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hydroacetylene
13m ago
Well yeah, you see how they're wrong, though?
Soteriologian
22m ago
Richard Hanania, author of The Origins of Woke, suggests that these sorts of group chats are actually really common among the right wingers he interacted with. In fact his response to this seems to indicate agreement this chat is tame compared to many conversations he has seen.
It is. In a darknet chat, I once saw someone say
Dean
Flairless
25m ago
Damn. I really screwed the shark.
I dare you to share your favorite search result for 'Shark Waifu'.
netstack
Texas is freedom land
36m ago
Begging the question does not violate our rule on consensus-building.
Users are allowed to make controversial assumptions! Then they’re liable to get grilled on those assumptions, as is the case here.
hydroacetylene
41m ago
Phil Scott is, quite literally, a liberal republican. That doesn't mean he has nothing to say, it just means that using him as an example of how not all conservatives get the joke is... questionable.
I would assume that Stefanik's statement was written by a PR team, like those of state republican chapters.
hydroacetylene
49m ago
I have heard stories from Germans on pilgrimage...
hydroacetylene
51m ago
It doesn't take hacking to get democrats(more important than these guys) proudly swearing allegiance to incredibly off-putting things. The dems are very proudly on the losing side of a lot of 80-20 issues so you just have to dig through their speeches until they say things like 'parents shouldn't have a say in their kids' education' and 'illegal immigrants should get transgender surgeries at taxpayer expense' and 'babies who were born alive after a failed abortion should be kept comfortable until they die'.
Pongalh
1hr ago
Right. Curb Your Enthusiasm has toyed with Hitler. (But then maybe until like a week after Oct 7th it was being safely done from a solidly NYC Jewish place of "we can do this"?)
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1hr ago
I don’t think I know anyone who’d be more upset about a Hitler joke than a straight-armed salute.
A straight-armed salute probably usually is a Hitler joke.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1hr ago
So these people believe that sex is gay? They ACTUALLY have a goal of creating the greatest physiological torture methods known to man? They think the Kansas Young Republicans support slavery?
No, this whole "You made a joke but that means you really believe it" stuff is nonsense. Maybe you really believe it, but sometimes a joke is just a joke.
Rosencrantz2
1hr ago
Claim (1), that these are all just jokes, seems doubtful. Many 'ironic' posters pretty clearly are using their irony for plausible deniability, and do basically believe the things they think they're being ironic about, so I guess to the assertion that these are all just jokes, I'd say 'I don't really believe you. Some of them are, some of them aren't.'
Fruck
Lacks all conviction
1hr ago
Every post of yours in this thread shows a steadfast and truly exceptional dedication to pretending to be retarded and I am genuinely impressed from a rhetorical standpoint. I know you are smart enough to understand the concept of a joke and the concept of irony, which makes your constant and wilful refusal to ever engage with what these people said in context impressive imo. I think it sucks from every other standpoint though.
ThenElection
1hr ago
The world is simple: we are the good guys and they are the bad guys. The existence of bad guys isn't fundamentally bad; indeed, it's what justifies the program of the good guys.
But to joke about the dichotomy undermines it, and that's very dangerous indeed.
netstack
Texas is freedom land
1hr ago
Citation needed?
I don’t think I know anyone who’d be more upset about a Hitler joke than a straight-armed salute.
Nor do I know what you’re talking about for Palestine. 2 million?
TitaniumButterfly
1hr ago
Precisely what a p-zombie would say...
Lewis2
2hr ago
Whether they achieve much, I don’t know. I do know that in my industry, the “young” group also has a cutoff age of 40. I wonder if that is perhaps somewhat common in well-established organizations and clubs.
PutAHelmetOn
Recovering Quokka
2hr ago
- The question is wrong -- I don't think these texts indicate any of those things. For example: "support of slavery." What is going on here is the left treats race and slavery as sacred topics, which means no joking. Rejecting this taboo does not mean someone supports slavery. It could just mean they think HR ladies are cringe. Also it could mean they are a young boy.
- Personally, I like Vance's response. I think these texts are a nothingburger. I would prefer if all our powerful politicians made racist jokes behind closed doors, which indicates loyalty to my tribe (Reminder to those who cannot read: the tribe in question does not support slavery). Although I didn't answer yes to (1), I'll talk about concerned Republicans: certain portions of the Republican party may still be concerned. Upon contact with young male voters, these politicians might consider switching the letter next to their name. These things happen from time to time.
- No. The "hiding ones power level" phenomenon is not related to extremism. As I explained earlier, telling racist jokes is a shibboleth and tribal signal. Another example of ingroup-jargon is "trans women are women." Whether that slogan is "extremism" probably depends on if it's post-2020, or closer to 2015. Hiding ones power level is just code-switching so you don't scare the
hoesnormies. Since what is normal changes over time, you find that some signals and slogans will enter the mainstream and it is no longer necessary to code-switch. What we are witnessing is Vance's attempt to shift the Overton window (or perhaps evidence that it has already shifted). Violence has nothing to do with this, at all. - The answers to this could vary because everyone is a little different. But i would say it's safe to assume it goes like this: the Democratic party is hostile to white men and the GOP is not. A particular white man who is not married to the Democratic party (on account of: economic resentment, sexual deviancy, class anxiety etc.) inevitably can only feel at home in the GOP. A self-identified Nazi could believe he has support just because of typical-minding.
dasfoo
2hr ago
TBF, many very sincere progressives find joking about Hitler even worse than sincerely praising him, because what kind of moral monster jokes about the worst person ever? (Meanwhile, Free Palestine, and its 2 million unironic Hitler admirers.)
TowardsPanna
2hr ago
You identified the danger, and the things to (not) do to reduce the danger, and carried out the plan with discipline and got the results you wanted. You can be proud of this. Great work. :)
dasfoo
2hr ago
Is there really not a single right-wing hacker competent enough to find whatever horrifying racist nonsense Democrat-associated activists say in their group chats? I get the feeling it's a lot less irony-infected than this kind of thing.
You would think any Democrat group with a modicum of foresight immediately deleted their chat histories the moment this story broke.
ActuallyATleilaxuGhola
Axolotl Tank Class of '24
2hr ago
Or you could just work to remove the stigma against making obscene jokes in private chats. Vance's comment works toward this goal. The left has already done this for their people, there's no reason for the right to keep punishing their own.
Ever is a long time. Probably the single largest cohort of people here are disaffected liberals who would have been pretty seriously offended by those group chats 15-20 years ago, I certainly would have been.
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