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faceh
7hr ago
Hard earned insights that were A/B tested for quite a while.
I've done a lot of lifting over the past year and a half and I'm already 6 foot 2. I won't say that I can capture any given woman's attention at will, by any means, but if I can get that initial attention its funny how positive the interactions are regardless of whether I'm being a dick or just being friendly. Its like the words don't matter in the slightest.
Learning how to flip between a general aloofness and then a more intense, undressing-with-your-eyes energy was also key.
thejdizzler
7hr ago
Well Christianity isn't doing too good of a job with survival either right now....
fmac
Ask me about bike lanes
7hr ago
Suicide is trivial, and obvious.
Also incredibly unfair to subject innocent bystanders to. Jumping in front of a train is horrific for the train driver, plus the massive inconvenience to thousands of people as train schedules get disrupted.
Jumping off a high structure runs the risk of hitting someone at the bottom, and guarantees some flavor of first responder has to scrape you off the pavement/fish out your bloated corpse. Let alone the trauma to whoever finds you first if it's just a random who gets to watch you splat.
Basically every flavor of at home suicide also involves at minimum a first responder having to deal with your aftermath, and again runs a very high risk of traumatizing a friend or family member who discovers your corpse.
Also people are fucking stupid, so failed suicides are guaranteed. That means you also eat up finite medical resources AND probably have a lower quality of life.
Suicide is fucking barbaric, and honestly pretty selfish.
self_made_human
Grippy socks, grippy box
7hr ago
It's better than nothing, but mobile first design does have some advantages. I miss BaconReader and Apollo, Reddit should have bought those out and repurposed them, and not made their own bespoke abomination.
ToaKraka
Dislikes you
8hr ago
I use a modded Reddit apk, but the experience is just abysmal.
I recommend just using your mobile Web browser, with the "New Reddit" interface toggled off in your account settings.
mrvanillasky
Indo Aryan Thot Leader
8hr ago
Precisely. My grandfather met Robert Kennedy when he visited Jaipur as he was a part of the royal staff. In all his life, he'd never seen a man with a presence like his, when Kennedy was riding the elephant, you could tell he was like an emperor.
Can't fake that, good PUAs are the real deal for this reason. You can't read your way out of being unattractive.
Tyler's product the blueprint decoded was presented as a short ebook, hacked from the lectures that were gonna be in the package, the book begins with the line "do you think you can change?". Frame is 100 percent real. Very astute observations on your part btw!
The_Nybbler
In the game of roller derby, women aren't just the opposing team; they're the ball.
8hr ago
Have you ever seen someone advocate for sports restrictions on the grounds of preventing suicides? I don’t think I have.
No, nor am I claiming anyone has. I'm saying they'd nerf the world for other reasons as well.
Quantumfreakonomics
8hr ago
I had thought the internet collectively agreed that RLHF had resulted in glazing that was a huge issue. But it turns out a sizable amount of people actually loved it.
I thought it was widely understood that Glazemageddon was the result of naively running reinforcement learning on user feedback. The proles yearn for the slop. It’s only weirdos like us who actually want to be told when their ideas are provably wrong.
self_made_human
Grippy socks, grippy box
8hr ago
A lot of that isn't just Zorba being sensible and incorporating a lot of feedback, but also Reddit actively backsliding.
I usually use both TheMotte and Reddit on my phone. They banned all the custom apps, or pay walled them. I use a modded Reddit apk, but the experience is just abysmal.
netstack
Texas is freedom land
8hr ago
Have you ever seen someone advocate for sports restrictions on the grounds of preventing suicides? I don’t think I have.
Firearms are a different story. People certainly make the argument. But I suspect causation goes the other way, and they’re using the suicide statistics as a motte for policies they want anyway. Ex. Prevent Firearm Suicide.
self_made_human
Grippy socks, grippy box
8hr ago
Here's something on the feed over at /r/ChatGPT:
First thing first, we need to stop shaming and laughing at people who were using 4o as emotional support. You never know what someone is going through. When people are on their lowest, they can turn to alcohol, self harm or drugs. Some will use AI to get better and some will use therapy while others will take their lifes. (Answer yourself what's better, considering that not everyone have acces to professional help) - These people need help, not bullying. Another thing, and i need ya'll to stay with me. NOT. EVERYONE. ARE. USING. 4o. AS. EMOTIONAL. SUPPORT. Many people (including me 🙋🏻♀️) were using 4o for creative writing, and GPT5 sucks at this. Also, not everyone are using Chatgpt for coding etc. Ofc, ChatGPT should work on improving and creating new models, but it's just stupid to take away older models, especially when people were actually using them. I invite you to the discussion 👀
Ahhhh. The emphasis added was mine. GPT-4o is so bad at creative writing. It's a travesty. This person needs to be admitted to a hospital and have their brain dissected.
Similarly, people are clearly giving gpt5 custom instructions to be as robotic as possible and then posting screenshots of it... being robotic.
