.
Ye has real grievances he cannot admit publicly, hip hop has gangster roots, weakness isn't "keeping it real". The contrast between two tracks stand out. In the good life he brags about the women he bags whilst in both hh and ww3, he semi unironically admits that he is seen as a cuck. Money and fame did not in fact make his life better.
His mention of his nitrous abuse is brought up in both new tracks. I tried it once, with a girl I really liked on my time backpacking in pai Thailand, it's a short high, quite intense and long term abuse will cause your spine fatal problems. Mr West is 47, graduation came out about 18 years ago now and this comment isn't a writeup to promote low brow right wing talking points.
Somewhere in his head, there's a happy kanye who could provide his kids the life he wanted and lived to see them grow up, alas we only get an extremely online nitrous huffer who may not see the next decade.
I ways he was aware as we look through some lyrics from champion
"having money ain't everything, not having it is".
And the chrous from good life
Did you realize
That you were a champion in their eyes? (Kanye's referring to his father here)
Yes I did
So I packed it up and brought it back to the crib
Just a little something, show you how we live
Everybody want it, but it ain't that serious Mhm, that's that shit
So if you gon' do it, do it just like this... like this
Unfortunately, it did get serious, marrying a woman who got famous off of showing skin and trying to get her to be your trad wife did cost him, the old addage goes "men conquer the world, women conquer men" . Kanye isn't Bach, he's still a damn good artist. I sympathize with him deeply.
Nostalgia is a bad thing, an emotion I rarely like as life's lived forwards, not backwards. I'll listen to his newer tracks now before I pop on the two I like from graduation, it's summer, sometimes you should stop and look back. Dondas son made it to TV and he did put shit down.
Amadan
Enjoying my short-lived victory
27d ago
On one hand, anyone is a broad term. But they probably don't count.
I specifically said I don't remember, because I was pretty sure you'd post a link to something a banned troll said once.
Does the Schism care more about debating whether Trump is a fascist than whether shooting Trump is a bad thing? Yes, color me surprised. (And color me unsurprised your mad hate for Trace has you still harping on a nearly dead subreddit years later.)
The problem's going to come about the next time that Blue Tribers want Red Tribers to care about this sorta violence aimed at Blues, and everyone involved promises that they've got examples somewhere, just left them in their other pants. The Blue Tribers might well have genuinely opposed it at a deep level, personally. Just, you know, not enough to do anything, or even hear about it.
I don't know if this is a dig at me or at the Schism or Blues in general. What, specifically, would you like me to have done about the attempted Trump assassination? If I tell you that indeed, I have gotten into fights (and been blocked/defriended) for arguing with lefties about how fucked up it is to cheer on political violence directed against people we don't like, I assume you will not believe me because I'm not giving you links so you can enlarge your dossier on me. *
You and FC are claiming Blues basically don't care about political violence until it touches them, and then they'll cry real loud about it. I think every tribe cares a lot more about their own side being hurt and the degree to which they object to violence done to the other side depends on how opposed they are on principle to political violence and suppressing other people's rights.
The popularity of Trace on X gives me some hope, the popularity of Kulak gives me less. I suppose for you those values are reversed.
* Yes, this happened. A small number, and most of my leftie friends agreed with me it was fucked up. But I've seen it.
They have lots of languages in China. Most Chinese people historically didn't speak Mandarin and had no use for Mandarin speech transcribed one phoneme at a time. Characters that mean entire words are quite useful as a common written language in a nation that is so pluralistic that most people lack a common spoken language with people outside of their local region.
This is true even in the modern era. Chairman Mao learned Mandarin as an adult and it shows in his strange accent and phrasing. Like almost everyone, he grew up speaking his local language, not a common national language. But any text written by any Chinese person would be understood by him.
Today Chinese schools demand students speak the common language in class. Outside of school many still speak in local languages which are entirely different than Mandarin. I've seen shanghaiese people switch to shanghaiese to prevent people from other regions and foreigners from understanding them. Rudely right in front of everyone obviously talking about us.
But yeah, bit odd they didn't think to also make a phoneme based script so they could write out their local languages. I was going to say they actually have that, but Google tells me that was invented in the 20th century. And even the Koreans had periods in which hangul was banned and all writing was mandatory Chinese only.
