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ResoluteRaven
8m ago
I could find similar quotes online by white nationalists planning their own long march through the institutions. That doesn't mean I should assume any policy proposal such people might agree with is being directed by them and must be fought tooth and nail to keep us off a slippery slope towards racial separatism. Playing culture war whack-a-mole makes you look crazy to outsiders and weakens one's position, whether you are a wokescold arguing about Halloween costumes or a conservative grandstanding on behalf of steak and bacon.
fishtwanger
11m ago
Don't worry, I know the nutters are real. It's just that I'm going to have to try hard to not get carried away with this cool new explanation that you provided. :-)
Emptybee
13m ago
It's annoying that the usual suspects will use this to push their "men are evil!" agenda but aside from that I don't see this anything to be concerned about. There's a well-known political maxim that everyone hates Congress yet, paradoxically, most people like their congressperson. I think the same phenomena is in play here. Most of those women saying "bear" doubtless have several men in their lives who they'd much prefer to a bear. They probably also think other women would be darn lucky to have one of their men in such a situation. That their men are just random strangers to those other women never occurs to them.
SSCReader
23m ago
Then you are incorrect. If I didn't commit to veganism when my wife wanted me too, then I am not going to because other people do. I have no qualms about eating cats or dogs either.
Fads come and go.
Because if things worked the way you think they do them presumably YOU and everyone else should currently support lab grown meat because it is currently not legislated against?
Its just not how things work.
2rafa
37m ago
Yes, many more people learnt to sing in school, and choirs were also more popular. With training most people’s voices can be made pleasant at singing, especially with conservative vocal range.
MathWizard
formerly hh26
48m ago
It is material in-so-far as it modifies their branding/camouflage, tactics, targets, methodology.
It's not "just" corruption. A cop explicitly asking for bribes in America is going to get fired and prosecuted instantly. There are a lot of things cops can and do get away with, but explicit bribery is not usually on the list, with rare exceptions. But if they camouflage it, it's more possible and likely. Call it "asset forfeiture", make excuses for why it doesn't count as theft, and then target poor people with drugs that don't evoke sympathy from the public. It's still a form of corruption, but it's a very different form of corruption than the DMV official demanding an extra $100 to expedite your paperwork or it will get lost for 6 months, or a police officer pulling you over and threatening to write you a ticket for made-up charge unless you slip them $50. Just using the word "corruption" doesn't tell you the difference, or orders of magnitude, about what to expect to have to pay and how to avoid it.
Similarly, woke progressives are not going to pull over your car and extort $50 from you, nor will they arrest someone with marijuana and snatch all their money. They worm their way into industries and beurocracies and government agencies, then hire friends and family and like-minded people who look and act and speak like them, fire people who don't, and divert funds away from productive uses and towards spreading more woke-ism and getting cushy jobs for themselves and their friends. And they use nice-sounding ideals as a cudgel to choose who to attack and who to let go. I agree that this is a form of corruption, but it's a very different form of corruption than most other forms. And it's very very very good at masking the corrupt parts of itself and pretending to be good, and thus skates by unnoticed and in fact praised by so many people.
Calling it "corruption" is not wrong, but there's so much nuance it misses.
Quantumfreakonomics
56m ago
By definition, one party in a lawsuit is always wrong, so imposing sanctions or liability on being wrong is a dangerous game.
Lawyers can get sanctioned for filing frivolous lawsuits, but that's a higher standard than filing meritless lawsuits.
MaiqTheTrue
Zensunni Wanderer
1hr ago
I don’t think it does. You can actually grow your own food. And you can make black bean burgers and so on or cook with chickpeas or something.
No_one
1hr ago
Well, industrial scale makes it vastly more efficient. That's the perverse thing.
Some ag scientist once got fired, or into hot water for saying "cows eat grass" because.. it's no longer entirely true. A lot of them are fed other stuff, and they don't take too well to it.
Pasturing them on grass which is the human way requires either engineering better grass or would increase cost by a fair bit. Americans could afford it, eastern Europe or such places, half of the people who eat beef couldn't eat it anymore.
MaiqTheTrue
Zensunni Wanderer
1hr ago
It’s also a lot harder to make it common if you’re not willing to start small. I think the flexitarians will move the needle toward reduced demand for meat simply by forming the habit of eating less meat. And as more people are choosing to eat meat less and trying out vegetarian and vegan recipes and asking for those options in restaurants, then it’s going to be much more mainstream. And in fact I see it happening n grocery stores alongside keto and gluten free. People trying it out and doing it every once in a while was more than enough to put enough options in grocery stores that even in Missouri, I could easily get the kinds of foods that I want in any one of those diets. As time goes on, I expect that even more people will be willing to try black bean burgers or fake meat nuggets and never look back.
What if we more than suspect that you will side with the vegans anyway, the second veganism becomes the new leftist party line rather than the "admirable radical fringe" it is today?
In that case the way to control your opinion is by shaping the law so that you never adopt that position as the "safe, default leftist option."
The person I quoted drew the comparison to liberals suddenly going all-in on transsexuals the second it became the safe "in" thing to do. I'm not making it up: I agree with her that's how you decide what to believe in.
SSCReader
1hr ago
The problem there of course is that Vegan groups don't speak for or represent the opinion of most people, probably even for most people who might think developing lab grown meat might be somewhat useful, but still are fine with also eating animals.