Hell, given that one of the default options for the personality is "Robot"..
I miss o3. It was autistic, but in an endearing way. It was amusing to see it scurry about likely the world's busiest beaver. If you asked it what's 1+1, it would attempt to derive Peano arithmetic. It had a personality very distinct from any other other model.
I also miss 4.1, even though it was a model optimized for coding, it did really solid on my own vibe benchmarks when it comes to writing fiction.
Crowstep
8hr ago
I checked the subreddit when I heard about GPT-5 coming out, I was similarly surprised out how outraged everyone was. I get that people get used to a certain way of doing things. Every UI change will get complaints, but AI is advancing so rapidly that I figured that impulse would be trumped by the sheer improvements.
Having used it, I've found it much better than GPT-4, although I'm not a power user so I couldn't say why. The answers require less refining, it isn't hallucinating weblinks like it was before. Overall just much more pleasant and effective to use. I've even started (secretly) using it at work.
Goodguy
8hr ago
Sure, many people start there and then get disabused of their original innocent notions. I know that well. I went through some of that journey myself. My point is that, once you've reached the point where you've absorbed the lessons that a more analytic and cynical perspective has to teach, it's good to go to something more innocent and joyful, to a perspective that respects the cynical lessons but is not hollowed out and made joyless by them. I think it is possible to be a romantic without being a clueless simp. The red pill cannot be the final stage, at least not for me. It is just so utterly boring and unappealing to look at romance and sex from that perspective. When I read most red pill authors I get the sense that they're not even enjoying the sex that they are having, it is just an ego boost for them.
If a man is not succeeding sexually because he has not absorbed enough red pill lessons then by all means, he should absorb those lessons. But if he gets stuck at that stage, it's hard for me to imagine him being actually happy with his sex life. The red pill people don't seem happy or sexually fulfilled no matter how much sex they're having, they seem constantly angry and they seem like they hate the women they are fucking.
I am absolutely not advocating that guys stay stuck in some kind of simpish innocent outlook. I went through the whole PUA thing myself, that's part of why I'm writing all this. My point is just that there is something more out there. I'm not saying that one shouldn't "spin plates". What I'm talking about is separate from the question of whether one should be with one woman or many. My point is that even if you "spin plates", it's pointless unless you learn how to deeply enjoy it and be happy with it. If it's just a chore to get ego boosts, it's rather valueless.
teleoplexy
8hr ago
Admins constricting the Overton window are one thing, but the real value here is that you can speak without being shoved into a box by the other commenters the moment you open your mouth:
- Question the consensus on trans issues? You’re a cuckservative bigot, maybe even a Russian shill.
- Criticize Hamas or Palestine? Hasbara.
- Say a conservative policy is good? You must want to kill all liberals.
I’m exaggerating, but only slightly. If there’s another space where people don’t instantly go for your throat the moment they spot "outgroup", I’d love to know. The Motte lets me post long comments that people actually read and respond to. Here, charity is the norm. On Reddit, it’s a punishable offense from all sides. Twitter is just a cesspool. Substack is dividing the community even more.
JarJarJedi
8hr ago
Doesn't stink?
sodiummuffin
8hr ago
I am very skeptical about profit motive in trans medicine being a notable cause of the rise, rather than both being a result of a social movement that involved true-believers creating or taking over trans medical institutions. As a matter of chronology I'm pretty sure the movement came first, I remember the ancestor of the present trans movement (and SJW stuff more generally) already existing back when a common complaint was that medical gatekeepers would require prospective (adult) trans people to live as the opposite gender for a year before prescribing them hormones. That wasn't a policy designed to maximize the number of trans people, and I believe it fell to the trans movement not them suddenly realizing it was reducing profits.
The rise of "non-binary gender identity", for instance, doesn't seem like something that would have happened if it was mostly driven by medical profit motive. Yes it is sometimes medicalized - a few days ago The New Yorker had a puff piece about a mother and her "non-binary"/"demi-girl" daughter who went on testosterone at 11 and got "top surgery" at 13 - but it seems much less common than with conventional binary trans identification. The trans movement has similar patterns to all sorts of SJW stuff with no profit motive. Nobody is going to doctor due to identifying as "demisexual", and indeed people who identify as "asexual/grey-asexual" are presumably less likely to seek treatment than those who identify as having "hypoactive sexual desire disorder".
WhiningCoil
Ghost of Quokka's Future
8hr ago
However, the analytic perspective by itself is joyless and one-dimensional. If taken too far, it reduces romance and sex to a real-life equivalent of grinding a video game. Joy re-enters the equation if one sees the other person as someone who transcends yourself and your image of them and predictions about them. The jaded perspective thinks "oh boy, here's yet another woman who is just like all the other women". And while there is a grain of truth in "all women are like that" (or "all men are like that"), it is not actually true. All women are not the same. All men are not the same. And to over-analyze them, to treat romance and sexuality like attempting to optimize a game strategy, turns the whole thing into a meaningless chore.