Found the solution to the Fermi paradox: negative utilitarians of such extremity that they sterilize all possible life to prevent the suffering of dust mites and other microscopic bugs and that means all animals. Yes, especially bugs.
In fairness, Eurovision faced repeated demands for Israel to be banned from competing, but stuck to their guns, and there's no question that Israel would have been given the award without fuss if they'd gotten the most votes. Some people have drawn analogies with how Russia was banned after the invasion of Ukraine, which seems like a transparent false equivalence to me: Ukraine was invaded by Russia and Ukraine fought back, therefore we ban Russia from competing; Israel was invaded by Palestine and Israel fought back, therefore we ought to ban - Israel?* I mean Palestine aren't in the Eurovision so you can't ban them, but why should you ban Israel?
*I know, I know, Israel "really" invaded Palestine 75 years ago, but come on, surely no one really thinks they started the current war.
BreakerofHorsesandMen
1mo ago
I was at my local organic co-op today, and I discovered that they have, as is typical of hippy-dippy stores, a reusable bag policy. In this case, every reusable bag I use, up to four total bags, gets me a small discount.
Being the sort of person who posts on the Motte, I immediately thought of gaming this system by putting as few items as possible in each bag. Preferably, I would buy four items, put one item in each bag, walk the bags out to my car, deposit the items in a separate container, then go back inside and repeat the cycle as often as necessary to get everything I want and maximize the discount.
This is, of course, both strictly legal under the store’s very poorly written policy, and also going to get me banned in no time.
But it led me to think of the deeper issue. Many, perhaps all, policies and laws are prone to extreme lawyer-brain galactic thinking like this. Imagine that the store couldn’t just ban me, because I am a member of the store and they can’t just get rid of me, and they must also put in place a policy that is fair to every member of the store. So they start trying to specify the volume of bag that must be filled, the types and sizes of bags that are allowed, minimum item counts in each bag. Soon, cashiers are bogged down in the minutiae of various arcane bag to discount ratios, rather than just scanning items and making pleasant small talk. Everyone is worse off, and the only plausible escape is to eliminate the discount itself, thus taking away a benefit of being a store member and reducing the overall value of that status, causing long-term harm to the store’s “health,” as it were.
Fortunately for my local Hippy Mart, they can still keep a FAFO policy in place for the chronically politically diseased such as myself. Anyways, I was just thinking about this and the contrast with the American legal system, which would be obviously incapable of maintaining such a simple and poorly written policy for longer than a nanosecond or two.
ToaKraka
Dislikes you
1mo ago
It says "removed by moderator", not "deleted by user". Also, the user has been permanently banned, so he can't answer.
TowardsPanna
1mo ago
He's permabanned. You shouldn't encourage alt-posting.
MadMonzer
Temporarily embarrassed liberal elite
1mo ago
With hindsight, she arguably should have called a manager and had you ejected, photographed and banned from the store for bothering on-the-clock employees while not being a customer.
No_one
1mo ago
Humanity as a whole wants good AI, but the attempts are split several ways and don’t individually have the ability to capture profit to sustain high burn rates when cheaper or free alternatives exist.
Guess what, governments exist to solve coordination failures. Even if yankees cannot solve the problem of 'how develop AI if it's going to cost billions and capturing the profit is hard', you can bet the Chinese Communist Party is going to bite the bullet, commission another few nuclear power plants and let the Huawei Ascends that they can't export bc US banned it be used for this purpose by the most promising companies.
Because they need AI. US needs it to and they'd probably also be able to
The rest of your comment is basically irrelevant fluff.
If we knew how good AI will be, the conversation would be a lot clearer. If AI plateaus at 2x human intelligence, then I doubt most people would claim it could trivially solve everything.
How do you even 'define' intelligence. If we go by IQ estimates, 2x human intelligence is von Neumanns by the server rack. And you can experiment on such much more easily to figure out how to organise them.
I'd say that would solve a lot of problems, if not majority of them, and create a few new ones.
Say a devops AI that auto-pushes code assumes humans will follow best-practices, but they don’t, and this results in a bug in a critical piece of infrastructure that causes a power outage for 12 hours.