So you pre-emptively create a division that might not ever have been a problem. Now if I do think lab meat could be useful, you are driving me to have to side with the vegans, in order to oppose your ban! When my opinion is probably just sure, let's try it out, might be handy for feeding people and if it turns out to be cheaper then that's a good thing, but I am still gonna enjoy my regular ole cow-burger.
It's only a good tactic if the radical side really is strong enough to co-opt the moderates, and my experience is at least for veganism that is just not gonna fly. Otherwise you are actually spurring a coalition to form, that may have remained fractured.
MaiqTheTrue
Zensunni Wanderer
1hr ago
I agree, but I think it’s a lot of the media and social media have take over so much mind-space that it’s driving an obsession with events that most people left to themselves would not care about while causing people to neglect the boring and important stuff they should care about.
Gaza is a case in point to me. The country is the size of Vermont, it has some oil, but its strategic importance is much lower than other oil exporters in the region. For most people, unless they practice Judaism or Islam, it’s no more or less impactful than any other conflict going on right now. If this war happened in 1984 when the news was on for an hour a night, nobody would care outside of Zionist Jews and Muslims. The White House would be doing what it is now— trying to negotiate an end to the fighting while giving bombs to Israel and food to Gaza. As it stands, the world is watching because the world is watched everything all the time.
I always find this instructive stuff when it comes to the outrages of the day. Most of it, when viewed from the point of view of long distance or time frames not only don’t actually matter that much, or matter much much less than the attention paid to them. Most actually resolve themselves without anyone doing anything. Mark that it happens but in a week or a month, it will likely resolve itself.
netstack
Texas is freedom land
1hr ago
Modern new left liberalism is a very radical ideology that doesn't get sufficient negativity for it.
No it isn’t. The world bank, WHO, rules-based-international-order of neoliberalism? That’s about as nonradical as you can get. Aggressively not radical. It files the sharp edges off the communists and the reactionaries in order to keep things running a little more smoothly.
A South Africa that didn't allow parties like ANC and those more extreme, and such politicians found themselves in prison, and parties and organizations with such agenda banned
How do you think that’s enforced? How do you make sure the right people get suppressed? For every apartheid SA there’s a lovely Cambodia or North Korea or Rwanda descending into bloodshed. The best situation we’ve found, empirically speaking, is to weaponize tolerance. That’s liberalism.
hydroacetylene
1hr ago
It doesn’t have to be net positive. Getting the haredim to pay full freight and become Mormons is probably not doable; being able to take them from economically nonproductive to borderline productive is a much smaller and more achievable goal.
hydroacetylene
1hr ago
Was Shia even Jewish? I know he had some Jewish ancestry but thought he didn’t have much to do with it.
Tollund_Man4
1hr ago
There's a few minutes between the bus pulling up and the doors opening, enough time to argue with an old woman is less abstract terms than I have phrased it above.
netstack
Texas is freedom land
2hr ago
Yeah, it’s just word salad.
I’m a sucker for that kind of humor.
pusher_robot
PLEASE GO STAND BY THE STAIRS
2hr ago
Sure, but by the same logic the current ban is no big deal either, because if lab meat turns out to be highly demanded, the law will probably be repealed anyways.
Borzivoj
2hr ago
I feel like I only ever see the following messaging these days
This is probably milieu-dependent. The denouncing Israel thing is something I only ever hear of at second hand, typically in media articles that (IMO) massively overstate the risk to American Jews. This is a rare occasion where I agree with Hanania:
What’s notable to me is the combination of a complete lack of violence along with the hysterical accusations of such and hyperbole going back and forth between the two sides. Everyone deep down knows that no one is going to get hurt, not by the police and not by the protestors, but that it is to their advantage to pretend as if this isn’t the case.
This is in a well-to-do professional environment (without many Jews to account for the pattern thanks to being in a nondescript Midwestern city). I was aware of the existence of pro-ethnic cleansing arguments among online ethnonationalist types, but I’d never encountered it in meatspace before last October, let alone from non-Jewish (!) normies.
Conversely, my Brother, who has similar object-level views on Israel-Palestine but works in Brussels, has had to explain that massacring Israeli civilians is bad, actually, regardless of what you think about the overall conflict.
SteveKirkland
2hr ago
It's been shocking how bad the Israeli propaganda ops are, like there's now a complete disconnect between Israel and American jewry.
But on the other hand we can see signs of immense power still in the hands of older US Jews in media. Papers like the NYT have been relatively unbiased despite their junior staff wanting to turn it into the Hamas Daily. There's a moderating energy that was completely missing during the hysteria of 2020, and I think it's safe to ascribe it to Jewish senior staff putting their feet down.
Lewis2
2hr ago
I’ve had bear meat on several occasions, and while it is good, I don’t think it’s that much better than venison, squirrel, or beef. It’s also not exotic enough. Mammoth, whale, and giant tortoise meat all seem like winners though.
No_one
2hr ago
You should try to elaborate on making it a bit more clear.
Yes, protesters are important for democracy, for if they didn't protest, what excuse for political action would there be ?
the Golem is running amok on college campuses but is flexing as much political power as ever
Are you suggesting these protesters were funded, all along, by the same people who are now using the protests as an excuse to pass anti-semitism legislation ? (that, if it passes, is probably going to be struck down as unconstitutional, pretty soon )
How fast do you want someone on board? Do you care about the stack or do you just need someone great at a couple?
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