You have it exactly backwards. Everyone starts here. Well, I donno, maybe I shouldn't say that. Maybe kids these days really are growing up on a steady diet of Andrew Tate and Pearly Things instead of romantic heroes in fiction. Maybe I'll circle back to this.
But back when I was a young man, this was our default stance of myself and the peers I knew. Overwhelmingly myself and my male peers viewed and treated the women we tried to date as a person who transcends ourself and our image and predictions about them.
And overwhelmingly we were disabused of those notions. "All women are like that" doesn't spring out of the void. It springs for many from spending their entire 20's experiencing women like that. Some of my peers made the adjustments and adopted what "red pill" truths and strategies they could stomach, others were too disillusioned at the amorality of dating to continue.
Crowstep
8hr ago
Roman pagans were ultimately outcompeted by more fertile Christians. Christianity was so memetically powerful that a middle eastern mystery religion whose founder was executed like a slave went on to become the world's main faith. Islam, arguably a spin-off from Christianity, is the second most popular.
I don't know much about Confucianism or Ancient Greece, but their religious foundations evidently weren't strong enough to last. If you're looking for a religion to hold society together, then it actually needs to survive.
Goodguy
8hr ago
Maybe your and @faceh's sentiments are more motivated by jealousy than you consciously realize? I don't know, maybe you guys really do care deeply about the health of society and about protecting women from being emotionally damaged by Lotharios. But in my personal experience, whenever I had such intense negative feelings about Lotharios (one of you suggested castrating them - which, even as a joke, is pretty intense...), it was actually motivated 100% by jealousy.
hydroacetylene
8hr ago
And they don’t consider ‘there will be fewer abortions’ a reason for pushing IUD’s the way they did in the 90s. Fewer babies yes, but not the ‘rare’ part of abortion.
Crowstep
8hr ago
How do you know you’re not mistaking correlation for causation, or even getting the causation reversed?
Studies have looked into that, and there does seem to be a causative effect, even among identical twins raised together. The Japanese are certainly prosocial, but they are also lonely, atomised and have infamously low fertility. Probably if they were as religious as Americans they'd have more friends and more babies.
Why is “having a lot of kids” the most important thing a religion can inspire its adherents to do
The OP was asking why religion is important for a society. Any society with below replacement fertility will eventually be outcompeted by ones with above-replacement fertility. A TFR above 2 the bare minimum for a society to survive, let alone thrive, long term.
Islamic societies were the most advanced in the world for centuries
Were. The Islamic Golden Age was almost a thousand years ago. Now there are five times as many books translated into Modern Greek (13 million speakers) than into Arabic (400 million speakers). We can speculate why the Islamic world declined so precipitously. My theory is that Islam brought with it cousin marriage, which in turn brought clannishness and (relative) mental retardation. But in any case, arguing that society would be better if we all embraced Islam because it would lead to more learning and knowledge seems fanciful.
fmac
Ask me about bike lanes
8hr ago
It's basically replaced google for me.
I use it for boilerplate business writing, as it's both faster and slightly better at it than I am (I just started a new career so it's very useful).
It writes me code/excel formulas, it's insane at writing formulas.
I find chatting to an AI just to chat is insane, weird, and mildly off-putting. However, I actually think it's a decent tool for self-therapy, if used well.
It's great as essentially an interactive CBT workbook. "I'm feeling anxious about X,Y,Z what should I do?"
It gives pretty trite advice (go for a walk, do a breathing exercise, etc) but when you're dysregulated it's soooooo much easier to follow instructions than it is to self-motivate and bootstrap your way out.
I've also tried to infodump my neuroses to see if it had any root cause/triage advice, which it was about as effective as a therapist, which is to say it took some slightly emotionally resonant stabs in the dark but it's all so squishy it's basically impossible to say or verify. The "why am I like this" is a mediocre question, "I'm like this, what next" is a much better one.
self_made_human
Grippy socks, grippy box
8hr ago
This is an isolated demand for rigor. Even the KYC protocols for banks don't have a 100% success rate at stopping identity fraud or impersonation. Out of N Pegasos clients, it hardly strikes me as worthy of damnation that one of them went to such lengths to throw them off. What if she'd hired an actor to come along with her? What if she brought forged legal documents? How easy is that to check from Switzerland?
hydroacetylene
8hr ago
I mean, most historical law codes proscribed seduction of a virgin as a crime that could be made up for by marrying the girl as if she was a virgin.
Just wanted to say that this is extremely shitty and I'm sorry you are going through that. If you have a friend who is also having a hard time with girls and he gets with a girl you liked that sucks, but you can at least be happy for him. Having that girl instead get used by a guy who is already having an order of magnitude more success than you is just shit all around and makes you lose all respect for both of them. Hang in there.
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