With AI you can do an arbitrary amount of testing pretty easily so no, that won't happen.
All in all, I am not convinced at all.
phailyoor
1mo ago
Google never just gives you the answers, but instead helps you find human written (at least the old google) articles and resources that may be useful. And depending on the quality of the official course materials, the googled sites may be surprisingly useless.
Yes, cheating has always existed, and if you really want to cheat, instead of using google to find the answers, you can also find the older kid who saved all the homeworks from last year for you to copy from.
So I think in general Google is not cheating unless explicitly banned, and very different from ChatGPT. ChatGPT just does the homeworks and spits out the answer.
ThisIsSin
Cainanites and Abelists
1mo ago
some women go on about how sex work is empowering for women
Perhaps the most obvious conclusion is that they're genuinely asexual (or just uncritically repeating asexual talking points), so sex work to them is legitimately not meaningfully distinguishable from any other work.
This doesn't prevent them from responding to other incentives, of course- for instance, a prostitute might prefer prefer porn be banned if they believe it would lead to greater demand for their services. Whether or not they're aware they're prostitutes is another matter.
hydroacetylene
1mo ago
Some actual literal nazis in the vein of 'gas the Jews like we actually literally mean that' have had their pro-holocaust songs banned everywhere, I think. I can't remember a case of an American being banned from literally everything though, so that might have only been after a German court order or something.
No_one
1mo ago
Yet it happens routinely. There's a lot of Chinese on twitter. When I was playing certain games that were 'banned' in China, a third of the players were Chinese. They were all using VPNs.
'Untraceable way'
Are they gulaging peopel for unauthorized internet access? No. The maximum penalty is $2000 and confiscation of profits obtained through avoiding the firewall. https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.36RG72E
SecureSignals
Training the Aryan LLM
1mo ago
It's banned on YouTube and every single streaming or music hosting service (Spotify etc.). X is the only place that allows hosting it.
It cannot be denied that it's a truly transgressive song, and a genuine act of rebellion, given it warrants this response. Can anyone else think of a single song that has received this treatment despite the ubiquitousness of explicit material in that genre?
sun_the_second
1mo ago
Is there a tool for this? I'm wondering if embedding pictures like this would be banned if it became more common.
ArjinFerman
Tinfoil Gigachad
1mo ago
Can't decide if you should be banned or AAQC'd for this.
mrvanillasky
Indo Aryan Thot Leader
1mo ago
That motherfucker needs to be a camp, anyone who mentions nukes is an enemy to humanity. If this gets me banned, fuck it.
HereAndGone
1mo ago
Whoo boy, this has the potential to become a Californian Summer of "help help the entire state is burning down" levels of heated, and get us all banned. I'm biting my tongue real hard here not to snark about the Mormon church, second only to Scientology in "the brass neck of this guy" for its founder.
Let's all agree not to throw shade on one another's denominations and just wait for the results of the conclave?
orthoxerox
If you can read this, you're using a custom theme
1mo ago
I cannot help finding it ironic that we're now at a place where science fiction fans are demanding that we ban AI tools.
What's the biggest SF movie of the past couple of years? I think it's based on a classic SF novel (the winner of both Hugo and Nebula awards) in which the humanity banned AI tools. Or I could quote some Sister Miriam Godwinson at you. Or 2001: A Space Odyssey. Or I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream. Distrusting AI is a classic SF trope.
More like you can't read the room or you're playing games. "Word of power"... You won't get a warning for saying "nigger" in the context of a story. No one's getting banned for quoting Mark Twain. You just can't call someone a nigger.
No_one
1mo ago
Seeing as I'm one mod report away from being permabanned because of forgetting to speak nicely about followers of Nick Fuentes late at night two weeks back or so, I didn't want to risk any reports related to the 'word of power'.
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
1mo ago
He had like 50 responses
And he prefered telling people theyre to blinkered to respond to what he actually asked, to responding to someone who did.
If you threaten to shoot me and I leave I did not ‚self-deport‘ of my own free will.
