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I saw on Twitter someone comment that the idea that the company that owns Marvel, Star Wars, and Indiana Jones would need to look for a new IP to help draw in young male audiences in their teens & 20s is pretty hilarious and absurd. You could probably have put any random 8th grade boy in charge of any one of these franchises back when Disney acquired them and turned them into at least good draws for that crowd, if not great. Yet the actual executives in charge appear to have less competence than that (or, perhaps, different incentives than making the best product or most money).
Makes me think there could be a modern remake of Big where he becomes a studio exec instead of a toy store VP and greenlights hits over the adult execs. Would have to be a longer timeframe and also, I'm guessing Big probably won't get a remake anytime soon given the implied statutory rape.
I think they absolutely have these incentives and are just out of touch idiots like most of the """elite""" class in the West at this point in history.
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You know it's fascinating. If the movies were actively actually bad (like worst Transformers movie bad) and you ran that for 20 years it would still be easier to recover from than what we got.
It's worse than bad.
Truly one of the most epic bag fumbles of all time.
Anecdotally - I was a kid who grew up a Star Wars nerd and it was a big part of my identity, establishing my interests, and so on. I spent a ton of money on it when I didn't have a lot of money to spend.
Now I'll never spend another cent not just because its bad right now (it is), not just because it hates me for demographic reasons (it does), but because it's associated in my mind with all the extremities and terrors of shitty social justice and all that did. I've seen too much fucked up stuff, lost friends, etc and Disney dropped their flag on that behavior.
Lots of people are never coming back and they didn't really connect anyone new.
They would have to do something really extreme, like declaring all the Disney content non-canon and hiring George Lucas to oversee a new sequel trilogy (while not directing). I'm honestly not sure even Andor should be part of the canon despite how good it is. Even Lego star wars is more tonally consistent with the overall property than Andor is.
I'm not saying Lucas is some kind of genius but there needs to be a clean break and delineation between Disney star wars and the property going forward, things are that broken. Alternatively the quality of the content needs to be close to Andor level but that is obviously unrealistic and if you could guarantee that you wouldn't need to buy IPs in the first place.
If they flip to the Legends canon and make a Yuuzhan Vong trilogy I would return to the franchise.
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Disney lost a bunch of parents pushing gay shit too. Like toddler movies that aren't good is recoverable from- they're toddler movies, after all- and probably doesn't even make a difference. But the people writing their preteen sitcoms being in charge of pixar wasn't the thing that pissed people off. It was GayBC agenda pushing.
Yeah, idk when the realization hit exactly, but the day was odd when it occurred to me that we would no longer be allowing Disney anything in our home. At least nothing made after the year 2000, with the occasional ad hoc exception.
I can't think of parents who have a consistent hard ban on disney, unless it's a generic no screens policy. But I also can't think of parents who allow the new stuff from them. Granted, filter bubble effects- but my filter bubble is probably at least as biased towards including parents vs genpop as it is to being conservative vs genpop.
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Yes, it's this exactly. I used to dream about the prequel and sequel trilogies coming out. Had one where I found the sequels in the store and was gobsmacked that they'd made it to home video without me hearing about their release, etc.
Then the prequels came out and I was fairly disappointed but fundamentally tolerant. Then the sequels came out and, well, I still haven't seen the last one, and should be surprised if I ever do.
Rogue One scratched the itch though.
That last one was shockingly bad. Confusing how they could make such a thing. I almost recommend watching it just to feel baffled at every turn. It is a unique movie experience in that sense.
They made the new movies on a crazy timeline. A new movie of the trilogy every two years.
The first final drafts of scripts where due before there was a final cut of the previous movie.
Obviously doing something like that requires careful planning. Naturally they did no planning.
The first movie copied all of the beats of ANH. The second movie is supposed to set up the final conflict of the third movie.
Then Rian Johnson came in for the second and did his own thing. He either ignored or was possibly never aware of some of the things the first movie set up. He killed off The Big Bad / Chessmaster (Snoke) and promoted the Dragon (Kylo Ren) to be the new Big Bad.
Some people liked how it subverted their expectations, but it subverted the arc of the series.
For the third movie they had no villain with a grand plan, no idea where character's stories were supposed to go, and Bob Iger wouldn't budge on the timeline. It had to be out xmas 2019.
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The first one was a pure reshoot of ANH. The second misconstrued “subverting expectations” with writing a movie. The final one was writing by a precursor of AI.
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I feel so seen haha. I also refused to watch the last one. Can't even remember its name if I'm being honest. Total fundamental drop off of interest.
You know I also thought Rogue One scratched the itch - interesting. Lots of the more traditional non-woke critics hated it.
Andor was actively incredible though (although I have yet to see the second season, just timing issues).
I was disappointed at The Force Awakens, and dropped the franchise after The Last Jedi. My first instinct is still to call Episode 9 "From His Nap".
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Haven't looked into it at all. I know redditors who enjoy it immensely so I assumed it was pretty soy.
It's kino. Best show in years. Never mind best starwars show.
Take it from an old expanded universe grognard.
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I can only speak to the first season as I mentioned, but it's one of the best seasons of television of the last ten years. Full stop.
Now admittedly it's not to everyone's taste, it's a slow and deliberate Cold War spy thriller living in the most Star Wars feeling Star Wars since the original trilogy.
If you are the kind of person who liked Better Call Saul as much or more than Breaking Bad you are 100% going to love it, but I don't fault people for needing a faster pace etc.
Put another way it reminds me of Winter Soldier which duct taped an excellent non Marvel script to Marvel IP and kept the advantages of both.
It does have some woke elements but they are chiefly background casting stuff that isn't too annoying when it's drowned in quality. It is also explicitly anti-fascist and anti-authoritarian but not in the childish modern politics way so it shouldn't chafe too much.
It's much less Wolfenstein haha kill the nazis and much more Das Leben der Anderen this is the reality of these systems. Sure the woke end up liking it but that's by accident.
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There was a preteen movie when I was a kid- something like Big Liar- that my parents liked too(so I didn't just like it because I was a kid at the time) which was about an eighth grade boy who loses his creative writing assignment that by hilarious and unlikely coincidence is picked up by a hollywood director who proceeds to adapt it into a screenplay, and he engages in zany schemes and pranking with his plucky girl best friend to get credit for it. Very 2000's. But the concept that 'golly, these hollywood executives could have a random preteen come up with better movies than they do' isn't new.
Big Fat Liar (2002). Surprisingly good for a kid's film; the "Hungry Like the Wolf" pool scene is very memorable, as is the "I Wish" warehouse montage, and, of course, the "Right Here, Right Now" helicopter ride. And, yes, very 2000's; right up there with Shrek (2001) and Digimon: The Movie (2000).
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What I've heard of the last Indiana Jones movie is depressing. They could have handled "guy gets older, his adventuring days are naturally now behind him, he can retire to that long-delayed happy domestic life and honored retirement with the respect of his colleagues and students after one last hurrah handing over the reins to the new hero/ine" but no, they had to ruin Indy for the cheap jokes.
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