(1) Being banned is not actually worse than leaving, while shooting is. (2) He may have behaved better on other topics, and learned the expected communication style eventually. You dont actually think being condescending was necessary to make his point, no? Most users dont start with a top-level post, and the ones who do are high-variance and a bit negative in terms of rule-following.
Yep. I'd have linked two or more of I didn't have a class of students starting in ten minutes. The difference between didn't happen and don't remember it happening is kinda the point.
Yes, I'm rather titchy about the people who dressed themselves as paragons of Respect, Truth, and Peace, then instead grew up to throw around words like "moronic", are quite proud of 'pranking' into the epistemic waters or promoting Matt Yglesias, and not only can't find any reason to comment on attempted political assassinations or a guy getting beaten to death for political protest, but didn't wrangle up anyone who'd have a burning need to do so.
Do you have some better example? Going to explain why it shouldn't matter? Or are we just supposed to pretend history started yesterday?
Two years ago I told ChrisPratt that it's a problem that "Yet there's no TracingWoodgrains the news network; I don't think there's even a TracingWoodgrains the famous news caster." If it turns out that there's not actually a TracingWoodgrains the Redditor, on this topic, what am I supposed to be pointing at instead?
Blues in general. If it were just you doing it, I'd throw another reference to a recent post of yours. If it were just some people doing it, this wouldn't be a problem. Even if it were just the people here doing it, it wouldn't be a problem.
In the narrow sense, not try to hide a falsifiable and meaningful claim (did anyone here do X) behind a unfalsifiable and meaningless one (do you personally remember anyone here doing X). In the shallow one, it'd have been embarrassing for me if I'd had opened that link to the Butler shooting thread, and there was a big Amadan post talking about how this contextualized and heightened their concerns about political radicalization on the left, and I'd have liked to be embarrassed. I guess ChrisPratt tried? In the I'm-going-to-be-repetitive-and-obnoxious sense because dodging this matters here like every other time before, I'd have liked you to not moved the goalposts from FCFromSSC's "sure things happened in the past" to your own "no one thought it was no big deal or worse, something to be encouraged."
I'm sorry that you had that sort of encounter, and I give my sympathies and empathy if you lost friends over it.
I do, yes, think it would be stronger if you had something you could actually show, or a reference here contemporaneous to it happening instead of suddenly revealing under challenge, or if you didn't duck from 'it doesn't happen in real life' to 'a small number' where 'most' of your friends didn't agree, but again if it were just you I'd just be throwing a reference to a recent old argument.
More critically, I think it would have been stronger to start with that, than to start with "TikTok screamers" like this was only a problem in one website that doesn't really count.
No, I think that one tribe makes very very loud noises about how they are opposed on principle to political violence and suppressing other people's rights, all the time. They just don't act on that principle.
On the extreme side, the SLPC isn't shutting up about subtle threats motivating violence; they're just spending time focused on "male supremacy". (bonus points: did you know their podcast Apathy Isn't An Option? Betcha it doesn't have anything on this topic in a week!). Nina Jankowicz didn't crawl under a rock to surface in seven years time; she's quite happily promoting her brand and will never, ever, ever mention Tom Fletcher.
But if those are the nutjobs, where are the sane, reasonable ones? ChrisPratt tried after the Butler County attempt, but he's an army of one: most of the time people had literally nothing to say. What person terrified by the ultimatium thrown at Harvard yesterday ever spoke against Harvard-affiliated orgs doxxing Red Tribers? I'm not demanding that we find one individual that has such an opinion on all broad topics, or even that we find anyone willing to answer every single offense ever, but I'm feeling a lot closer to Diogenes than Lot, right now.
... I am going to be very, very polite here, because my first reaction to this bit involved profanity. I am not a KulakRevolt fan. I have never been a KulakRevolt fan. I have specifically highlighted him -- well before he went completely off the deep end and got braincored by Twitter! -- as an example of the sort of problem that actually contains what you and yours falsely accuse FCfromSSC or I of.
No. I think both the guy promoting rando violence, and the guy who says he hates rando violence enough to split apart communities for (banned!) comments, but only really can write about it when it's against his side are both bad, and I think it's actually a pretty serious indictment of society in general that they are getting anywhere near the coverage that they are, while anyone that really cares at best gets shoved into some third-rate Red Tribe rag.
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